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Post by jno on Nov 29, 2020 13:18:54 GMT
Did the lad Peter appear in anything else or have an acting career? To this day, no one is really sure where he is, unless he's turned up elsewhere. I once made a concerted effort to track him down but it all ended up as guess work interrogating the electoral register. His mother was called Dorothy and they were both from Salford. Info from publicly available TV Times article:
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Post by wayne2467 on Nov 29, 2020 23:27:49 GMT
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Post by jno on Nov 30, 2020 6:31:52 GMT
I checked that out, it's incorrect. The animator Warren O'Neill was an American, as confirmed by someone else who worked with him.
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Post by nationalpelmet on Dec 7, 2020 23:02:22 GMT
That look of shame on Terry’s face after he’s thrown the two out of the club and turns to see Peter. Good bit of acting in my humble opinion. And then to lighten the mood, Arthur takes the leather ball right on the back of the trilby 🤣 One of the most brutal fights of the series at the end I reckon🤕
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Post by barrythebook on Dec 7, 2020 23:13:56 GMT
Arthur takes the leather ball right on the back of the trilby 🤣 One of the most brutal fights of the series at the end I reckon🤕 If you look closely, Arthurs hat already has a dent in it where i'd say the scene had been rehearsed but as you say - very funny . Yes, the fight, Terrys skill versus brute strength - there were some big hits in this one .
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Post by steve74 on Aug 4, 2021 18:51:55 GMT
Quite a departure from the usual Minder episodes, not so much wheeler dealers more a Minder's guide to good parenting. It's nice to have a change of pace in a show as long running as Minder but this has never been one of my favourites. Some scenes are too much like a sentimental drama for my liking, lacking the spark that makes Minder so good. On the plus side it's nice to see a different side to Terry and there are some moving scenes. I like seeing Terry spending time and building a relationship with Peter and it showcases Dennis Waterman's acting very well. The fight with Dicken Ashworth at the end is great. But too many scenes play out like a soap opera, making it, for me a well intentioned miss. 2.5 out of 5.
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Post by jjmolloy on Aug 4, 2021 21:52:12 GMT
Quite a departure from the usual Minder episodes, not so much wheeler dealers more a Minder's guide to good parenting. It's nice to have a change of pace in a show as long running as Minder but this has never been one of my favourites. Some scenes are too much like a sentimental drama for my liking, lacking the spark that makes Minder so good. On the plus side it's nice to see a different side to Terry and there are some moving scenes, especially the ending. I like seeing Terry spending time and building a relationship with Peter and it showcases Dennis Waterman's acting very well. The fight with Dicken Ashworth at the end is great. But too many scenes play out like a soap opera, making it, for me a well intentioned miss. 2.5 out of 5. Yes, even the slushy music at the end is an oddity for the show, bit of a knocked up of a Friday evening at 4.45pm feel about the episode. But enjoyable in parts, especially Arthur's attitude to it all.
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Post by kelotoph on Aug 24, 2021 12:57:50 GMT
A bit of a departure in style, this episode and Terry is the focus rather than Arthur. I have to say that I would rather watch a dodgy deal-based Minder episode than this one, even though there is a dodgy deal in the plot. The episode is too emotionally-based for my liking and like many others,I feel that the slow motion sequence at the end is vomit-inducing. The episode is not without its merits, though. The lad acting the part of Peter does very well and I enjoyed the highlighted nuances between northern and southern dialects. Favourite line for me was Arthur's, on entering the graffitied room at the pub "very Sistine".
Did anyone else notice the graffito outside the police station that said "TM was here 80"? Maybe that was Terry McCann??
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Post by jjmolloy on Feb 5, 2022 15:28:26 GMT
Think I spotted a blooper, at about the 15min mark, Terry lays some food on the table, Peter is talking to him from the couch, and as Terry sits down we see what looks like a furry boom mike on the extreme right edge of shot, it's moving slightly. With only two in the flat and both centre shot then unless Terry is taking in lodgers from Sesame Street then it's a mike!
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Post by Barrel on Feb 8, 2022 22:33:09 GMT
I liked this episode and I liked the ending.There were 2 decent punch ups in this episode.The boy really looked like Terry. Arthur seemed slightly unlikeable in this episode.
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Post by yoyopickles on Dec 1, 2022 11:49:44 GMT
I've never worked out why Terry went to all the trouble of sitting in his car,to wait and sum up Peter's step dad when he arrives,yet does not confront him until he is on the top of Terry's steps , giving a bloke twice his size and build the high ground advantage!
