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Post by jno on Feb 17, 2015 15:29:29 GMT
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Post by arnie on Apr 21, 2015 11:16:24 GMT
This is an enjoyable episode. Loved the banter between Arthur and Terry and a decent storyline.
Contains the great phrase "Lloyd it" when trying to re-enter the flat.
The slang is Lloyd George - forge.
To use an instrument to replicate a key was known as forging a lock. Basically picking the lock.
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Post by VAT on Apr 24, 2015 15:17:18 GMT
Yes, interesting the use of 'Loid it' or 'Lloyd it' in this one...I remember on the 'old forum' there was quite a long discussion exactly where this phrase came from if memory serves me right...
I have the script for this one and its down as: Terry - "You cant 'Loid a mortice Arthur" and 2 things I've just noticed (on checking it) - one is that I'm sure Terry says "Don't be silly (or stupid) Arthur you can't....etc) in the actual ep (?) so may be a bit of ad libbing by Terry left in....and it also seems as though the director (RWB) put the apostrophe just before the word "loid" in by hand, meaning an abbreviation?
I'm sure someone suggested its short for celluloid...where you use a bank card or similar to open a Yale type lock?
Bizarrely its also a term used in the USA it seems....as a few years ago I came across almost the exact same phrase, including the term 'Loid' in a Dean Koontz book!
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Post by arnie on Apr 27, 2015 17:19:15 GMT
Thanks for that VAT. I vaguely remember seeing the discussion on the old forum.
The Lloyd George explanation came from an old boy in the pub who you'd have money on having form in the dim and distant!!
Lloyd seemed to make sense given the more localised slang used in Minder but as you rightly point out (cellu)Loid would seem to be logical answer given the script.
Well you learn something new every day - cheers!
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Post by VAT on Jun 5, 2015 19:53:02 GMT
No problem arnie. Can't say I've solved it for sure but I personally think its about the fact the you cant slip a flexible card into a door that is mortice locked. Maybe wrong though! Cheers, VAT.
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Post by nixonuk on Jun 19, 2015 3:15:23 GMT
Watched this tonight as it is one of my favourites.
Noticed something iffy though. That final scene when Collins turns up to give Arthur the cheque, clock the back of his posh jam jar. I swear it is a CND ban the bomb sticker on the back window. Would seem a little out of character for him...
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Post by jno on Jun 19, 2015 3:57:17 GMT
Will keep an eye out nixonuk!
Nice blooper I was made aware of recently - watch carefully around 11 minutes as Charlie enters the flat for the first time (while Terry is downstairs). As Charlie passes the dining table there is a fruit bowl, place mats and a salt & pepper set on the table as he goes into a back room. When Charlie reappears from the back room in the next scene the table is now empty!
Magic!
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Post by I used to think I was a parrot on Jan 23, 2016 0:17:03 GMT
I watched some of this the day on ITV4 when it was actually "bleedin freezing" and I thought I'd end up next to the fish fingers in Bejams.
This is great episode with a good plot and lots of characters (Billy Murray, David Warbeck, the cornermen) to liven up the show.
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Post by pr1 on Jul 18, 2016 2:19:36 GMT
This is more like it! After the disappointing previous episode it's good to see Minder looking like its old self. The opening scene is one of the best in the series and gets the episode off to a great start. My American ears enjoyed all the slang flying fast and furiously! I really liked the Arthur-Terry banter at the police station.
A very good episode and one to add to my list of favorites.
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Post by gustav on Jul 20, 2016 7:56:39 GMT
This is a good episode. Well crafted and everyone is good in it. Just watched it again on ITV4.
I would have thought the reference to 'Lloyd it' was for using a Lloyd's bank card on the lock. I can't see any other explanation as fitting that era.
I am sorry I didn't watch out for the bloopers mentioned above but I noticed another one. When the action shifts from outside the shop where Rycott first confronts Arthur and goes back to the Winchester Arthur's suit changes from pin stripe to brown.
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Post by daz on Jul 20, 2016 19:02:56 GMT
I watched it before I went to work this morning, a quality episode. I have to check something out as I spotted a name of one of the crew in the closing titles who I work with, but not directly. Not a name you would hear much, so am very intrigued!
I know the ITV4 cuts can be frustrating, but it does set you up for the day, no matter how many times you have seen it.
