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Post by pr1 on Jan 18, 2017 21:16:40 GMT
You're right pr but would this be the programme settling down/finding it's way etc or maybe different writers having different ideas about Arthurs outlook on life? As the series' progressed, possibly the writers were given guidelines as to what Arthur and Terry could and couldnt get up to. Exactly. The show was finding its way and the characters develop over time. As I said if you look at any long running tv series you'll find similar things.
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Post by billyfarmer on Jan 26, 2017 18:20:36 GMT
I can remember watching Gunfight at the O.K. Laundrette, when the episode (introduced by George Cole) was shown in 1994, I seem to remember that the scenes featuring Dave (Glynn Edwards), were omitted, because of money reasons.
Below is a screencap (from Gunfight at the O.K. Laundrette) of Linda Regan as Liz.
In the above scene, Liz had just been shown (by Arthur) her photograph, on the front cover of the Sunday Mirror Newspaper (which can be seen earlier in this Thread).
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Post by Zimbo on Jan 26, 2017 18:43:06 GMT
I think Glynn Edwards only appeared in one scene right at the end and I'm sure it did get shown. I remember thinking how good it was too. ITV should have shown a best of Minder that summer (or the next) just to keep the series in people's conscience.
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Post by yoyopickles on Jan 26, 2017 18:49:54 GMT
I think Glynn Edwards only appeared in one scene right at the end and I'm sure it did get shown. I remember thinking how good it was too. ITV should have shown a best of Minder that summer (or the next) just to keep the series in people's conscience. Dave and the winchester appear midway in the episode, as the radio in the winchester broadcasts news of the hold up, which dave then tells Arthur about, alerting Arthur to terrys whereabouts
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Post by yoyopickles on Jan 26, 2017 18:50:58 GMT
I noticed that even this early in the series, Arthur asked for money for the phone box! tight sod, could not even part with 2p!
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Post by Zimbo on Jan 26, 2017 18:56:38 GMT
I think Glynn Edwards only appeared in one scene right at the end and I'm sure it did get shown. I remember thinking how good it was too. ITV should have shown a best of Minder that summer (or the next) just to keep the series in people's conscience. Dave and the winchester appear miday in the episode, as the radio in the winchester broadcasts news of the hold up, which dave then tells Arthur about, alerting Arthur to terrys whereabouts Despite starting a rerun last summer, (up to 'In') I missed out Gunfight... as I thought I knew it too well. Guess I need to slot it in somewhere.
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Post by yoyopickles on Jan 26, 2017 18:59:24 GMT
Dave and the winchester appear miday in the episode, as the radio in the winchester broadcasts news of the hold up, which dave then tells Arthur about, alerting Arthur to terrys whereabouts Despite starting a rerun last summer, (up to 'In') I missed out Gunfight... as I thought I knew it too well. Guess I need to slot it in somewhere. It is strange, as Dave's first appearance is pretty much a cameo! Hard to think from this early glimpse he and The Winchester would become as much a part as the show as the main stars.
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Post by barrythebook on Jan 27, 2017 21:39:56 GMT
Good point yoyo. In some of the early episodes, Dave and the Winchester seem to be just one of many drinkers that Arthur and Terry use but as time goes on, as you say, they become an integral part of Minder.
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Post by jno on Jan 28, 2017 5:41:01 GMT
I love The Winchester in series 1, it is raw, full of dodgy locals and has a hustle bustle busyness about it which is not seen in later series so much.
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Post by barrythebook on Jan 28, 2017 17:13:54 GMT
I love The Winchester in series 1, it is raw, full of dodgy locals and has a hustle bustle busyness about it which is not seen in later series so much. My thoughts too jno. I reckon it was the type of place that could be quite intimidating to someone who wasn't from that walk of life.
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Post by felixdeburgh on Jan 28, 2017 18:40:09 GMT
I voted Average for this one - it doesn't seem like a typical Minder episode as the relationship between Arthur and Terry isn't established as yet. It would probably be a Good for any other series but by the high standards of Minder, it's not a classic IMO.