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Post by jjmolloy on Dec 1, 2022 13:49:32 GMT
I've never worked out why Terry went to all the trouble of sitting in his car,to wait and sum up Peter's step dad when he arrives,yet does not confront him until he is on the top of Terry's steps , giving a bloke twice his size and build the high ground advantage! The bigger they are the harder they fall!
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Post by yoyopickles on Dec 1, 2022 14:11:04 GMT
I've never worked out why Terry went to all the trouble of sitting in his car,to wait and sum up Peter's step dad when he arrives,yet does not confront him until he is on the top of Terry's steps , giving a bloke twice his size and build the high ground advantage! The bigger they are the harder they fall! yes they do, but to give a bloke that size the high ground was a bit silly,I mean he practically squashed Terry when he jump on him! If Terry had set up the fall,so he could dodge him as he fell I'd understand
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Post by McCann on Dec 2, 2022 9:09:43 GMT
I think Terry sussed him out and fancied his chances with one hand tied behind his back.
His speed and street fighting experience always likely to trump the bigger man's size maybe. Plus he wouldn't want to humiliate the other fella so it could balance things up.
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Post by westminster on Dec 2, 2022 12:27:27 GMT
I think Terry sussed him out and fancied his chances with one hand tied behind his back. His speed and street fighting experience always likely to trump the bigger man's size maybe. Plus he wouldn't want to humiliate the other fella so it could balance things up. One hand tied behind this back? More like Terry ended up going life and death with the big fella before he got the better of him. Schoolboy error from brother McCann confronting the bloke when standing at the bottom of the steps.
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Post by barrythebook on Dec 8, 2022 22:42:18 GMT
I reckon Terry waited in his car to
1, stop any imminent aggro happening around Peter and 2, he felt he had a better chance in the open rather than the confines of his flat which could sustain a lot of damage in the melee.
Giving away the upper ground is a good point, maybe Terry thought his opponent would walk down the steps and face-off from there? He possibly didn't realise he was up against a loose cannon.
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Post by mozzer33 on Mar 22, 2023 22:07:12 GMT
One thing that puzzles me is how did Beryl know where Terry lives? He said he knew her while he was boxing up north but surely he wasn't living in that flat then? I thought Arthur had sorted the flat for him when he got out of prison? It's briefly mentioned but never explained.
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Post by geoffc on Apr 18, 2023 9:55:06 GMT
I know others may disagree but I think this episode works well as a contrast to the more standard fare of Terry extricating Arthur from the consequences of doing a dodgy deal with a bunch of unsavoury characters and low-lifes. Isn’t there a saying in show business “never work with kids and animals “ – presumably from the risk of being upstaged. Dennis Waterman and Gennie Nevinson showed off their acting skills to perfection – the scenes with the lad seems natural , believable and full of affection. However beneath all the smiles I get the impression of all-round sadness and regret. In Terry’s case it’s knowing his lifestyle ( uncertain casual labour for cash in hand , one rental flat after another , one girlfriend after another , his criminal record ) has meant he has missed out on the conventional 9 to 5 job for steady wages , being married with kids, taking his son to his first football game , in a terraced house of his own in a decent part of town. Arthur for all his condescension and mockery had it right – It would never have worked. Beryl too – realising what might have been if Terry had stuck around, instead of ending up with a brute of a husband . I agree with those that think Beryl told a little white lie at the end – the tears in his and her eyes tell me Terry was the father after all. And lastly Peter himself looking on behind the curtains as Terry and Ronnie go head to head - I don’t know what the script or director intended but I read that look on his face as disappointment and sadness in the realisation that violence plays a part in nice Uncle Terry’s life as is does in his step-dads (although I accept from a completely different angle – but would that distinction be obvious to a kid ?). No shortage of sight gags and one –liners. Great scene with Arthur sidling along a hedge trying not to be seen whilst spying on the football kick-about with Terry, Peter & Penny - startling a squawking bird in the process, to round the corner to see all 3 three lined up waiting to greet him. Terry and Peter mucking about with oversized police helmets in the lockup. Anything for a few coppers ….. The look of distaste on Arthur’s face at the pub disco – all young hooligans and loud so-called music. A graffiti strewn toilet – Very Sistine ! Arthur hiding a the back of the crowd - observing the punch up in the street. Nothing to do with me! Terry reaching for his fridge to make a “butty” for Peter to find it’s rammed full of beer cans. No bread in sight ! One bit of slang I hadn’t heard before – ( wages ) for a few hour collar. The boys at Google think this comes from a horses collar rather than Cockney Rhyming slang . If you are “in collar” you are working - if not , you are out of work. The slo-mo ending was a bit odd – I guess it was intended as a bit of a mickey take of some Hollywood films , Butch Cassidy for example . It doesn’t quite come off.
