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Post by ontheslate on May 18, 2022 11:06:43 GMT
Didn't know that Dennis was a smoker.... I thought that he was more like his on screen character and didn't touch the coughin' nails. Thinking maybe he got ill from all that 2nd hand cigar smoke that Arthur Daley was chugging away... I wonder if George Cole in real life liked a regular Lah-di-dah. In New Tricks Dennis’ character was a heavy smoker so he probably loved the BBC paying for his fags, I heard a rumour that George Cole either supplied or told the producers which cigars to buy as the ones they supplied first were inferior to the ones he preferred so I figure he was some form of cigar smoker
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Post by westminster on May 18, 2022 13:41:54 GMT
I'm not surprised Dennis Waterman was a smoker, it's easy now to forget that so many people were back in the day. It would've been the norm for blokes from his background.
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Post by Arch Stanton on May 18, 2022 13:48:36 GMT
I'm not surprised Dennis Waterman was a smoker, it's easy now to forget that so many people were back in the day. It would've been the norm for blokes from his background. Most sensible people still do smoke Westminster. I for one am a fan of smoking.
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Post by jjmooney on May 18, 2022 14:03:56 GMT
Any word on a funeral/memorial service in the UK?
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Post by westminster on May 18, 2022 15:29:33 GMT
I'm not surprised Dennis Waterman was a smoker, it's easy now to forget that so many people were back in the day. It would've been the norm for blokes from his background. Most sensible people still do smoke Westminster. I for one am a fan of smoking. No, Arch. No
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Post by ontheslate on May 18, 2022 15:39:40 GMT
I’m not one of those reformed smokers who are really anti smoking but I am glad smoking is not as popular as it once was. I finally gave up over a year ago and in some social gatherings I was the only smoker ten or fifteen years ago non smokers were often the minority.
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Post by Arch Stanton on May 18, 2022 16:07:09 GMT
Most sensible people still do smoke Westminster. I for one am a fan of smoking. No, Arch. No Yes, yes I do.
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Post by harryshand on May 18, 2022 16:07:30 GMT
I'm also a fan of smoking - it's great, especially the first one of the day to clear the tubes. I started on the fags about 14 then progressed to cigars in my late 20s, including a couple of years on the big guns after a trip to Cuba in 1999.
Took me nearly 10 years to lose the occasional post meal craving but (albeit a tad smugly) I can say I've been smoke free ever since my first daughter was born so 13 years and counting.
I loved smoking but if I'm honest I probably love not smoking more now. If the medics are correct, after 10 years your lungs are back to a non -smoker condition, so I feel I've had 25 years of smoking pleasure for free - health wise if not financially.
Talking of which, my old man gave up his pipe a few years ago after about 60 years because of the cost of pipe tobacco and it becoming unavailable in duty free shops.
I'm sure Dennis enjoyed every single one of his smokes, knew the risks and carried on regardless. Fair play to him.
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Post by ltd on May 18, 2022 17:33:52 GMT
You should do a Dennis Not Minder and Not Sweeney fest next pr1, plenty of gems in there! If anyone wants to see 1970's 'My Lover My Son', a PM is all you need. Not a bad idea. I do a few other things he did. I saw Go Cart Go on YouTube and found it entertaining. He's got a major supporting role in That Smashing Bird I Used to Know. Worth a watch. Maureen Lipman slags it off, but it's not the worst sexploitation film you'll see, and she's actually rather good in it. Features a fair sprinkling of other Minder/Sweeney faces as well.
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Post by johnnybear on May 19, 2022 6:56:16 GMT
He was a bit of a smoker in The Sweeney with George Carter always tugging on a puff! My Mother who hasn't smoked for thirty plus years has black scarring on her lungs though she's been told! So I wouldn't say that stopping necessarily repairs the damage done to your already pumps! JB
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Post by Arch Stanton on May 20, 2022 6:13:25 GMT
George Carter always tugging on a puff! How dare you JB! George Carter was a respectable fictional character. He didn’t go around tugging off puffs.
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Post by spacecadet on May 20, 2022 17:36:02 GMT
Nice clip based tribute to Dennis:
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Post by yorkshirebilly on May 20, 2022 21:17:06 GMT
He was a bit of a smoker in The Sweeney with George Carter always tugging on a puff! My Mother who hasn't smoked for thirty plus years has black scarring on her lungs though she's been told! So I wouldn't say that stopping necessarily repairs the damage done to your already pumps! JB
I've never smoked. As a child I had to endure my grandpa's cigarette smoke - he smoked like a chimney - and I found the smell very repugnant. I vowed that I would never smoke - partly because I knew the risks of cancer, but also because I didn't want to find I liked smoking and then have the dilemma of do I smoke because I like the effect, or do I let the foul smell and the strong risk of lung cancer put me off?
Strangely, it's only cigarette smoke that I hate. Cigar smoke and some pipe smoke is quite pleasant: not as acrid and pungent.
