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Post by jno on Jun 3, 2023 17:07:13 GMT
Football today eh? It just isn't what it used to be.
Why is that then?
Here's a few reasons we hear all the time:
Too much money involved. / Wags. / Lack of free TV coverage i.e. Sky/BT & Co. killed it / Yobbo tribes at games / Pointless passing backwards / Arrogant unlikeable players / Total lack of respect for the referee / Governing Bodies (FIFA, FA, EFL, Prem. League, UEFA) too dodgy / Social Media / Ticket Prices / Fans unable to hurl abuse at players / without getting banned / Clubs don't respect fans / Travel is aggro (overpriced rubbish system) / Silly Rules and VAR ruining games / Too many hairbands / Oh god, it's the lionesses again / Gary Lineker / David Beckham / Wayne Rooney / Ryan Giggs / Other (mention below)
What do you think?
PICK FIVE!
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Post by yoyopickles on Jun 3, 2023 17:20:05 GMT
This is why I support non league , although that Is becoming corporate these days
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Post by Arch Stanton on Jun 3, 2023 17:24:18 GMT
Good DM!
I’ve picked my five.
I went for:
1. Too much money - absolutely obscene how much money is in the game and the negative impact it has had on the game.
2. TV coverage - disgraceful how I can’t watch matches on terrestrial TV. Bugged me for years this has.
3. Governing Bodies - as crooked as they come. A total bunch of shits. Look at that WC in Qatar as just one example.
4. Clubs - clubs couldn’t give a shyte about fans at all, all they are are just some nuisance but at the same time a cash cow they can keep milking and sell “merch” to. I mean fans are having to travel Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, just to see the team play. Fans are constantly disrespected by their clubs and players and governing bodies.
5. Linekar - the guy is a complete nob head. Sorry Gary, you should have just stuck to football and crisps, kept well out of politics. Particularly as we pay your massive flipping wages with my TV tax.
Unacceptable and insufferable.
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Post by Arch Stanton on Jun 3, 2023 17:24:36 GMT
This is why I support non league , although that Is becoming corporate these days Sad innit. |
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Post by jno on Jun 3, 2023 17:28:26 GMT
Good DM! I’ve picked my five. I went for: 1. Too much money - absolutely obscene how much money is in the game and the negative impact it has had on the game. 2. TV coverage - disgraceful how I can’t watch matches on terrestrial TV. Bugged me for years this has. 3. Governing Bodies - as crooked as they come. A total bunch of shits. Look at that WC in Qatar as just one example. 4. Clubs - clubs couldn’t give a shyte about fans at all, all they are are just some nuisance but at the same time a cash cow they can keep milking and sell “merch” to. I mean fans are having to travel Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, just to see the team play. Fans are constantly disrespected by their clubs and players and governing bodies. 5. Linekar - the guy is a complete nob head. Sorry Gary, you should have just stuck to football and crisps, kept well out of politics. Particularly as we pay your massive flipping wages with my TV tax. Unacceptable and insufferable. Mine were almost all the same but to be honest, I could easily have picked another 5 to go with them. I also picked: Pointless passing backwards/no attacking play. Good God, this is so cr*p. |
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Post by Arch Stanton on Jun 3, 2023 17:32:56 GMT
Good DM! I’ve picked my five. I went for: 1. Too much money - absolutely obscene how much money is in the game and the negative impact it has had on the game. 2. TV coverage - disgraceful how I can’t watch matches on terrestrial TV. Bugged me for years this has. 3. Governing Bodies - as crooked as they come. A total bunch of shits. Look at that WC in Qatar as just one example. 4. Clubs - clubs couldn’t give a shyte about fans at all, all they are are just some nuisance but at the same time a cash cow they can keep milking and sell “merch” to. I mean fans are having to travel Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, just to see the team play. Fans are constantly disrespected by their clubs and players and governing bodies. 5. Linekar - the guy is a complete nob head. Sorry Gary, you should have just stuck to football and crisps, kept well out of politics. Particularly as we pay your massive flipping wages with my TV tax. Unacceptable and insufferable. Mine were almost all the same but to be honest, I could easily have picked another 5 to go with them. Yeah I know, it’s bad isn’t it. Football should be semi professional again. Wages capped at a maximum of 2k a week. And I’d start an immediate rule where at least five players on the pitch at any given time for each team have to be from the U.K. |
