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Post by VAT on Jul 21, 2019 13:45:02 GMT
One thing that bothers me though, is the "B plot" with Arthur: I'm sure I may be missing something here, but are we to understand that Harry just sold off a council flat, whether he'd been staying there or not, before a new tenant was about to enter? Because I would have to assume that lady was brand new, since she didn't even bat an eyelid at the change in decor, simply inquiring about Arthur himself instead. So not like she'd been on her holidays all this time, despite having a bag or two in tow. Lucky timing for Harry, that she didn't arrive earlier on the scene..which in any case, I assume Harry himself is doing a runner now, since surely he must assume Arthur would sic Terry upon him now, for this diabolical liberty taken where it hurts him the most? Interesting point denzel...must admit I always assumed (for some reason) she was Harry's wife and he was doing a runner and wanted some cash...hadn't occurred to me he might be flogging someones else's flat (he had clearly been staying there though, if only briefly)
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Post by VAT on Jul 9, 2019 19:26:28 GMT
Sad indeed. I met him a few times, last time on my mates Stag Do at Newbury Races...he was great fun, when I said it was my friends stag day he said.."who'd want to marry him!" We had loads of banter with him that day, great fun...RIP
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Post by VAT on Jul 9, 2019 18:37:54 GMT
Great episode but I could not of seen Terry lowering himself to make up the playing card sets! Terry always gets annoyed at mundane jobs -such as the goldfish or gardening with the criminals. Or screwing on number plates (In) or sticking on whiskey labels (Citizen)
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Post by VAT on Jul 7, 2019 13:12:06 GMT
ITV have missed this one out as well. Probably due to the strip club scenes? Shame...another ep probably lost forever to main stream TV (along with Whose Wife....)
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Post by VAT on Jul 6, 2019 18:36:19 GMT
For some reason ITV4 have missed this episode out. Probably too un-PC for today...sadly this ep will never be shown again on main stream TV...as it happens just seen this one today, Umbrella version, no cuts...its a tour-de-force of an episode with Arthur & Terry on top form...
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Post by VAT on Jun 30, 2019 14:32:31 GMT
Great episode for me this one. Great characters, great lines.
I made this little clip a few years ago now and its got over 100,00 views on Utbube
Its just such a great opening scene...and I just love Arthurs line: "I said to Her Indoors only this morning...I said....no my dear you cant have it...Mr Rushmore is a gentleman and he deserves a gentleman"s conveyance..."
Fantastic.
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Post by VAT on Jun 21, 2019 18:13:43 GMT
Thanks for that VAT. I vaguely remember seeing the discussion on the old forum. The Lloyd George explanation came from an old boy in the pub who you'd have money on having form in the dim and distant!! Lloyd seemed to make sense given the more localised slang used in Minder but as you rightly point out (cellu)Loid would seem to be logical answer given the script. Well you learn something new every day - cheers! Seems you were not too far off with Harold Lloyd, although the cockney slang is apparently Harold Lloyd = "celluloid"" I came across this on Wordorigins.com where someone had actually asked about the use of "Loid" in Minder: I was watching an old episode of (the original) ‘Minder’ last night (1970s/80s UK TV show). In it Arthur Daley objected to one of the others making all the mess of crowbarring a lock open and asked if he couldn’t ‘lloyd it’. As Terry then pointed out that you couldn’t do that to a mortice lock I wondered if Arthur had meant that they should try opening the lock with a credit card (hence Lloyd from the bank name). Anyone come across this phrase ever? I realise its perfectly possible that it was made up by the screenwriter.Answers included: [Shortened f. CELLU)LOID n.]
A celluloid strip used by thieves to force open a spring lock. Also attrib. Also as v. trans., to break open (a lock) by this method; to let (oneself) in by this method. Hence loiding vbl. n.
1958 M. PROCTER Man in Ambush xvi. 202 You said you could use a loid. Let’s see you open that door. 1960 Observer 24 Jan. 5/5 Got yer stick (jemmy)? Got yer ‘loid (celluloid strip for spring locks)? 1968 ‘G. BAGBY’ Another Day vi. 107 What point..could there be in changing the cylinder..when..my visitor had managed entry by..‘a loid job?’. He had worked a strip of heavy celluloid in over the lock tongue and pushed it back. Ibid. ix. 174, I loided myself into my apartment. 1968 Observer 10 Mar. 25/4 Mortice deadlocks with five or more levers, difficult to pick and impossible to loid. Ibid. 25/5 Doors are opened by picking, loiding, or using a false key. 1968 B. TURNER Sex-Trap xiv. 134 ‘Have you got keys to all Creedy’s places?’ ‘Beatty has. I use a loid myself.’ He showed a tapered wedge of blank celluloid.