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Post by jno on Dec 23, 2016 9:19:33 GMT
A bit of a clue on the filming date for this one, the calendar behind Rycott definitely looks like 18th January 1984 to me.  |
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Post by gra966 on Feb 3, 2017 18:37:58 GMT
Another good amusing episode , with a major fall out between Arthur & Terry , mind you , you can t blame Terry for being angry at Arthur on this occasion Terry reckoned he would have joined the fish fingers on the shelf at Bejam s , had he been left in the cold store much longer - a name from the past there - I can recall these as large freezer centre/supermarket stores & most large towns had one Arthur sells Abigail an MG Metro - this was the quick one that was capable of more than 55mph down hill with a following wind behind & DIDN T come in beige ! - but did have RED seat belts !!! I don't think the engine in Charlie s Transit had much life left in it , judging by the tapping noise it was making when he pulled up outside the car lot , at the end Getting in some good practice for Don Beech , Charlie was another dodgy character , played brilliantly by Billy Murray Just prior to this Stacey Dorning had starred in ITV sitcom Keep it in the Family , with Robert Gillespie I can t quite recall where the girl playing the dippy receptionist in the estate agent , was familiar from - possibly Grange Hill , but not 100% sure |
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Post by Zimbo on Jun 1, 2017 23:11:44 GMT
Very good episode. You can always rely on Tony Hoare to come up with the goods. Picture Quality's a bit of a grainy one.
Great to see Rycott and Melish again, this was only Rycott's 7th appearance.
The receptionist Gra966 refers to is Tilly Vosburgh, playing it more glam here. She often plays downtrodden roles, including a 2 year stint as an MS sufferer in Eastenders in the late 90s. She appeared in only the third ever episode of Grange Hill (according to IMDB)
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Post by felixdeburgh on Jul 1, 2017 9:39:03 GMT
Great episode this - the scenes between Arthur and Terry where they fall out are brilliant and really show the acting skills of the two leads. For all that though, this episode is a Peter Child's tour de force. It shows how, like Chisholm, he's obsessed with getting Arthur banged up. The scene at the end where he's shouting at them as they leave while the rest of the nick watch on is superb. Best line goes to Arthur though where he's being interviewed by Rycott.
"Do you take me for a complete idiot?"
"Not a complete one, no".
One of the best of series 5 for me.
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Post by alf on Aug 18, 2017 13:05:56 GMT
This is an enjoyable episode. Loved the banter between Arthur and Terry and a decent storyline. Contains the great phrase "Lloyd it" when trying to re-enter the flat. The slang is Lloyd George - forge. To use an instrument to replicate a key was known as forging a lock. Basically picking the lock. I took it to mean using your Lloyds bank card on the Yale lock! |
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Post by pr1 on Mar 12, 2018 0:43:44 GMT
A truly great episode that gets better each time I watch it.
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Post by thewoodster on Mar 12, 2018 8:50:47 GMT
I agree pr1, like a good wine, the maturer it gets the more appreciated...lol
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Post by westldner on Aug 14, 2018 15:24:24 GMT
A good episode I would think. Turn out very well. The police's reaction was very comical.
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Post by incapable on Oct 18, 2018 22:40:12 GMT
Just watched this episode for the first time in years, really enjoyed it.
Was quite impressed by the guy that played Mr Collins; tall, handsome actor with a well to do accent - he had real screen presence. Suspected he’d have done more than just an episode of Minder in his career.
Turns out he, David Warbeck, was an action & horror film actor appearing in numerous European movies in the 60’s and 70’s, and for a time was seriously considered as a possible James Bond, being first reserve to replace Roger Moore. However Moore held onto the role longer than studios expected and Warbeck became too old in the meantime, eventually losing out to Timothy Dalton.
Warbeck died of cancer in 1997, aged 55.
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Post by johnnybear on Oct 20, 2018 8:10:39 GMT
David Warbeck also played schoolteacher Anton Hoffer in Hammer's Twins of Evil (1971) with the great Peter Cushing and the Collinson twins!
JB
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Post by Terry on Oct 21, 2018 8:37:49 GMT
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Post by johnnybear on Oct 22, 2018 7:31:54 GMT
Yeah, maybe...
JB
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Post by VAT on Jun 21, 2019 18:13:43 GMT
Thanks for that VAT. I vaguely remember seeing the discussion on the old forum. The Lloyd George explanation came from an old boy in the pub who you'd have money on having form in the dim and distant!! Lloyd seemed to make sense given the more localised slang used in Minder but as you rightly point out (cellu)Loid would seem to be logical answer given the script. Well you learn something new every day - cheers! Seems you were not too far off with Harold Lloyd, although the cockney slang is apparently Harold Lloyd = "celluloid"" I came across this on Wordorigins.com where someone had actually asked about the use of "Loid" in Minder: I was watching an old episode of (the original) ‘Minder’ last night (1970s/80s UK TV show). In it Arthur Daley objected to one of the others making all the mess of crowbarring a lock open and asked if he couldn’t ‘lloyd it’. As Terry then pointed out that you couldn’t do that to a mortice lock I wondered if Arthur had meant that they should try opening the lock with a credit card (hence Lloyd from the bank name). Anyone come across this phrase ever? I realise its perfectly possible that it was made up by the screenwriter.Answers included: [Shortened f. CELLU)LOID n.]