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Post by yoyopickles on Jun 3, 2023 17:47:17 GMT
Good DM! I’ve picked my five. I went for: 1. Too much money - absolutely obscene how much money is in the game and the negative impact it has had on the game. 2. TV coverage - disgraceful how I can’t watch matches on terrestrial TV. Bugged me for years this has. 3. Governing Bodies - as crooked as they come. A total bunch of shits. Look at that WC in Qatar as just one example. 4. Clubs - clubs couldn’t give a shyte about fans at all, all they are are just some nuisance but at the same time a cash cow they can keep milking and sell “merch” to. I mean fans are having to travel Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, just to see the team play. Fans are constantly disrespected by their clubs and players and governing bodies. 5. Linekar - the guy is a complete nob head. Sorry Gary, you should have just stuck to football and crisps, kept well out of politics. Particularly as we pay your massive flipping wages with my TV tax. Unacceptable and insufferable. Mine were almost all the same but to be honest, I could easily have picked another 5 to go with them. I also picked: Pointless passing backwards/no attacking play. Good God, this is so cr*p. Very! My uncle Arthur raised me as a gooner, because my great cousin exit ( he is Called exit as he is way out!) Was a spurs fan, personally I prefer non league,as it is more down to earth and all the fans know eachother,saying that,I've been in the VIP lounge at my local team since they opened it in 2015,just after George Cole passed. I'm the only one who wears a suit and tie.... |
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Post by Arch Stanton on Jun 3, 2023 17:47:19 GMT
I thought you promised that Death Match 169 was going to be about favourite sexual position.  |
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Post by jno on Jun 3, 2023 17:50:20 GMT
I thought you promised that Death Match 169 was going to be about favourite sexual position. No, that's 73, like 69 just with four fingers up .... erm, never mind.  |
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Post by McCann on Jun 3, 2023 18:19:24 GMT
It was something else this morning seeing Saint & Greavsie visiting the Man Utd supporters shop (a string of portacabins from what I could see) at Old Trafford in 1985.
That scene alone could sum up a lot in one go.
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Post by jno on Jun 3, 2023 18:41:14 GMT
It was something else this morning seeing Saint & Greavsie visiting the Man Utd supporters shop (a string of portacabins from what I could see) at Old Trafford in 1985. That scene alone could sum up a lot in one go. Bang on the money there McCann. |
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Post by ontheslate on Jun 3, 2023 18:51:23 GMT
I’ve picked five reasons but my top two are too much money, has put football out of reach for ordinary people ticket prices and stadium food and drink, cheaply made shirts selling for well over their worth buying sports packages from several channels to be able to watch matches at home, the second reason is the dodginess of fifa uefa fa the Qatar World Cup should never have happened completely about greed not sport.
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Post by Arch Stanton on Jun 5, 2023 7:24:08 GMT
Back in the day we used to give some players dog’s abuse from the terraces. Shame I’d get banned now for that.
Sad times.
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Post by AlanH on Jun 6, 2023 15:41:16 GMT
My 5...
(1) Too much money involved.
(2) Yobbos/hooligan tribes at games. In fact, it's actually the tribalism that depresses me - how one town hates another town, etc, or even cities are split with tribes supporting various teams in those cities.
(3) Governing Bodies (FIFA, FA, EFL, Prem. League, UEFA) too dodgy. Particularly FIFA and UEFA.
(4) Silly Rules and VAR ruining games. Specifically VAR which not only ruins the flow and emotion of games, it is also often erroneously managed.
(5) Other - the way that teams are just 'local' in terms of their names now. There is very little to say that Manchester City or Manchester United, for instance, in any way are teams from Manchester. They are just based and play there.