4/5 – why not
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Post by barrythebook on Apr 18, 2023 19:49:24 GMT
Very good review geoff but I would disagree with your final point. I've always considered the slow motion ending together with the music was a view of Terry remembering the time he had spent with Peter, how he'd enjoyed having him around and possibly thinking about how different the past 10 or 12 years could have been. Terry mentioned to Beryl that he'd like to keep in touch and maybe take Peter out every now and then. I wonder if it could have worked having Peter as another semi-regular character?
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Post by azza200 on Apr 18, 2023 22:03:53 GMT
Nah having Peter show up for random episodes would not of worked IMO and if that had of happened they would of been weak episodes like this one.
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Post by ontheslate on Apr 19, 2023 5:40:30 GMT
Although actors reappeared in minder I can’t think of any guest characters appearing twice through any of the series. Bringing the young boy back I don’t think would have worked this episode had a totally different feel to to others and although not a bad episode didn’t really fit with the series in my opinion. A quick edit I think Rose Mellor appeared twice but can’t think of anymore.
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Post by swainy on Apr 19, 2023 10:36:06 GMT
Jack (Rose’s minder) Maurice, Scotch Harry, Justine, Des, Penny, Debbie, Arnie, Gloria, Ray’s Mum & Dad. Probably a few more that I’ve missed.
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Post by ontheslate on Apr 19, 2023 10:53:01 GMT
I wouldn’t consider the mechanics and girlfriends as guest stars as although didn’t appear much they were more recurring. I forgot about Maurice and couldn’t remember Rose’s minders name can’t believe I forgot Scotch Harry though. It’s a pity some of the guest stars didn’t make more appearances.
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Post by swainy on Apr 19, 2023 13:29:57 GMT
There’s not much I moan about in regards to Minder but it would have been great if more of the characters would have made more appearances or at least be mentioned more.
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Post by barrythebook on Apr 19, 2023 20:08:11 GMT
There’s not much I moan about in regards to Minder but it would have been great if more of the characters would have made more appearances or at least be mentioned more. I agree. Even though Minder was a series of separate stories, i think it would have been good to have a few lines of continuity. Characters appearing more than once or at least being referred to in subsequent episodes as well as specific events being talked about from previous episodes would have been a nice touch imo.
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Post by 615 on Apr 20, 2023 7:19:34 GMT
The trouble with the same characters appearing in more episodes is that the writers all own the copyright to characters that they created. One writer is not going to be happy about another 'half inching' his creation. It is a shame that either a smaller stable of writers maybe couldn't have been used or that Euston couldn't have done a deal for ownership of the rights. But you've got to remember that the idea of fans discussing the episodes like we do well over 40 years later would have been unthinkable at the time.
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Post by jno on May 27, 2023 14:08:52 GMT
Press photo:
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Post by ltd on May 27, 2023 16:03:26 GMT
Very good review geoff but I would disagree with your final point. I've always considered the slow motion ending together with the music was a view of Terry remembering the time he had spent with Peter, how he'd enjoyed having him around and possibly thinking about how different the past 10 or 12 years could have been. I think it could also be interpreted as a kind of fantasy sequence - a different life for Terry where he's a happy family man, rather than the edgier existence he actually has, courtesy of Arthur.
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Post by Vic Piner on Jan 29, 2024 14:46:51 GMT
One of my least favourite episodes this. One thing I found a little bit strange is the fact that the kid is said to have come from Warrington. Yet the actor who played him, Warren O’Neil, has a very distinctive Salford accent. Maybe that’s where he grew up because people in Bury do not speak like that.
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Post by jno on Jan 30, 2024 5:56:53 GMT
Jack (Rose’s minder) Maurice, Scotch Harry, Justine, Des, Penny, Debbie, Arnie, Gloria, Ray’s Mum & Dad. Probably a few more that I’ve missed. Honourable mention for Norman Gibbons, the original and first character that appears in the series twice, the one everybody forgets, he's not in this one though.
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