A celluloid strip used by thieves to force open a spring lock. Also attrib. Also as v. trans., to break open (a lock) by this method; to let (oneself) in by this method. Hence loiding vbl. n.
1958 M. PROCTER Man in Ambush xvi. 202 You said you could use a loid. Let’s see you open that door. 1960 Observer 24 Jan. 5/5 Got yer stick (jemmy)? Got yer ‘loid (celluloid strip for spring locks)? 1968 ‘G. BAGBY’ Another Day vi. 107 What point..could there be in changing the cylinder..when..my visitor had managed entry by..‘a loid job?’. He had worked a strip of heavy celluloid in over the lock tongue and pushed it back. Ibid. ix. 174, I loided myself into my apartment. 1968 Observer 10 Mar. 25/4 Mortice deadlocks with five or more levers, difficult to pick and impossible to loid. Ibid. 25/5 Doors are opened by picking, loiding, or using a false key. 1968 B. TURNER Sex-Trap xiv. 134 ‘Have you got keys to all Creedy’s places?’ ‘Beatty has. I use a loid myself.’ He showed a tapered wedge of blank celluloid. |
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Post by McCann on Jun 22, 2019 23:49:45 GMT
This is superb. In the top ten five episodes for me, if not top three. The dialogue between Arthur, Terry and Charlie is top notch.
Like a number of old wives tales, the streets have such a true to life, wintery feel about them. Which tallies with the January 1984 dates that jno suggests above.
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Post by denzel on Jul 25, 2019 9:25:40 GMT
Love this episode, there's a lot of great stuff going on in it, and for some reason, it's one of the few Middle Years episodes I keep coming back to, again and again, without tiring of it.
Love the opening scene, and the "frosty fate" Tel endures. He looks like he's been stretchered off the Battle of Hoth, even kitted out in Han Solo's snow clobber from that film!
Special shout out for Dave, refereeing the three way battle with Arthur, Terry and Charlie. "The only one with any sense around 'ere". The corner men were great, too.
Stacy Dorning was great in this...love how she put the seat of the car back, and suggested she'd be able to "bless it".
Maybe the line of the show that made me laugh the most this time was Tel's, after Arthur had suggeted Abigail might be into a bit of rough trade: "I tell you what..why don't you give her one, then".
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Post by logie on Apr 20, 2020 14:35:12 GMT
Enjoyed this immensely, but shouldn't have expected anything less from a Tony Hoare episode.
Some really good dialogue in this one, particularly when Dave is having to mediate the 'discussion' in a locked Winchester Club. Also enjoyed the first signs of Rycott's mental fragility as he verbals them as they leave the station, and all the woodentops gather behind him giving him some very strange looks...
With the exception of 'the Second Time Around', S5 is shaping up to be the most consistent yet. I don't remember any of the remaining episodes being particularly weak; we shall see...
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Post by steve74 on May 17, 2020 16:20:50 GMT
Absolutely loved the opening to this episode. Terry being stretchered out from the freezer, Arthur trying to calm him down "a good rub down by a nice young nurse in a starched uniform, a plate of chicken vindaloo and you will be as right as ninepence" class. It means Terry spends most of the time really annoyed with Arthur (deservedly so) and goes to work for Charlie Pope, winding up in even more trouble. As much as I hate to see Terry and Arthur at each others throats this is a brilliant episode and the plot comes together perfectly. Ending with Terry returning to work for Arthur and both men shaking hands over the car bonnet and so all is right with the world again. 4.5 out of 5.
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Post by heredia1 on Jun 4, 2020 13:11:58 GMT
Just a brilliant episode, great storyline, Rycotts expression on the phone when he hears the furniture is all returned is hilarious. Upto now Minder always seems to bounce back with an excellent episode following a disappointing outing like the last one, I agree with earlier poster upto now series 5 really good
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Post by chopper on Aug 7, 2020 20:14:54 GMT
Was it me, or did the picture quality of the film seem of a poorer quality for this episode?
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