3.8 The Son Also Rises

[jno]

Link to episode on minder.org: www.minder.org/episodeguide/S03E08_TheSonAlsoRises.htm



I like this one as Terry is minding a grown up school kid for Arthur's friend Muriel Standen. One memorable scene is Arthur pretending to be an accountant at the end and of course his underhanded techniques to get Terry OFF the job when he thinks he is likely to suffer a kicking. The way Terry taunts Arthur after he's discovered how devious Arthur can be is great in this one.

I noticed on an ITV4 repeat of this one that the whole scenes in the office with Christopher Ellison (Burnside in The Bill) had been completely cut.

[barrythebook]

I like this episode a lot and there a couple of stand out scenes for me.

Arthur using hand gestures in the Winchester to describe to Terry the size of the bloke he'd just had an encounter with, "...and when I say 'big' Terry, I mean, one of them!"

I always think that the scene of John being set upon by the two lads outside his school and the scene in which Terry confronts them come across as being very natural.
Sometimes, this type of violence and falling to ground etc. can look very wooden and staged but I think in this episode, the action is handled and executed extremely well.

[jno]

Here is a 'behind the scenes' photo with Dennis wearing a completely different jacket to the one seen in the episode itself.

Obviously it gets a bit cold doing all this minding.

[VAT]

Great episode this - has one of my all time fave Arthur lines...when he threatens to look into Ted's so called Trust Fund for his son..."all we'll find is a couple of old buttons and a dead rat"

Love this line and use it myself to this day

[jno]

A little publicity picture for Annabel Leventon - this was alongside the TV TIMES listing for this episode on Wednesday 3rd March 1982.

[dscarter1975]

This episode is a shining example of how clever and witty this show was. Gareth Hunt made for a suitably sleazy antagonist.

[barrythebook]

Apr 24, 2015 6:41:03 GMT jno said:

Here is a 'behind the scenes' photo with Dennis wearing a completely different jacket to the one seen in the episode itself.

Obviously it gets a bit cold doing all this minding.

I'm sure I've seen a photo of Peter Brayham wearing a jacket like that . Maybe he was overseeing this scene?

[daz]

Had a day off work due to the kids starting back at school today, so caught up on a few episodes, this being one of them.

I've always liked this episode as it goes along nicely and has a few very good lines in it, with a very stellar supporting cast of actors, Alfie Bass, being in particular good form in this episode. I think this may have been one of the first episodes I ever saw of Minder as I have always remembered the scene when Chris Ellisons character recognises Terry, couldn't remember the actual episode though.

I thought it was Dexter Fletcher who played one of the youths who roughed up John Standen, but a quick check of IMBD says it was a Steven Fletcher, surely must be his brother.

Arthur Daley - Chartered Accountant, would give the term "creative accounting" a whole new meaning.


I forgot to add, the actress Bobbie Brown who played Stantons secretary Julie, was one hot lady.  Wouldn't have minded a kiss from her on my 18th Birthday.

[emmo26]

as mentioned on the deleted thread....Arthur qutoes del boy's famous line of 'he who dares, wins'

[plasticpenguin]

Watched this ep this morning. It's a real corker - Mrs. P was even chuckling at it. (She finds Minder, The Pros, Sweeney... too old fashioned usually).

This would probably be the ideal episode to show someone for the first time.

[jno]

I agree PP.

This episode was shown on Channel 4 as part of a classic TV night I believe in the 90s. I can't remember exactly when it was but hopefully someone might remember it. It was a good choice.

[swainy]

Actually I think it was BBC2 that is went out on. Might be wrong.

[pr1]

I agree with every positive comment previously posted. This is just a flat out great episode! I'm feeling a bit spoiled with one great episode after another as I watch Series Three. So many great lines in this episode. Dennis and George are at the top of their game with fine support from Alfie Bass.. Gareth Hunt makes a good sleaze ball. On a scale of 1-10 I give this a 12!

[gustav]

This is always a good episode - watched it again on ITV 4 yesterday. Alfie Bass is great and so is Gareth Hunt in this particular part. If I was going to be hyper-critical I'd have to say that the 17 year old almost 18 year old John looks about 32 and Drayton College, although it is meant to be a very posh school, looks to be the size of London University. But it is a good one, no doubt about that.

[jno]

Yes, I think in fairness John Standon is stretching the definition of school kid to the limit.

[daz]

Jun 21, 2016 16:21:18 GMT jno said:

Yes, I think in fairness John Standon is stretching the definition of school kid to the limit.

He wasn't any worse than any of the 'kids' in Please Sir.

[daz]

Dec 22, 2015 9:47:51 GMT swainy said:

Actually I think it was BBC2 that is went out on. Might be wrong.

I think what your are referring to Swainy was on BBC2 and was presented by Shaw Taylor?  I'm sure I taped this and may even still have this as Shoestring was on it. I remember C4 had a similar thing on Saturday night in the 90s also and I remember the Sweeney being on it, the one with the character Popeye in it.

[jno]

Jun 21, 2016 20:09:13 GMT daz said:

Jun 21, 2016 16:21:18 GMT jno said:

Yes, I think in fairness John Standon is stretching the definition of school kid to the limit.

