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Post by jno on Sept 3, 2018 5:03:04 GMT
I think it’s just Cockney rhyming slang for party. I have been known to use that phrase myself on the odd occasion.
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Post by pr1 on Sept 3, 2018 12:58:38 GMT
I think it’s just Cockney rhyming slang for party. I have been known to use that phrase myself on the odd occasion. Any idea on it's origin?
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Post by jno on Sept 3, 2018 17:04:03 GMT
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Post by pr1 on Sept 3, 2018 17:12:28 GMT
Thanks jno. That is a very useful link.
I watched this for the second time last night and my opinion hasn't changed. I like the opening scenes with Terry and Arthur. Arthur has some great lines in this story but it goes downhill in the second half. I still don't like seeing Chisholm turned into a buffoon and feel the character and Patrick Malahide deserved a better exit from Minder.
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Post by johnnybear on Sept 27, 2018 17:42:13 GMT
I couldn't have ever guessed that this was Terry's final episode and sadly it's not even on Freemantle's Terry Years DVD set!!! Thank the stars I kept two of Clear vision's discs even if one of them has a Ray Daley episode on it! JB
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Post by jno on Jul 29, 2019 5:38:45 GMT
Press photo:
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Post by jno on Mar 4, 2020 20:35:34 GMT
Another photo of a bit of documentation for this episode, clearly showing the Wrotham Park location and a filming date.
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Post by yoyopickles on Mar 29, 2020 13:22:18 GMT
I have just realised something, when dave picks up Terry from Slough (maidstone) nick, he comes out wearing double denim and a t shirt, surely he did not wear this outfit to court?
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Post by yoyopickles on Mar 29, 2020 13:28:06 GMT
Arthur in a tweed jacket, checked shirt and a flat cap does not look right either!
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Post by yoyopickles on Mar 30, 2020 17:11:02 GMT
I have been known to use that phrase myself on the odd occasion. Any idea on it's origin? I think it was made up for the programme. Rhyming slang Consists of two words and you only say the first one, i.e "shovel and pick" =nick you just say "shovel" If it was a real slang, it would be more like "sherlock and moriaty" so, let's have a sherlock
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Post by gareth on May 10, 2020 16:06:00 GMT
Just catching up with this episode courtesy of minder.org on YouTube..
Thanks for pointing me in the right direction jno otherwise I would have completely overlooked this episode.
It’s a shame ITV4 don’t incorporate this in their schedule of repeats.
Cheers
GD
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Post by jno on May 10, 2020 16:18:02 GMT
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Post by gareth on May 10, 2020 21:23:16 GMT
After watching this particular episode of Minder what strikes me is Chisholm’s last hurrah....
He’s almost having a nervous breakdown towards the end of the episode when he realises his nemesis “ Arthur” is somehow involved..
This did make me laugh out loud.
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Post by nationalpelmet on Jun 17, 2020 4:43:39 GMT
Like most say, not a classic episode but some good moments. I’d be interested to know how the story changed as I think I’ve read somewhere that Tony Hoare wasn’t happy with the outcome. Love the funny walk Chisholm does when he gets out of the helicopter!
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Post by coyote on Jul 2, 2020 23:20:36 GMT
I looked forward to this at the time as Minder had finished in 1985 and it being brought back was a major TV event of the day. What a shame it was this dreadful OTT slapstick mess of an episode.
As a context - and despite a 3-year gap - the previous episode we fans had watched was 'Minder On The Orient Express' which IMO is an absolute masterpiece, and I guess it was kinda expected that that standard would be replicated. Instead we were given a ridiculous cartoon of an episode, Terry in the shovel, Charlie Chisholm no longer in the plod and a pathetic security guard etc etc. In other words everything we'd known for years totally changed, and a load of new situations that didn't even give the familiarity of the past.
It's a shame as most of the rest of S7 is of a very high standard and the guest stars work really well. But it didn't half put me off watching the upcoming episodes in case they were all like this one.
I think I've only ever seen this once since its first broadcast, it hadn't improved and I won't be rushing to watch it again. The nadir of Minder for me.
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Post by logie on Jul 3, 2020 6:19:26 GMT
Maybe give it another go, lecoyote?
I don't think id watched it since original broadcast, for the same reasons you outlined (and the comments from some on this thread); but as I had decided on a complete rewatch of all episodes I could no longer put this off if I wanted to move on to series 7 (I mean, I'm making the rules so I could have skipped it - but I'm a completist).
And it wasn't THAT bad, certainly not the cringe-fest I was expecting, watched through quivering hands. As a few have pointed out the first half is really quite decent in places, the cast is good - unlike some others I think Richard Briers is cast well as Colonel Kaplan, a borderline manic personality disorder type finding solace in playing at soldiers, this for me is the kind of role he excels at - and it is only in the last half-hour or so that it degenerates into the slapstick farce you alluded to above (it helps if you've poured yourself a stiff drink by this point).