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Post by Arch Stanton on Jun 7, 2023 9:04:44 GMT
My 5... (1) Too much money involved. (2) Yobbos/hooligan tribes at games. In fact, it's actually the tribalism that depresses me - how one town hates another town, etc, or even cities are split with tribes supporting various teams in those cities. (3) Governing Bodies (FIFA, FA, EFL, Prem. League, UEFA) too dodgy. Particularly FIFA and UEFA. (4) Silly Rules and VAR ruining games. Specifically VAR which not only ruins the flow and emotion of games, it is also often erroneously managed. (5) Other - the way that teams are just 'local' in terms of their names now. There is very little to say that Manchester City or Manchester United, for instance, in any way are teams from Manchester. They are just based and play there. 1) Agreed, it’s ruined the game. They won’t but football money should be capped. 2) As a species we are intrinsically tribal, hence football and why multiculturalism doesn’t work in spite of the BBC telling us all how stunning and brave it is every two minutes. Multiracial works to a degree, multicultural no. Football teams are merely a snapshot of this. Plus I like that frisson of electricity you get just as things are about to go top wotsits up. 3) “Today I feel gay, today I feel disabled”  “Today I feel like taking a massive sports washing bribe in order to host the biggest sporting event on the planet in Qatar, and in the process mug off all the real fans and kill thousands of forced migrant workers for my own great benefit.” 4) VAR’s shyte. Just bring back real refs and allow us to hurl dog’s abuse at them from the terraces. “Who’s the bar steward in the black? Who’s the bar steward in the black?” 5) Yeah but…. “We’ve got Bannan, Barry Bannan, I just don’t think you understand, a little Scottish man, he’s better than Zidane, we’ve got Barry Bannan.” Albeit he’s just based and plays there. “He’s one of our own” etc The Blunts don’t have Barry. I find the higher up the league the club, the less reality or connection to the local area there is. |
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Post by AlanH on Jun 7, 2023 11:06:42 GMT
(2) I agree that football tribalism is just a reflection of wider societal norms, but it does seem massively magnified. You don't see it in many other team sports, at least not as viciously, but then football is a way of life for some very stupid people.
Don't get me wrong, I love the game and used to be a quite handy left-winger in my youth and early adulthood (I refuse to play on the right due to my political persuasion!), but the tribalism has caused me to become a casual fan and exclusively a TV football fan. I just hate it.
I think I've been to three football matches in person, one in the early 80s (an Arsenal-Chelsea), a Charlton game at Selhurst Park when they were playing there (late 80s, I think) and an England-France match (which a quick search tells me was 19th February 1992). Funny... I remember it as being 2-0 France, but it was 2-0 to England according to englandstats.com. My main memory of the game was just how dreadful a player Geoff Thomas was. Couldn't do anything right.
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Post by Arch Stanton on Jun 7, 2023 13:00:52 GMT
Don't get me wrong, I love the game and used to be a quite handy left-winger in my youth and early adulthood (I refuse to play on the right due to my political persuasion!), I could play anywhere me, with both feet. Probably most effective as a goalkeeper (in college) or box to box midfielder, passing, crossing, occasional moments of skill where I even surprised myself (and teammates), plus I also knew where the net was and could mix it up in defence. Not particularly pacey but had a good engine and was relentlessly dogged. At one point I was playing or training or training kids 6 days a week. Then I found smoking and drinking and birds and football didn’t seem important anymore, apart from a couple of charity tournaments I played. I last played footy when I was about 40. Jesus! Astroturf pitch. Ended up defaulting to defence coz I thought I’d be less active. Yeah right. The opposition had some very swift players. Everyone in the game was about 15 years younger than me and seemed to be much faster than any players I’d ever played against before, like Sonic the flipping Hedgehog or something. God I was unfit, I was flying into slide tackles like it was still 1990. Knees ripped to shreds. Didn’t care. Shrugged it off. Teammates wincing at me and I told them to stop worrying about me and focus on themselves. Next day I felt like I’d been hit by a runaway cement truck, which lasted for about 3 days. Still picking bits of plastic out of my knees for about a week. Took me something like 4 months to recover 12 months till I grew a new toenail. Next week the lads were giving it, “Are you coming to play for the team again this week Arch, please Arch, you had a good game considering.” Considering. Cheeky söds. Needless to say I didn’t play again and apart from having a kick about now and again, my playing days are over. |
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Post by metro1962 on Jun 7, 2023 13:54:34 GMT
]Then I found smoking and drinking and birds and football didn’t seem important anymore, apart from a couple of charity tournaments I played.. George Best was just the same Arch😁 His fav quote about half time is a classic. |
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Post by Arch Stanton on Jun 7, 2023 14:02:01 GMT
George Best was just the same Arch😁 His fav quote about half time is a classic. I was no George Best, that is for sure. More like George Whitebread. |
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Post by jno on Jun 8, 2023 2:19:04 GMT
...or when Arch has a few too many hipster ales it's more like George off Rainbow! In other news, it seems the obscene amount of cash in football these days is the frontrunner so far. Example: Ukrainian winger Mykhailo Mudryk signed for Chelsea in January 2023 for 88 million quid. 88 million quid?!  I'm also not sure what qualifies him to leave his homeland either ( The general rule is that men between the ages of 18 and 60 cannot leave the country: mapujpomoc.pl/en/men-crossing-the-ukrainian-border/ ) Then two weeks ago the Daily Wail prints this: Chelsea's £88m winger Mykhailo Mudryk draws criticism on social media after posting a video that appeared to mock an elderly man as he worked out at the gym ( mol.im/a/12120119 ). So an 88 million quid footballer is mocking the elderly, filming them and putting it online. Also in the article, Things have not been plain sailing for Mudryk since making his move to Stamford Bridge in the January window. The 22-year-old has failed to find the back of the net in any of his 14 top-flight appearances.