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Post by VAT on Jun 3, 2019 19:44:30 GMT
I like this ep but it has the feeling of Arthur and Terry in hard times and the start of their bickering to me...so (for me anyway) its always feels a bit depressing..hard times...but it has some great parts..."Do you believe in the good book Terrence?...do unto others..."
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Post by VAT on Mar 1, 2018 20:30:11 GMT
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Post by VAT on Nov 18, 2017 15:23:00 GMT
The scene in the hospital where Arthur first goes to visit Alex, is actually shortened compared to the script..the script has Alex asking Arthur if Terry fancies women (and Arthurs rather confused replies) and how Terry feels about group sex!
And Terry's gran was originally meant to be his mum in her mid 50s! The Director, Roy Ward Baker, changed it to his grandmother in her seventies....clearly RWB knew some Minder history by now...and already knew Terrys mum had died some while ago
I'll try and put this part of the script (missing from the broadcast ep) in The Vault..
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Post by VAT on Aug 17, 2017 20:00:32 GMT
This is my favorite Ray years episode, I love Brian Hibbard he fits the role so well he was also great in the film twin town, he also had a part in a welsh language soap and as always played the part a 100%. This episode had a lot going on with many shady characters to make for interesting viewing. I do prefer the earlier Terry episodes like I've said before, but I do like the Ray years as well there were some really good episodes. It's a shame Brian is no longer with us such a great talent I hope George and Brian are in that Winchester in the sky having a large vat all around. Yes, BH was great in this episode. Like a smaller, rougher Fonz! Just seen he was the lead singer of The Flying Pickets group
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Post by VAT on Jul 20, 2017 0:45:02 GMT
Yes got be Open University...but a strange time as when Arthur turned up it was still light I believe but OU progs went on about half past midnight...or half five in the morning
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Post by VAT on Jul 5, 2017 17:10:39 GMT
From memory (as not seen Gunfight for a while) it seemed (to me) like it was the first ep filmed (even though we know it wasn't). Reason being is Arthur's behaviour...he seems quite over energised in this one, trying his best to appear as the 'money obsessed' character he came to be known as... In the first ep filmed (Bounty) he allowed Terry to keep his dosh if I remember correctly (at the pub at the end). But in Gunfight he's all over it...even encouraging Tel's girlfriend Liz to, (how shall I put it!), - emphasise her t*ts! First and only time I heard this reference in Minder? So it seems to me he was all out in this one to define the role of Arthur Daley...,perhaps even going a little over the top...so to me at least this is why it seems as though it was filmed first, even though it wasn't!
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Post by VAT on Jul 3, 2017 20:44:35 GMT
A stand out scene for me in this ep is near the end when Arthur takes Vic out to see the pitch after the auction and says (something like) ''What do you see Vic?....Grass...''
Vic takes the hint...
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Post by VAT on May 19, 2017 18:43:53 GMT
A strange episode this one as I've often commented. Arthur and Terry seem to be at each throats a bit throughout this one...for example when Arthur blows up inside Albert's flat after Albert predicts his star sign..and goes outside and lets Terry know he's not welcome back in...but still I maintain I'm not sure what Arthur did wrong in this one....he's bunked Albert up somewhere nice and comes back to find Albert gone and Terry on the sofa more interested with his latest conquest...but its not the first time we see a bitter falling out between them though of course....Monday Night Fever for example...but, and I have no evidence of this of course, I feel there were clearly strains between GC and DW during this series, perhaps due to pressures in DWs personal life at the time, ....I personally think its evident also in Give Us This Day Arthur Daleys Bread...
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Post by VAT on May 19, 2017 16:52:26 GMT
This ep has one of my favourite Dave lines in...Outside the court, when Terry is understandably not too happy, Des says (about Arthurs character reference for him)'he did you a right turn in there' Dave quips 'gave him a right turn you mean'' (referring to the judge)
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Post by VAT on Mar 24, 2017 19:12:48 GMT
If ever I get pulled by the Old Bill for something I didn't do (hopefully) I'm going to roll out Arthur's classic line...''You come over, pluck a man from his fireside...'' Class
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Post by VAT on Feb 26, 2017 9:14:42 GMT
Loved Arthur's special price on the 3 legged chickens Or maybe that should be ONE legged chickens instead lol... With the price naturally reflecting the missing appendages...