I could live with Terry being inside, it makes for a plausible explanation as to the absence from our screens for so long. Much as we would like to think otherwise, Arthur is not a saint - generally doesn't treat Terry particularly well over the decade we see them together and the likelihood of Terry's luck running out & ending up 'in' is actually quite high. We only 'forgive' Arthur his sins because GC plays the part so well and it is testament to his acting skills that he can make such a character endearing.
But Arthur using Terry as a scapegoat to avoid a stretch himself? Totally believable, I'm afraid.
So, yes, I was pleasantly surprised that the episode wasn't quite the exercise in barrel scraping I had feared; onwards and upwards to S7 and a six-episode farewell to DW...
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Post by coyote on Jul 4, 2020 2:01:40 GMT
Maybe give it another go, lecoyote? I don't think id watched it since original broadcast, for the same reasons you outlined (and the comments from some on this thread); but as I had decided on a complete rewatch of all episodes I could no longer put this off if I wanted to move on to series 7 (I mean, I'm making the rules so I could have skipped it - but I'm a completist). And it wasn't THAT bad, certainly not the cringe-fest I was expecting, watched through quivering hands. As a few have pointed out the first half is really quite decent in places, the cast is good - unlike some others I think Richard Briers is cast well as Colonel Kaplan, a borderline manic personality disorder type finding solace in playing at soldiers, this for me is the kind of role he excels at - and it is only in the last half-hour or so that it degenerates into the slapstick farce you alluded to above (it helps if you've poured yourself a stiff drink by this point). I could live with Terry being inside, it makes for a plausible explanation as to the absence from our screens for so long. Much as we would like to think otherwise, Arthur is not a saint - generally doesn't treat Terry particularly well over the decade we see them together and the likelihood of Terry's luck running out & ending up 'in' is actually quite high. We only 'forgive' Arthur his sins because GC plays the part so well and it is testament to his acting skills that he can make such a character endearing. But Arthur using Terry as a scapegoat to avoid a stretch himself? Totally believable, I'm afraid. So, yes, I was pleasantly surprised that the episode wasn't quite the exercise in barrel scraping I had feared; onwards and upwards to S7 and a six-episode farewell to DW... So at logie's suggestion I bit the bullet, hid my head in my hands and watched it again. And he's right, it wasn't quite as bad as I'd feared... maybe it got better compared to modern-day TV or I got older or both Unfortunately it's still terrible - usually I like Richard Briers but I hate him here and all his army cronies are a dreadful cross between Dad's Army and a Where Eagles Dare parody. And fundamentally I just don't get it - why are they an army and what are they doing? The talk of changing everything is more James Bond than Minder and it seems that changing everything can be achieved by knocking off some gold bullion in a security van heist Charlie Chisholm's finale is unbefitting and I hate that Jones works for Rycott, which must have been strange given the filming order that Jones had been a DS taking the michael out of Ronnie for the episodes shot before this. I will stick with my vote as 2 out of 5, it does have a few funny moments but my recollection about it being so far from what we knew - for example Arthur that now has a big company employing people and drives a roller - is a million miles away from ducking and diving with knockoff video recorders off Fulham Broadway. And I guess it's that sort of thing that I didn't recognise in 1988 and still don't today. I also remember thinking at the time how old Terry looked, something which is brought out in the episode. I'd forgotten that it's Dave that gave Tel a bed and that although we always knew that Dave and Tel were close, here Dave is quite open about how dishonest Arthur is and doesn't invite him to Terry's release party. Which makes Arthur later becoming a (minor) shareholder in the Winchester even more odd. Leaving aside the MOTOE to this 'jump', I find it strange they'd already shot all of S7 - which was quite good - before this rubbish. And yet this was the lead-out episode. One last thing from tonight's rewatch - did anyone else think that when the captured Arthur said "Mr Kaplan" and Briers' character said "Call me Colonel" it was a reference to Elvis??? Oh, and I spotted what I think is a blooper - just before 22 minutes when Arthur and Terry are arguing at his warehouse you see what looks like a mic boom in shot high above Terry's shoulder as Arthur walks away from him towards the camera. After the close-up shots it cuts back to Terry and as he walks towards Arthur you see it being pulled out of shot above Terry.
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Post by jjmolloy on Jul 4, 2020 16:30:14 GMT
Oh, and I spotted what I think is a blooper - just before 22 minutes when Arthur and Terry are arguing at his warehouse you see what looks like a mic boom in shot high above Terry's shoulder as Arthur walks away from him towards the camera. After the close-up shots it cuts back to Terry and as he walks towards Arthur you see it being pulled out of shot above Terry. Will have to check that out!