Sorry but what a tool. Nobody is worth 88 million quid to play football and this guy is hardly any value for money. Just makes me not want to watch this tripe with such horrible people involved. |
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Post by Arch Stanton on Jun 8, 2023 7:12:36 GMT
...or when Arch has a few too many hipster ales it's more like George off Rainbow! In other news, it seems the obscene amount of cash in football these days is the frontrunner so far. Example: Ukrainian winger Mykhailo Mudryk signed for Chelsea in January 2023 for 88 million quid. 88 million quid?! I'm also not sure what qualifies him to leave his homeland either ( The general rule is that men between the ages of 18 and 60 cannot leave the country: mapujpomoc.pl/en/men-crossing-the-ukrainian-border/ ) Then two weeks ago the Daily Wail prints this: Chelsea's £88m winger Mykhailo Mudryk draws criticism on social media after posting a video that appeared to mock an elderly man as he worked out at the gym ( mol.im/a/12120119 ). So an 88 million quid footballer is mocking the elderly, filming them and putting it online. Also in the article, Things have not been plain sailing for Mudryk since making his move to Stamford Bridge in the January window. The 22-year-old has failed to find the back of the net in any of his 14 top-flight appearances.
Sorry but what a tool. Nobody is worth 88 million quid to play football and this guy is hardly any value for money. Just makes me not want to watch this tripe with such horrible people involved. Conflicting info online but apparently he is paid anything from 97k to 150k per week. That’s what I don’t get. How can that be justified? 7.8 million a year. I would cap all players wages to 5k a week. You don’t like it, go get a real job. No one off lump payments or bonuses either. I’d give all clubs and players advance notice that the second their current contract expires that is what will happen. Any new contracts drawn up = max 5k. I think 260k a year is enough for a sportsman. I would also cap transfer fees. I would also cap season tickets and gate tickets. And would ensure that bigger clubs or clubs with excess profit over a certain threshold pay into a pot which is there to help smaller clubs if they struggle during a crisis etc - and not I might stress for poor management I give it less than a year before The Premier League is ruined and a more normal league is created. |
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Post by ontheslate on Jun 8, 2023 7:30:36 GMT
I think a cap is the only sensible option, the money in the game at top level is ridiculous and unfortunately doesn’t work its way down, the gap in money between the premier and a league or two below is immense which normally means the same teams are promoted and relegated on a regular basis.
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Post by chopper on Jul 27, 2023 20:29:26 GMT
I only picked 3 - so far. Too much money, FIFA etc & travel hassle.
I rarely watch PL and watch Argyle as much as possible. I am hoping, despite not being a season ticket holder and the relatively short distance, that getting to games with major A30 work and train strikes doesn’t make it too much hassle, adding to hoping get tickets now they have gone up to the 2nd tier . Ticket prices are still well priced really, despite going up for the standard of football.