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Post by VAT on Feb 21, 2017 17:54:00 GMT
Loved Arthur's special price on the 3 legged chickens
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Post by VAT on Feb 19, 2017 18:33:49 GMT
A great episode. Lots of good stuff in this one of course...but there is one scene/line by Arthur that really sticks in my mind (for some reason..especially when I've got a hangover...)...A+T are driving down the road and Ronnie Rakes had just finished his bender in the Winchester earlier that day and taken away in a taxi...when Terry says something like (referring to Ronnie) ''but he wont talk to you'' and Arthur says ''I know, I know, but he'll hanging in rags right now'' (or similar) indicating he'll be having a massive hangover I guess...as I say for some reason this Arthur line keeps coming back to me...great ep
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Post by VAT on Feb 19, 2017 18:18:07 GMT
After watching 'One Flew Over the Parents Nest' I then get a treat of equal measure with this gem of an episode, so much going on you couldn't blink in case you missed anything. As soon as I saw Perry Benson appear as Tiny, I knew we were in for a treat, as I think he is a great comedy actor and has a face that always cheers me up. A great script which was well thought out, as with so much going on it must have been difficult in threading it all together in a way which kept it together and also very funny. Sublime stuff! Spot on Daz...a great Ray ep for me
Smorgasbord
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Post by VAT on Jan 30, 2017 18:29:13 GMT
One of the best surely. The way Arthur carries the jury is fantastic (shades of Twelve Angry Men). GCs dialogue and its delivery in this episode is top notch in my opinion. Personally I have a few issues with the Soames sub-plot but not enough to let this great episode down in any way. Among many, many dialogue gems in this one, I always love it when Chiz meets Arthur going in to the court...''What are you doing here?? Up on one are we...'' Wonderful
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Post by VAT on Jan 30, 2017 18:10:44 GMT
Tony Hoare said that he didn't write it as a final episode but I reckon that Euston knew that it was the last one (I'm pretty sure that it was announced that the series was coming to an end whilst they were filming the 100th episode). Maybe the ending of the episode was altered at some point? Ah yes, see what you mean Swainy.....TH didn't write it to be the last. but it was filmed by the producer(s) with it being the last ep in mind. It definitely has that ''last episode'' ending to me. Although the ep itself is not the greatest I agree, in a way I like the ending...
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Post by VAT on Jan 18, 2017 20:03:15 GMT
I have a slightly different take on this one...the prolonged ending scene with the aerial shot of Arthur being carted off in the Police wagon did seem to me to signify it was the end...very unlike any other ending(?) My over-riding memory of this ep is GC still acting the others off the screen..even in the rather ludicrous way it ended in the Winch, he was Arthur to the very end.
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Post by VAT on Jan 10, 2017 19:33:13 GMT
One of my fave episodes too...all having to kip in the same room with the dodgy light always makes me laugh."hands on wallets"...the police station scenes are great, classic Arthur...but one of my favourite scenes comes right at the end...with Arthur swigging neat vodka from the bottle
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Post by VAT on Dec 14, 2016 18:25:21 GMT
Yes, another good episode, and Terry looks at home in this one in particular...a very good DW ep I think....love the little hand gesture Arthur gives Terry in the Gym when ''OldSoldier'' his trainer,starts to go on about Len Harvey
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Post by VAT on Dec 14, 2016 18:16:27 GMT
Great episode this of course, just so much that's good. But it has one of my favourite Arthur quips in this one...when in the car early morning in the field and Arthur needs a leak...he gets caught sneaking out and covers up by going on about ''You think Im going to do a Captain Oates?...'' Quality
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Post by VAT on Nov 28, 2016 20:27:18 GMT
I really like this one and even though I love Minder the scrapyard punchup always comes across as slightly implausible i.e. how Rycott, Arthur & Harry are able to assist in the overcoming of the scrapyard team. Terry clearly wasn't up to it earlier on but suddenly when Rycott shows up the focus switches to Terry settling a score. However, I still think Rycott & Co are outnumbered in terms of actual muscle. What would have been far more plausible here is for Rycott to call up reinforcements, for Rycott to have received a semi-kicking only for the boys in blue to step in and outnumber the bad guys. It's a great episode but this last part always leaves me doubtful of how this could really work - Arthur is pretty useless fisticuffs-wise, Harry is established as a two-faced crook and we only really have Rycott, his pal and an injured Terry left. Then consider who's on the opposing side. I just don't think they would've 'come quietly' in the car based on the amount of muscle on offer. Yes, they do seem a bit outnumbered when they raid the scrap yard...especially relying on Arthur as a wingman
But is this the ep where Rycott says something like "I'm not having the woodentops grabbing all the glory on this"' ?
If so, may explain why he went in a bit light...
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Post by VAT on Nov 19, 2016 14:17:33 GMT
This episode is worth watching just for the scene with Arthur and the "ghost". Mr. Cole surpassed himself in that one scene. 50 seconds of genius!
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Post by VAT on Oct 11, 2016 15:01:08 GMT
Its on the Freemantle Complete Collection DVD set. All the eps are on this, including Orient Express, Christmas episode etc. All but the anti-drugs ep.
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