west12lad
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Post by west12lad on Aug 7, 2020 22:55:03 GMT
Great opening scenes around Ladbroke Grove and Some great characters in this all round- I really liked Bill n Ben the con men and Roly Poly the club owner. I did like how he handled the extortionist thugs himself and how he discussed 'morals' with Arthur. There was a Bejams in the Concord centre (w12 centre) in Shepherds Bush when I was a kid. My Mum actually bought a fridge freezer there (sure it was called White knight brand). It later became an Iceland I believe and if my geography is correct it is where the pound shop is now. Found this :  www.flickr.com/photos/25347284@N04/5025767136Radio Rental- I haven't heard that slang in years LOL Spotted the pub in corner of Portobello road when Terry was talking to Arthur outside Charlies Junk shop. I remember it being quite a rough boozer (Carnavaron castle) then it became fat badger gastro- think its a pizza haunt now |
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Post by logie on Aug 17, 2020 10:40:46 GMT
 Great pic west12lad
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Post by pr1 on Aug 17, 2020 14:09:03 GMT
Watched this again last night. Great episode from start to finish.  |
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Post by greener1981 on Aug 18, 2020 9:47:50 GMT
I’ll ‘ave you Daley, one of these days I’ll ‘ave you!!! And you McCann!!!
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Post by kettle on Apr 14, 2021 12:01:38 GMT
Liked seeing Arthur's adaptability to opportunity in action:
"The goods and chattels trade forms quite a part of my extensive business empire.
What I haven't got I can get, you just..have to ask."
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Post by bigaitch on Apr 25, 2021 7:29:59 GMT
Great opening scenes around Ladbroke Grove and Some great characters in this all round- I really liked Bill n Ben the con men and Roly Poly the club owner. I did like how he handled the extortionist thugs himself and how he discussed 'morals' with Arthur. There was a Bejams in the Concord centre (w12 centre) in Shepherds Bush when I was a kid. My Mum actually bought a fridge freezer there (sure it was called White knight brand). It later became an Iceland I believe and if my geography is correct it is where the pound shop is now. Found this : www.flickr.com/photos/25347284@N04/5025767136Radio Rental- I haven't heard that slang in years LOL Spotted the pub in corner of Portobello road when Terry was talking to Arthur outside Charlies Junk shop. I remember it being quite a rough boozer (Carnavaron castle) then it became fat badger gastro- think its a pizza haunt now Bejam is a name from the past isn’t it...they were actually bought out and taken over by Iceland, something I read in the excellent autobiography of Malcolm Walker, the Iceland founder. I loved this episode , it has a great plot, and some of the quotes are superb. As mentioned, Arthur replying ‘Not a complete one, no’ when Rycott asks if he thinks he is an idiot is priceless. And Abigail wanting to break her car in by reclining the seat gives the impression of a bored housewife who likes to play a little when the old man is not around. Arthur being had over at the end with the newer cheque, 2 grand down on the original is superbly done too. |
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Post by Barrel on Nov 15, 2021 1:12:48 GMT
Excellent episode one of the very best in series 5.
I must confess despite Minder being one of my very favourite TV shows as a child in the 1980"s of which I was 15 when that decade ended I've probably not come close to seeing half of them.
I'm presently making a determined effort this Winter to go through them and this episode is a gem or a nice little earner as Arthur would say.
Seeing Terry and Arthur seriously fall out is fascinating.Growing up my father was a small time businessman like although not dishonest or a rogue he was a charasmatic man and he also had a younger assistant his nephew rather similar to Terry in that he relied on the older man for work and in return he ran the day to day lock up and sorted any trouble which in the 1980s and 70s there was a fair amount of and the nephew was tasty with his fists....they operated on a rough patch in Greater London so a lot of it reminded me so much of the rare times they fell out..twice I recall..despite the constant moaning of the younger guy.