He wasn't any worse than any of the 'kids' in Please Sir.

Stephen Garlick was also in a remake of 'The Boy from Space' around the same time, discussed elsewhere on this forum: click here

[newishminderfan]

"Isle of Wight-"

"Man."

"Man, Isle of Man."




Oh, and Ted Standen's secretary ruining a business deal when she tells his new clients that he's building a nuclear base in Iran 

[camandbert]

I recorded this recently on ITV4 and have just watched it.

This episode and the one before (The Birdman of Wormwood Scrubs - which I've also just watched) both contain loads of cracking dialogue some of which is quoted on here. Like the earlier comments the only thing that slightly jars with me is the age of the actor playing John though I only really noticed it when he was in school uniform.

I noticed the date on the cheque that Gareth Hunt writes near the end of the episode, 11th April 1981 (after correction) and wonder if this gives a clue to the filming date? Also visible on the desk as the cheque is written is a piece of paper (something to do with the production maybe?) with the date 6th March 1981 on it.

[gra966]

A great episode this one which I guess was one of the earliest filmed for this season

- It still looks pretty cold in the scenes outside the school & the trees have yet to come into

leaf , so about March 1981 is probably correct

- Arthur is back with his silver Jag which gets trashed by Standons heavies - the next day

it is fully repaired as though nothing had happened - Car SOS has been running longer than

I thought !!!

- In Gareth Hunts first scene he has just finished drinking a cup of coffee - something he

would soon be doing a lot of

I can't imagine Burnside backing down for anything - he would have had Standons door off the

hinges & in there like a bull in a china shop !

I always get mistaken for him in his later years - I wish I had a pound for eveytime someone

says "Didn't you used to be in The Bill?"

- one slight blooper - the Barclays cheque that Mrs Standon writes out for Terry is far too old for 1981

- Barclays had switched to the bright blue logos & cheque books long before then

[Zimbo]

Another good episode. Steven Garlick was 21 but I wouldn't have been surprised to find out he was 31. I'm wondering if someone was having a laugh with the casting. Great scenes between Arthur and Dave in the Winchester early on, when his "do you mind?" Results in a top up, plus Dave's hilarity at reading of the man who left his wooden leg on the tube. Great acting by George Cole without a word when he sees the damage to his car and knows this is trouble. Annabel Leventon was looking very nice as Mrs Standen.
Another one filmed early in the year makes me wonder why series 3 was put back to new year 1982 instead of the autumn season 1981.

[barrythebook]

Jan 4, 2017 13:15:34 GMT Zimbo said:

 Annabel Leventon was looking very nice as Mrs Standen.

She had that certain something didnt she.

Glad it wasnt just me that thought so

[barrythebook]

Jan 4, 2017 13:15:34 GMT Zimbo said:

Another good episode. Great acting by George Cole without a word when he sees the damage to his car and knows this is trouble.

Which leads to the lovely scene in the Winch where Arthur finds Terry playing the gambler and goes on to describe (physically) the "big" geezers he's having a problem with.

Terrys snigger response is good too - in a "yeah right,bring it on" sort of way.

[billyfarmer]

One of my favourite Minder episodes, I can remember recording this episode, when it was shown as part of a classic TV night, on Channel 4, in the 1990's, I can also remember that the very first episode of Man About the House (which I also recorded), was also shown, as part of the classic TV night on Channel 4.

As mentioned in other posts, on this Thread, plenty of memorable scenes in this episode, one memorable scene in the Winchester - when Terry receives a phone call, from John Standen, who's sorry to hear about Terry's heart condition - the look on Arthur's face (unforgettable).

Below is a Press Photograph (which I obtained on eBay).



Written below, the words which can be found on the back of the above Press Photograph.

Thames Television

Minder

Wednesday 3 March 1982

9.00 - 10.00 pm

"The Son Also Rises"

Divorcee, Muriel Standen (Annabel Leventon) wants to buy a record player as a present for her teenage son, John (Stephen Garlick), Arthur (George Cole) has one going cheap, very cheap, as he says "It's genuine Chippendale"! - in Minder tonight.

When John is mugged on his way home from school, Muriel decides he needs a "minder" so Terry (Dennis Waterman ) gets the job, But this is no ordinary mugging..... someone has hired the muggers.... who....? and why....?

Pictured: Centre: Alfie Bass as Arthur's accountant friend, Morrie Levin

              Left: Dennis Waterman as Terry, the Minder.

              Right: Stephen Garlick as young John Standen - as seen in Minder "The Son Also Rises".

A bit of misinformation above, John Standen, wasn't mugged on his way home from school, he was of course roughed up. 

[gustav]

Great photograph billy. 

[jno]

Small article from the Daily Express on Wednesday 3rd March 1982:

[pr1]

I still enjoyed this just as much the second time but John looks about as much like a teenager as I do. I like how Standen's secretary gets in on the act at the end.

[syrupapplesnpears]

General question - can anyone provide a list of Cockney cash currency? A 'Score' is 20 - but then there's a Pony and a Monkey and God-knows-what. Any offers?

[barrythebook]

Sov = £1

Jacks = £5

Cockle = £10

Score = £20

Pony = £25

Century = £100

Monkey = £500

Grand = £1000