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Post by swainy on Jan 28, 2017 23:28:07 GMT
I love The Winchester in series 1, it is raw, full of dodgy locals and has a hustle bustle busyness about it which is not seen in later series so much. I would love to find out more about the Eton club that was used as the Winchester in series 1 (apart from in this episode funnily enough) like when it shut down etc.
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Post by glazbury on Jan 29, 2017 16:33:01 GMT
Yes, I would also like to know more about the Eton Club. It was where Leon Griffiths (creator of Minder) used to go for a drink. It was still there in December 1980 as that was when 'The Professionals' episode 'The Untouchables' was filmed which also featured the Eton Club.
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Post by glazbury on Feb 12, 2017 17:03:55 GMT
I think this episode was a strange choice for the first episode to be broadcast. I would have chosen 'The Bounty Hunter' as the first episode to be shown.
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Post by jno on Feb 12, 2017 17:07:28 GMT
It would be nice to know WHY this was the choice of 'pilot' - it is so an atypical Minder story and the only logic I can apply to this is that we get to see the two main characters separately. Other than that and perhaps the 'big' storyline I can't see much of a reason.
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Post by daz on Feb 12, 2017 20:01:42 GMT
Only saw this episode the once to my memory and that was when I got my box set back on Xmas 2014 and don't remember too much about it, will have to give it another watch to before I give it a score.
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Post by jno on Mar 11, 2017 4:49:38 GMT
Twas of course early days, but I think I prefer 'The Winchester Club' over 'Dave's' to be honest.
On the topic of Dave ... I had no idea until recently that Dave King (born David Kingshott) who appears as laundrette chain owner Alfie in this episode was a stand up comedian, who had topped the London Palladium in the 1950s and also had a few hit singles.
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Post by karlbrookes on Mar 11, 2017 11:56:10 GMT
Dave King also (briefly) played Jack Duckworth's brother Clifford in the 90s I can see why this one was chosen. They wanted to start with a BANG to entice you in and being taken hostage is a pretty dramatic situation. This was obviously Leon Griffith's original vision of the show. A gritty drama with the odd humourous quip. We got more of the Minder we're more familiar imo when Arthur changes from Leon Griffiths' Arthur Daley to George Cole's Arthur Daley
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Post by daz on Apr 3, 2017 20:13:02 GMT
Well I gave this another viewing tonight and glad I did. I do vaugely remember watching this years ago on the TV and I am sure I watched it when I got my boxset, but have to admit to being not very familiar with this episode.
It is a very good episode to be fair. Not a great deal of the tour de force partnership of Arhur and Terry on evidence in this episode, but you could see where it was leading and after a few more episodes it was like they were made for each other.
Loved the location filming, how cool would it have been if you had stayed in the flats above the laundrette when they were doing the filming? The supporting cast were superb, Dave King is a very good actor, pity we didn't see more of him in the series, but how many characters have we said that about? Seemed strange seeing Linda Baron playing an uncredited role in this episode, she may not have been a big star, but she did lots of TV before this and wonder if maybe there was a chance she may have been going to be Daves wife or something early on, as I always get the impression with early Minder that it was trial and error at the beginning and changing things as they were filming
My favourite scene is near the end where Arthur is outside the station when Terry is released and standing against the lampost looking every inch the rogue we would all come to love as the series builds.
Things like Laundrettes, red phone boxes, the yellow lights which the police used during the seige were all familiar things which are virtually done away with now.
Not a bad way kick off what would become an iconic series.
To finish off my rambling and I've said it before on this forum, but I am sure there was a series waiting to be made about young Arthur, especially how he and Terry met up in the first place.
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Post by barrythebook on Apr 3, 2017 22:03:17 GMT
Some very good points daz especially Arthur "looking every inch the rogue."
He looked a proper 'spiv' in this episode, out to make a quid wherever he could.