Arthur's "frosty fate" line had me choking on my tea.Nice line.Great acting by Terry lying helpless on the gurney...you really felt he was at the end of his tether with Arthur and this is one of the first episodes in this 25 years later revisit,where I'm observing as an older man,that Terry had a real gripe this time...and Arthur was bang out of order...Gawd forbid Tel could've perished in that freezer.It was no joke. On other parts of my rewatch mainly covering series 3 and 4 I've found Terry a little overly sarcastic ....I mean cheer up Tel...under Arthur you get to live and swan about in Central London and Kensington..."meet" loads of women,drive a Capri...mix with an interesting bunch drink and eat in good places..im sure every kid wanted to be Terry growing up..than again Tel puts his body on the line and often his sanity dealing with Arthur :-).
Inspector Rycott enriches every scene and nice to see the future Sir Piers Fletcher Dervish playing a Cockney copper...just shows the range of acting talent on display.
Billy Murray playing the lovable rogue crook as usual.
One interesting thing I took from this episode, and its something I recall more of in the Ray Daley years is....we see fleeting scenes that reveal Arthur can be quite a tough,stubborn defiant man when angry....he stands up to Terry and at one point even brushes him aside...I also recall this " tough Arthur" in the first episode of the first Ray Daley series when he stands down the protection racket heavy and calmly calls him 'scum'.
I don't know if this was an example of plot holes or inconsistencies as mostly at other times we saw Arthur the quintessential coward when slinking /running away from a dangerous scene.
I recall one episode in particular in the early years when Arthur is bullied into almost jogging himself to death.
The winter scene at the end was nice as was seeing Terry and Arthur shake hands.
Last aside ,I noticed in the closing scenes George Cole seemed to have a slight black eye...I wonder...as a child circa 1984/85 I remember reading in the local South Bucks rag we were living in at the time that George Cole 59 was mugged and his 13 year old son chased away the miscreant(s)...could this " black eye" be from that incident...in conclusion a great episode for me.
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Post by barrythebook on Nov 15, 2021 18:47:07 GMT
Good review Barry and an interesting note about GC being mugged, I hadn't heard of this before.
George Layton made one of his Sweeney appearances with a black eye which he apparently got in a road rage incident whilst on his way to filming.
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Post by jno on Nov 17, 2021 4:20:00 GMT
...as a child circa 1984/85 I remember reading in the local newspaper George Cole was mugged locally ,knocked to the ground ,his George listed as 59 ,with his 13 year old son chasing away the miscreant...could this " black eye" be from that incident...in conclusion a great episode for me. I believe this was his wife barry. Not sure I've heard that GC was mugged. |
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Barrel
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Post by Barrel on Nov 30, 2021 0:54:53 GMT
...as a child circa 1984/85 I remember reading in the local newspaper George Cole was mugged locally ,knocked to the ground ,his George listed as 59 ,with his 13 year old son chasing away the miscreant...could this " black eye" be from that incident...in conclusion a great episode for me. I believe this was his wife barry. Not sure I've heard that GC was mugged. I may have my wires crossed or as Arthur might say it was the "gutter press" at play but i definitely remember a story written in a local South Bucks newspaper circa 1985 |
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Post by rycottsraincoat on Mar 31, 2022 9:09:40 GMT
Saw this for the first time in ages yesterday, one of the best `Terry` episodes. The thing that struck me was that DC Mellish appeared to have more than a grudging respect for Terry and particularly Arthur, and it would have made the episode if he was in the background smirking when Rycott goes in to his "I`ll have you Daley" routine! Glad others have mentioned the `Lloyd it` bit about the lock, I thought I`d misheard it and couldn`t work out at all what Arthur said.
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Post by chopper on Mar 31, 2022 20:35:19 GMT
18 months on, I thought exactly the same this week when I had a half day off work to take my dog to the vets and watched this, thinking the picture quality was poor!
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Post by azza200 on Mar 31, 2022 23:15:41 GMT
It was poor the re-runs now seem to be all shown in full screen and not the original 4.3 ratio same with The Professionals ruins the picture quality. Some of broadcasts look like 4-5 gen video poor quality when we know there is better out there
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Post by jjmolloy on Apr 1, 2022 14:20:03 GMT
It was poor the re-runs now seem to be all shown in full screen and not the original 4.3 ratio same with The Professionals ruins the picture quality. Some of broadcasts look like 4-5 gen video poor quality when we know there is better out there Makes sense to get them on DVD if you can. |
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Post by jjmolloy on Apr 1, 2022 14:30:50 GMT
Interesting (nearly) that in one of the last scenes, Collins's Mercedes sportscar had a CND sticker on the back window!