My feeling about a smoking ban is that the rules about not smoking indoors are wrong. Smokers should be allowed to smoke in a designated smoking room indoors as long as it cannot leak smoke outside the room. But in return, smoking should be banned outdoors everywhere that anyone else can smell the smoke. I do not want ever to have to smell cigarette smoke.
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Post by jno on May 21, 2022 3:33:46 GMT
He was a bit of a smoker in The Sweeney with George Carter always tugging on a puff! My Mother who hasn't smoked for thirty plus years has black scarring on her lungs though she's been told! So I wouldn't say that stopping necessarily repairs the damage done to your already pumps! JB
I've never smoked. As a child I had to endure my grandpa's cigarette smoke - he smoked like a chimney - and I found the smell very repugnant. I vowed that I would never smoke - partly because I knew the risks of cancer, but also because I didn't want to find I liked smoking and then have the dilemma of do I smoke because I like the effect, or do I let the foul smell and the strong risk of lung cancer put me off?
Strangely, it's only cigarette smoke that I hate. Cigar smoke and some pipe smoke is quite pleasant: not as acrid and pungent.
My feeling about a smoking ban is that the rules about not smoking indoors are wrong. Smokers should be allowed to smoke in a designated smoking room indoors as long as it cannot leak smoke outside the room. But in return, smoking should be banned outdoors everywhere that anyone else can smell the smoke. I do not want ever to have to smell cigarette smoke.
Without wanting to turn DW's tribute thread into a smoking debate I agree with most of that yb. I can't stick passive smoke and once told a German guy outdoors in Spain to blow his cigarette smoke over his girlfriend, not over me and my mate having a quiet drink. He looked astounded that someone would even ask such a thing but he did it because he didn't want any aggro. However, smokers will always bring car exhaust fumes into any smoking debate and to be fair they have a very good point. If this thread turns into a smoking debate though I will move all posts to their own thread.
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Post by fordcapri on May 21, 2022 8:02:28 GMT
Started watching 'Fiddler on the Hoof' last night, courtesy of the ITV Hub. It seemed like a pretty good episode... but then the Virgin Media connection went and that was the end of that. A shame. I'm sure I'll get to see it again and there are quite a few others still available until the middle of June. The Virgin service often seems to go down late at night - I don't mean the TV/internet, I mean the additional functions on the TV service - which has p1ssed me off more than once. Generally I prefer to record things and watch them later rather than rely on catch up... the BBC iPLayer was even worse!
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Post by Arch Stanton on May 21, 2022 9:05:34 GMT
I've never smoked. As a child I had to endure my grandpa's cigarette smoke - he smoked like a chimney - and I found the smell very repugnant. I vowed that I would never smoke - partly because I knew the risks of cancer, but also because I didn't want to find I liked smoking and then have the dilemma of do I smoke because I like the effect, or do I let the foul smell and the strong risk of lung cancer put me off?
Strangely, it's only cigarette smoke that I hate. Cigar smoke and some pipe smoke is quite pleasant: not as acrid and pungent.
My feeling about a smoking ban is that the rules about not smoking indoors are wrong. Smokers should be allowed to smoke in a designated smoking room indoors as long as it cannot leak smoke outside the room. But in return, smoking should be banned outdoors everywhere that anyone else can smell the smoke. I do not want ever to have to smell cigarette smoke.
Without wanting to turn DW's tribute thread into a smoking debate I agree with most of that yb. I can't stick passive smoke and once told a German guy outdoors in Spain to blow his cigarette smoke over his girlfriend, not over me and my mate having a quiet drink. He looked astounded that someone would even ask such a thing but he did it because he didn't want any aggro. However, smokers will always bring car exhaust fumes into any smoking debate and to be fair they have a very good point. If this thread turns into a smoking debate though I will move all posts to their own thread. Good. Let’s keep this thread about Dennis. We can debate smoking elsewhere.
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Post by McCann on May 29, 2022 22:33:24 GMT
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Post by steve99 on May 30, 2022 0:10:27 GMT
I don't know if I should be but I'm glad to hear Sheila Hancock say John Thaw was much more like Regan than Morse. The Sweeney DI certainly had his flaws but the character had vitality whereas Morse was a bit of a bore with his opera, fancy quotations and grouchy demeanour. For all the chaos in Regan's life, a divorced part-time dad on poor terms with his ex, too fond of the pub, clashing with his boss, and a job which required him to face down violent criminals, he was a man whom many would look up to.
In contrast, Morse would be fortunate to receive a grudging respect whatever his clear-up rate. It's true Regan and Morse were very different coppers policing very different areas but you could picture yourself enjoying a drink with Regan. Should you be having a pint when Morse entered the pub talking about crosswords, it may well have been a case of I'll get me coat.
I think Dennis Waterman just wanted to enjoy himself in life, both in the work he did and socially, something we can't blame him for. He will have had a great time on The Sweeney and Minder, appearing in two massively popular shows, working with talented actors and a friendly crew. He was also able to indulge his liking for the theatre and music and it would be fair to say he squeezed the most he could from his professional and personal lives, albeit the latter sometimes landed him in situations which were tricky to say the least.