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Post by rjc77 on Apr 19, 2017 22:23:49 GMT
This is one episode that I watched once but cannot watch again, as anything with guns gives me the willies big time. I often have extreme nightmares about being caught up in such a situation, but thankfully I don't live in a big city where the chances are usually most likely.
RJC.
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Post by pr1 on May 13, 2017 18:00:39 GMT
I've decided that very soon I will start watching Minder over again. With a few exceptions I've only seen each episode once. Looking forward to revisiting the manor.
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Post by glazbury on May 16, 2017 15:27:37 GMT
I've decided that very soon I will start watching Minder over again. With a few exceptions I've only seen each episode once. Looking forward to revisiting the manor. I find most Minder episodes are easy to watch many times. Lots of great scenes that can be enjoyed again and again. I also find you notice new things you missed in earlier viewings.
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Post by pr1 on May 16, 2017 15:30:15 GMT
I've decided that very soon I will start watching Minder over again. With a few exceptions I've only seen each episode once. Looking forward to revisiting the manor. I find most Minder episodes are easy to watch many times. Lots of great scenes that can be enjoyed again and again. I also find you notice new things you missed in earlier viewings. That is a sign of a well made tv show. Minder was definetly that.
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Post by barrythebook on May 16, 2017 18:58:03 GMT
I've decided that very soon I will start watching Minder over again. With a few exceptions I've only seen each episode once. Looking forward to revisiting the manor. I find most Minder episodes are easy to watch many times. Lots of great scenes that can be enjoyed again and again. I also find you notice new things you missed in earlier viewings. I've seen some episodes of Minder and Sweeney probably over a hundred times and still notice things Personally, I never tire of them.
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Post by pr1 on Jun 7, 2017 18:32:05 GMT
Watched this the other day for the third time and the first after seeing the entire series. It is not quite the Minder we all know and love but I think it is a good introduction to Terry and Arthur. It clearly establishes the precedent of Terry finding himself in hot water and Arthur looking for an easy earner under any circumstance. It is surprising to see Arthur in a more supporting role. One thing is certain and that is the absolute brilliance of George Cole as Arthur Daley right from the start.
The music in the more dramatic/tense moments seemed odd to me. Was it stock or composed for the episode. I forgot Chisholm appears in this episode. He looks so different.
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Post by yoyopickles on Jun 7, 2017 18:39:50 GMT
It serves very well as a first episode, simply because of the way we are first introduced to Arthur, all sombre and respecful at the wedding only for Alfie to whisper "we'll nip out and have a quick one!" a sudden change of mood indeed, then Arthurs line "likes a nice church service and a luncheon does Terry" then in the next scene we see him in the strip club!
When i watched this on the big screen at the BFT, the audience did chuckle at that line!
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Post by glazbury on Jul 5, 2017 14:37:54 GMT
Chisholm's longer haircut in this episode always makes me smile!
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Post by pr1 on Jul 5, 2017 14:42:38 GMT
Chisholm's longer haircut in this episode always makes me smile! When I just watched this again recently I didn't recognize him at first. Arthur and Terry either made his hair fall out or he pulled it out in frustration over the pair.
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Post by VAT on Jul 5, 2017 17:10:39 GMT
From memory (as not seen Gunfight for a while) it seemed (to me) like it was the first ep filmed (even though we know it wasn't). Reason being is Arthur's behaviour...he seems quite over energised in this one, trying his best to appear as the 'money obsessed' character he came to be known as... In the first ep filmed (Bounty) he allowed Terry to keep his dosh if I remember correctly (at the pub at the end). But in Gunfight he's all over it...even encouraging Tel's girlfriend Liz to, (how shall I put it!), - emphasise her t*ts! First and only time I heard this reference in Minder? So it seems to me he was all out in this one to define the role of Arthur Daley...,perhaps even going a little over the top...so to me at least this is why it seems as though it was filmed first, even though it wasn't!
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