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Post by heredia1 on Jul 13, 2020 18:15:29 GMT
My expectations were low as this episode was discussed in forums about other episodes, am afraid I would have to put it as the worst ever Terry episode. I am gutted to hear that Chisholm is not in series 7 as I was under the impression he was. Onwards now this week to the final 6 episodes with Terry
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Post by swainy on Jul 13, 2020 18:59:02 GMT
If it’s any consolation, the remainder of series seven is a lot better and includes a couple of my favourite episodes in the entire run.
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Post by westminster on Sept 20, 2020 8:38:51 GMT
I watched 'An Officer and a Car Salesman' last night with my dad and unfortunately we both thought it was poor. I know it was a 'special edition' but I think they tried to throw too much into it, I thought it was 'overacted' and, all in all, this episode ended up giving the impression of just trying too hard.
Plus, it just seems too 'detached' from Minder's backstreet roots. No west London street scenes; no 'lock up'; no Capri, no Jag; and Terry living in suburbia at Dave's place. None of that really worked for me.
I note somebody mentioned that this was the last episode with Dennis Waterman that filmed - and that figures because Terry just looks a bit too old for the role, and I've always thought Dennis did the right thing bailing out when he did.
The more I think about it, I prefer the earlier series. Minder, for me, is child of a late-70s. Leon Griffiths' original Minder novel was published on the basis of his experiences and observations in 1970s London and Series 1 was, as we know, filmed in '79.
Series 2 still has a very '70s feel to it to me as well, even though I know it was filmed in 1980 (for me, the 1980s didn't really start until the Falklands war. But that's a bit tangential).
An Officer and a Car Salesman is nearly ten years on and Austin Montegos and Terry with a paunch just doesn't quite do it for me. Sorry to be so negative, but this episode gets the thumbs down from me.
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Post by barrythebook on Sept 23, 2020 18:38:09 GMT
Good post Wm, I agree.
This was just a step too far imo, possibly to meet some requirements from the broadcasters? I don't know, but it wasn't the 'Minder' we were used to, that's for sure, almost seems like some criteria had to be met. /
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Post by westminster on Sept 23, 2020 19:41:03 GMT
To be honest, barry, I don't like being negative about Minder, especially anything from the Terry McCann era, because it was great television. But I think they got it wrong with this one. Basically, it was too detached from the traditional Euston Films ethos.
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Post by jno on Sept 29, 2020 2:59:36 GMT
I'm pretty sure this one's script was hacked to death and how this story ended up was not as originally intended. It's worth checking out the Daily Mail article elsewhere on this forum. This, coupled with Meic telling me "lots of pink pages by the end" plus Tony Hoare not writing again for Minder till series 10 = this story did not end up as Tony Hoare intended it.
As I mentioned earlier in the thread, I think the first bit of this story is actually ok, and it all goes wrong around 45 minutes in. Richard Briers also brings nothing to the episode and is a step too far down the slapstick route.
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Post by pr1 on Oct 12, 2020 3:19:32 GMT
Watched this for the third time tonight and enjoyed it less this time. It has never been a favorite of mine to begin with. It starts off great when Arthur visits Terry in prison but soon looses its way. I really hate the way Chisholm is handled in the episode. A weak start to the last year of Terry episodes.
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Post by ned on Oct 15, 2020 23:33:48 GMT
Watched this for the third time tonight and enjoyed it less this time. It has never been a favorite of mine to begin with. It starts off great when Arthur visits Terry in prison but soon looses its way. I really hate the way Chisholm is handled in the episode. A weak start to the last year of Terry episodes. As others have said, the most annoying thing about this episode is that it poisons the well ahead of series 7, which is a return to form after what I consider a disappointing series 6. There are some very good episodes in the last Terry series.
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Post by pr1 on Oct 16, 2020 20:03:15 GMT
Was there any significant change in the ratings from this to the regular season seven episodes? I guess in more general terms because ratings for this would have been effected by when it was originally broadcast. I can see more casual viewers being put off by this and not bothering or watching less often then regular episodes resumed. I can also see people being disappointed by this as a return of Minder, ‘I waited all that time for ths?’ someone had to have asked that.
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Post by richb on Nov 20, 2020 14:14:41 GMT
This has some funny bits in it but the story of Terry being back in prison is poor and shows very little respect to whats gone before it. Watched this for the third time tonight and enjoyed it less this time. It has never been a favorite of mine to begin with. It starts off great when Arthur visits Terry in prison but soon looses its way. I really hate the way Chisholm is handled in the episode. A weak start to the last year of Terry episodes. As others have said, the most annoying thing about this episode is that it poisons the well ahead of series 7, which is a return to form after what I consider a disappointing series 6. There are some very good episodes in the last Terry series. 100%
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Post by chopper on Jan 3, 2021 22:03:06 GMT
I really don’t remember this episode, like Orient Express, just not seen them more than once to comment and pass judgement
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Post by VAT on Mar 27, 2021 13:54:52 GMT
Also have some info on this episode...will post more soon...(Dennis Waterman Missing )
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