It's ironic that Dennis lived until he was 74 but John Thaw passed away at 60 when you consider John was in his 40s when he gave up the hard-living lifestyle, something I don't think Dennis ever really did. In Dennis's later years there wouldn't have been quite as many jaunts to the pub or literally drinking the bar dry as he recalled in ReMinder, however I reckon he still enjoyed a beer.
Another story Dennis told in his autobiography was when he joined a play long after Minder had ended. He asked one of the cast where the actors went at lunchtime, expecting to be told the name of a nearby pub. The actress informed Dennis most of the cast went to a local health food shop and came straight back to the theatre to discuss the play. I can imagine Dennis's reaction to that comment and fortunately one of the other actors, Alan David, invited him to go for a lunchtime pint.
It was Dennis's life and he lived it as he wanted. I'm sure he would have baulked at the idea of another ten or fifteen years on the planet if it had meant sipping carrot juice and eating health food.
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Post by I used to think I was a parrot on May 31, 2022 17:43:32 GMT
RIP Dennis. He was a great comic actor as shown in Minder and The Sweeney. He gave a fantastic performance in Minder and with George Cole mad it such as success. Looking at his IMDB entry it is a shame he did not do more things. Maybe even another sitcom after On the Up. But he did do some interesting things such as The Life and Loves of a She Devil.
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Post by denzel on Jun 5, 2022 21:56:48 GMT
Not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet...but he was good as Thomas Gyn, in Stay Lucky.. Though I've only seen the first, initial dvd released series of that show..he did great on the accent side..
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Post by jno on Jun 6, 2022 1:48:02 GMT
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Post by denzel on Jun 6, 2022 17:28:58 GMT
Thanks jno.. Some great photos and stuff there, to be sure. Though what I had meant was..not sure if anyone has mentioned it here, in this thread here..or if Stay Lucky has been mentioned much at all, after Dennis's demise.. I guess on the punch up side, it was probably a disappointment to people..as mentioned, it's just "Minder series 7 Terry" once more. But he did seem to provide a fair bit of comical value for money. In episode 1, I believe Gynn realized he'd "pulled" some Asian feller's wife, who wasn't best pleased.. said Asian being another Not Minder man, who's name escapes me now (from Poetic Justice, Innit..). It might have been shot a little silly, but I was alright with that, seeing Dennis' character "staying lucky" in that way. He had some good scenes with his main female co star, Jan there too. While I assume this was not meant to be an out and out comedy per say, neither was Minder, so..just saying.
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Post by jno on Jun 7, 2022 1:39:42 GMT
Stay Lucky is often overlooked or forgotten about in Dennis's career, that's for sure. I love the 90s vibe in that show.
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Post by jjmooney on Jun 7, 2022 14:30:07 GMT
RIP Dennis. He was a great comic actor as shown in Minder and The Sweeney. He gave a fantastic performance in Minder and with George Cole mad it such as success. Looking at his IMDB entry it is a shame he did not do more things. Maybe even another sitcom after On the Up. But he did do some interesting things such as The Life and Loves of a She Devil. Did a lot of theatre of course, in the West End. Only a real professional could perform night after night for weeks/months at a time.
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Post by coyote on Jun 8, 2022 22:07:49 GMT
Stay Lucky is often overlooked or forgotten about in Dennis's career, that's for sure. I love the 90s vibe in that show. Yes, I loved it at the time. Jan Francis' northern accent excepted, of course
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Post by denzel on Jun 8, 2022 22:11:48 GMT
I loved it at the time. Jan Francis' northern accent excepted, of course Well, all I can say is..Thomas Gynn taking the mick out of her accent in series 1 was priceless
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Post by westldner on Jun 23, 2022 3:09:26 GMT
I think it's worth pointing out that Dennis Waterman has had a successful career. How successful and what impact it has made, we don't know, considering that his last big TV role was in New Tricks, so yeah. Not just Minder. Maybe not obvious considering here is a board just dedicated to Minder. Then I wonder if there's a New Tricks fanbase out there, who seems to care! Makes me wonder! I feel kind of bad if it's just us, giving our coincidences and farewells to the featured actor.
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Post by ltd on Jun 24, 2022 11:55:13 GMT
Then I wonder if there's a New Tricks fanbase out there, who seems to care! I'm sure there is a New Tricks fanbase. It was a very popular programme in its day. I think even the later episodes without the original team were still pulling in respectable audience numbers. Possibly though it's still too recent a programme to develop cult status yet?
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Post by fordcapri on Jun 24, 2022 14:53:02 GMT
I must watch Scars of Dracula again this summer (probably the week before Talking Pictures shows it!)... an underrated Hammer Drac film that I've always liked.
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Post by McCann on Jun 25, 2022 5:27:01 GMT
So we learned in the Mail today that Dennis went out quickly in the end. Playing golf Christmas day but he had the dreaded bug in his leg, and this was secondary to his lungs. It seems it was a bit of a surprise he went so quick, based on that interview with his daughter Julia. With his cremation and no public funeral, it is still a bit of a shock today that he died, and we won't get to see him on stage or screen again.
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