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Post by dabizzo on May 28, 2022 4:05:26 GMT
A bit of a clue on the filming date for this one, the calendar behind Rycott definitely looks like 18th January 1984 to me. 
Definitely looks like it was filmed on a frigid day!
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Post by billyfarmer on Jul 26, 2023 22:51:30 GMT
Below is an original Press Photograph (which I obtained recently).  Written below, the words which can be found on the back of the above Press Photograph. Thames Television Minder Wednesday 10 October 1984, 9.00 - 10.00pm "Second Hand Pose" Arthur (George Cole) and Terry (Dennis Waterman) have fallen out, as a result, Terry has found himself a new job working for Charlie Pope (Billy Murray), a dealer in second hand furniture, in Minder, tonight, written by Tony Hoare, and directed by Roy Ward Baker. The cause of the disagreement was Terry's near death, frozen in a locked cold storage room, according to Arthur, it was just a mix-up in communications, he consoles Terry, as he is carried out on a stretcher, a good rub down with a fresh nurse in a starched uniform, a plate of chicken vindaloo, you'll be as right as nine pins, Terry is not convinced, and wants nothing more to do with Arthur, the next time I see him, I'm going to jump up and down on his trilby, with his head still in it. As Dave (Glynn Edwards), the Winchester Club barman, explains to Arthur, I'll tell you what, he's got the dead needle with you, your relationship is finished, totally terminated as far as he's concerned, you can say his attitude is decidedly frosty. So Terry joins Charlie Pope, who turns out to be even shadier than Arthur. Pictured: Stacy Dorning, as the wife of Arthur's customer Mr Collins, in Thames Television's Minder "Second Hand Pose", on ITV tonight. |
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Post by simon316 on Oct 12, 2023 18:35:22 GMT
Another of my favourite episodes. As ever, good location filming, great supporting cast and a great storyline and script. Billy Murray plays Charlie Pope to a tee.
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Post by jno on Oct 23, 2023 13:16:00 GMT
Another of my favourite episodes. As ever, good location filming, great supporting cast and a great storyline and script. Billy Murray plays Charlie Pope to a tee.  Bill & Ben, these two are superb characters. If there was ever a candidate that needed to show up in another Minder episode, these two are right up there for me.  |
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Post by simon316 on Oct 23, 2023 14:15:12 GMT
Another of my favourite episodes. As ever, good location filming, great supporting cast and a great storyline and script. Billy Murray plays Charlie Pope to a tee. Bill & Ben, these two are superb characters. If there was ever a candidate that needed to show up in another Minder episode, these two are right up there for me. I'm not sure if its just me, but whenever I see them, I always think of Terry's memorable line, something like "There's this bird, who I haven't even met, I give her a good seeing to and then say for the use of my body I claim 5 grand of antique chair..." Yes, they were good...
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Post by jno on Oct 23, 2023 17:43:38 GMT
Agreed Simon, that 'radio rental' dialogue is absolute Minder Gold scriptwriting.
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Post by jjmolloy on Dec 16, 2023 17:11:25 GMT
This episode enjoys a special accolade.. It achieved the highest viewing figures for any Minder episode, according to the show's Wikipedia page. On it's October 10th 1984 broadcast it recorded a mighty, whopping 16.4 million viewers.  |
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Post by Portland Road on Dec 22, 2023 7:19:43 GMT
I suspect 'Minder' was at its peak of success then, the fact that there were two seasons in 1984 supports this.
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Post by jno on Jan 5, 2024 13:42:34 GMT
One of my favourite bits of Minder dialogue ever in this episode.
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Post by minderfan84 on Jan 5, 2024 15:00:19 GMT
One of my favourite bits of Minder dialogue ever in this episode. I presume radio rental is rhyming slang then i wonder if its still used these days with its connotations |
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Great pic west12lad 