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Post by daz on Aug 11, 2023 22:32:01 GMT
I only picked 3 - so far. Too much money, FIFA etc & travel hassle. I rarely watch PL and watch Argyle as much as possible. I am hoping, despite not being a season ticket holder and the relatively short distance, that getting to games with major A30 work and train strikes doesn’t make it too much hassle, adding to hoping get tickets now they have gone up to the 2nd tier . Ticket prices are still well priced really, despite going up for the standard of football. Pretty much the same for me Chopper. Up here, football hasn't changed much in that it hasn't been overly commercialised. I have little knowledge of the EPL and Champions League and Internationals are just shyte and have no interest. Even more so since the international break became a thing and spoiling the flow of the proper game. It is relatively cheap to follow, compared to over the border and the players are fairly accessable. You can easily find them doing their shopping in local shops, which kids love. We also have a healthy support base and not a lot of plastic fans. The two things I would change is dump the Glasgow bigot brothers and their fans, (preferably at the bottom of the Atlantic) and VAR. I hate both with a passion. |
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Post by daz on Aug 11, 2023 22:37:21 GMT
You can still hurl abuse at players, just not be too big a dick about it
There is a guy sits behind us at Pittodrie and every game he throws out one or two lines at players which just crack everyone up. I've even seen some players, who are the victims of the abuse, look up and laugh.
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Post by hollandpark on Aug 15, 2023 9:54:15 GMT
Its the cost, honestly I couldnt afford to go Stamford Bridge thesedays, but Atletico Madrid have season tickets starting at 240 euros !!! So I am not sure what premiership teams excuses are for the prices.
Ironically Wealdstone FC season ticket , is more expensive than the cheapest Atletico Madrid season ticket.
In recent years I have lost a lot of interest in Premiership football and now like to follow South American football, it seems to be football from a bygone era ( sadly the firms and crowd trouble is still there) but the passion of the fans is incredible
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Post by jno on Aug 15, 2023 10:27:44 GMT
Its the cost, honestly I couldnt afford to go Stamford Bridge thesedays, but Atletico Madrid have season tickets starting at 240 euros !!! So I am not sure what premiership teams excuses are for the prices. Ironically Wealdstone FC season ticket , is more expensive than the cheapest Atletico Madrid season ticket. In recent years I have lost a lot of interest in Premiership football and now like to follow South American football, it seems to be football from a bygone era ( sadly the firms and crowd trouble is still there) but the passion of the fans is incredible That Wealdstone story sums it up, incredible! |
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Post by kelotoph on Aug 15, 2023 11:01:16 GMT
With the insane amounts of money changing hands in the professional game, couldn't the government introduce a tax payable on the headline amount of a transfer fee? I mean, they tax things like our insurance premiums (those of us that pay them), our fags and booze (those of us that indulge), our petrol (those of us that aren't virtuous cyclists  ). I know that all the clubs are probably registered offshore and that there are any number of ways a crooked competent accountant could get round it, but think of the money that could be spent on the usual "schools and hospitals" etc if a slice were to be creamed off football transfer fees. |
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Post by McCann on Aug 15, 2023 14:47:33 GMT
I believe in Germany your match ticket includes the public transport to get to and from the game.
I have been looking at going to a Bundesliga game and season tickets are cheap by comparison to England but there is still big demand for games and sold out stadia from what I can see.
Last time I looked into even a Championship club in England I heard tickets are hard to come by. I'd imagine you used to able to rock up to many first and most second division grounds with cash on the hip. Pre 2000.
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Post by hollandpark on Aug 16, 2023 16:36:42 GMT
Its the cost, honestly I couldnt afford to go Stamford Bridge thesedays, but Atletico Madrid have season tickets starting at 240 euros !!! So I am not sure what premiership teams excuses are for the prices. Ironically Wealdstone FC season ticket , is more expensive than the cheapest Atletico Madrid season ticket. In recent years I have lost a lot of interest in Premiership football and now like to follow South American football, it seems to be football from a bygone era ( sadly the firms and crowd trouble is still there) but the passion of the fans is incredible That Wealdstone story sums it up, incredible! Its insane isnt it, having said that I did actually book a couple tickets for Chelsea Legends v Bayern legends on September 9 at the bridge Will be the first time I have been back since 1998 looking forward to it they were £35 each, I should have been quicker off the mark as they were £20 tickets on sale two weeks ago but they sold out Still it will be nice to go back, and a good memory of the Minder episode when Terry goes to the bridge and Arthur makes the fake emergency call about Terrys mum dying and Terry missed the goal lol But by and large my footy attendance days are over, for a tenner a month I just sub to fanatiz and cheer on Boca Juniors and Internacional every Sunday night on my big screen telly |
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“Today I feel like taking a massive sports washing bribe in order to host the biggest sporting event on the planet in Qatar, and in the process mug off all the real fans and kill thousands of forced migrant workers for my own great benefit.”
). I know that all the clubs are probably registered offshore and that there are any number of ways a