Yes, interesting the use of 'Loid it' or 'Lloyd it' in this one...I remember on the 'old forum' there was quite a long discussion exactly where this phrase came from if memory serves me right...
I have the script for this one and its down as: Terry - "You cant 'Loid a mortice Arthur" and 2 things I've just noticed (on checking it) - one is that I'm sure Terry says "Don't be silly (or stupid) Arthur you can't....etc) in the actual ep (?) so may be a bit of ad libbing by Terry left in....and it also seems as though the director (RWB) put the apostrophe just before the word "loid" in by hand, meaning an abbreviation?
I'm sure someone suggested its short for celluloid...where you use a bank card or similar to open a Yale type lock?
Bizarrely its also a term used in the USA it seems....as a few years ago I came across almost the exact same phrase, including the term 'Loid' in a Dean Koontz book!
Watched this tonight as it is one of my favourites.
Noticed something iffy though. That final scene when Collins turns up to give Arthur the cheque, clock the back of his posh jam jar. I swear it is a CND ban the bomb sticker on the back window. Would seem a little out of character for him...
Nice blooper I was made aware of recently - watch carefully around 11 minutes as Charlie enters the flat for the first time (while Terry is downstairs). As Charlie passes the dining table there is a fruit bowl, place mats and a salt & pepper set on the table as he goes into a back room. When Charlie reappears from the back room in the next scene the table is now empty!
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Daley & McCann are, as good as, holding hands, on the exercise yard, in the scrubs.
This is more like it! After the disappointing previous episode it's good to see Minder looking like its old self. The opening scene is one of the best in the series and gets the episode off to a great start. My American ears enjoyed all the slang flying fast and furiously! I really liked the Arthur-Terry banter at the police station.
A very good episode and one to add to my list of favorites.
This is a good episode. Well crafted and everyone is good in it. Just watched it again on ITV4.
I would have thought the reference to 'Lloyd it' was for using a Lloyd's bank card on the lock. I can't see any other explanation as fitting that era.
I am sorry I didn't watch out for the bloopers mentioned above but I noticed another one. When the action shifts from outside the shop where Rycott first confronts Arthur and goes back to the Winchester Arthur's suit changes from pin stripe to brown.
I watched it before I went to work this morning, a quality episode. I have to check something out as I spotted a name of one of the crew in the closing titles who I work with, but not directly. Not a name you would hear much, so am very intrigued!
I know the ITV4 cuts can be frustrating, but it does set you up for the day, no matter how many times you have seen it.
Very good episode. You can always rely on Tony Hoare to come up with the goods. Picture Quality's a bit of a grainy one. Great to see Rycott and Melish again, this was only Rycott's 7th appearance. The receptionist Gra966 refers to is Tilly Vosburgh, playing it more glam here. She often plays downtrodden roles, including a 2 year stint as an MS sufferer in Eastenders in the late 90s. She appeared in only the third ever episode of Grange Hill (according to IMDB)
Great episode this - the scenes between Arthur and Terry where they fall out are brilliant and really show the acting skills of the two leads. For all that though, this episode is a Peter Child's tour de force. It shows how, like Chisholm, he's obsessed with getting Arthur banged up. The scene at the end where he's shouting at them as they leave while the rest of the nick watch on is superb. Best line goes to Arthur though where he's being interviewed by Rycott.
"Do you take me for a complete idiot?"
"Not a complete one, no".
One of the best of series 5 for me.
“Jean Paul Belmondo and Mary Quant got stoned to say the least”.
Just watched this episode for the first time in years, really enjoyed it.
Was quite impressed by the guy that played Mr Collins; tall, handsome actor with a well to do accent - he had real screen presence. Suspected he’d have done more than just an episode of Minder in his career.
Turns out he, David Warbeck, was an action & horror film actor appearing in numerous European movies in the 60’s and 70’s, and for a time was seriously considered as a possible James Bond, being first reserve to replace Roger Moore. However Moore held onto the role longer than studios expected and Warbeck became too old in the meantime, eventually losing out to Timothy Dalton.
Thanks for that VAT. I vaguely remember seeing the discussion on the old forum.
The Lloyd George explanation came from an old boy in the pub who you'd have money on having form in the dim and distant!!
Lloyd seemed to make sense given the more localised slang used in Minder but as you rightly point out (cellu)Loid would seem to be logical answer given the script.
Well you learn something new every day - cheers!
Seems you were not too far off with Harold Lloyd, although the cockney slang is apparently Harold Lloyd = "celluloid""
I came across this on Wordorigins.com where someone had actually asked about the use of "Loid" in Minder:
I was watching an old episode of (the original) ‘Minder’ last night (1970s/80s UK TV show). In it Arthur Daley objected to one of the others making all the mess of crowbarring a lock open and asked if he couldn’t ‘lloyd it’. As Terry then pointed out that you couldn’t do that to a mortice lock I wondered if Arthur had meant that they should try opening the lock with a credit card (hence Lloyd from the bank name). Anyone come across this phrase ever? I realise its perfectly possible that it was made up by the screenwriter.
[Shortened f. CELLU)LOID n.]
A celluloid strip used by thieves to force open a spring lock. Also attrib. Also as v. trans., to break open (a lock) by this method; to let (oneself) in by this method. Hence loiding vbl. n.
1958 M. PROCTER Man in Ambush xvi. 202 You said you could use a loid. Let’s see you open that door. 1960 Observer 24 Jan. 5/5 Got yer stick (jemmy)? Got yer ‘loid (celluloid strip for spring locks)? 1968 ‘G. BAGBY’ Another Day vi. 107 What point..could there be in changing the cylinder..when..my visitor had managed entry by..‘a loid job?’. He had worked a strip of heavy celluloid in over the lock tongue and pushed it back. Ibid. ix. 174, I loided myself into my apartment. 1968 Observer 10 Mar. 25/4 Mortice deadlocks with five or more levers, difficult to pick and impossible to loid. Ibid. 25/5 Doors are opened by picking, loiding, or using a false key. 1968 B. TURNER Sex-Trap xiv. 134 ‘Have you got keys to all Creedy’s places?’ ‘Beatty has. I use a loid myself.’ He showed a tapered wedge of blank celluloid.
Enjoyed this immensely, but shouldn't have expected anything less from a Tony Hoare episode.
Some really good dialogue in this one, particularly when Dave is having to mediate the 'discussion' in a locked Winchester Club. Also enjoyed the first signs of Rycott's mental fragility as he verbals them as they leave the station, and all the woodentops gather behind him giving him some very strange looks...
With the exception of 'the Second Time Around', S5 is shaping up to be the most consistent yet. I don't remember any of the remaining episodes being particularly weak; we shall see...
"Maybe we should sing a hymn; keep our spirits up"
Absolutely loved the opening to this episode. Terry being stretchered out from the freezer, Arthur trying to calm him down "a good rub down by a nice young nurse in a starched uniform, a plate of chicken vindaloo and you will be as right as ninepence" class. It means Terry spends most of the time really annoyed with Arthur (deservedly so) and goes to work for Charlie Pope, winding up in even more trouble. As much as I hate to see Terry and Arthur at each others throats this is a brilliant episode and the plot comes together perfectly. Ending with Terry returning to work for Arthur and both men shaking hands over the car bonnet and so all is right with the world again. 4.5 out of 5.
Just a brilliant episode, great storyline, Rycotts expression on the phone when he hears the furniture is all returned is hilarious. Upto now Minder always seems to bounce back with an excellent episode following a disappointing outing like the last one, I agree with earlier poster upto now series 5 really good