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Post by barrythebook on Jun 5, 2020 20:30:07 GMT
How many times does Tel get into a scrap on Arthur's behalf, only to pocket a tenner or a score while Arthur sits on a century plus? Good point logie. If Terry got the hump every time Arthur took advantage of him, Minder wouldn't have made it past series 1
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Post by nationalpelmet on Nov 24, 2020 20:53:07 GMT
Another good one. I often think the earlier episodes are maybe a bit more gritty but there is still some good humour. Love the bit where Debbie stands beside Arthur starkers and he doesn’t know where to look ! Not to mention how fraught he gets behind the switch ! And Terry goes and gets an earner from the registration plate.
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Post by barrythebook on Nov 25, 2020 16:10:59 GMT
I often think the earlier episodes are maybe a bit more gritty but there is still some good humour. Yes, I think the first 2 series ,especially, had quite a raw edge to them, which I love. This is the Minder I enjoy the most.
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Post by kelotoph on Mar 29, 2021 17:54:39 GMT
Enjoyed this episode today - don't think I'd seen it before. Very entertaining, although I guessed the villain quite early on. Absolutely loved the beat-up Austin Cambridge, surely one of the worst cars to feature in the series. Like many others have said, the scene where Debbie stands starkers beside Arthur is a real gem! One thing got me wondering - how many Players No 6 would £1 buy you in 1979?
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Post by bigaitch on Apr 1, 2021 21:52:34 GMT
Enjoyed this episode today - don't think I'd seen it before. Very entertaining, although I guessed the villain quite early on. Absolutely loved the beat-up Austin Cambridge, surely one of the worst cars to feature in the series. Like many others have said, the scene where Debbie stands starkers beside Arthur is a real gem! One thing got me wondering - how many Players No 6 would £1 buy you in 1979? Really good episode I watched it this evening and don’t recall having seen it before. As previously stated some great parts in this one, the best being Diana Malins! Arthur’s reaction when he realises she is naked is hilarious as is his attempts at running the cab office. From memory (I worked in a petrol station after school in 1979) a pack of 20 No 6 was about 65p. Rothmans, B&H, Embassy etc were a little more pricey at about 70p a pack....I only recall this as I had a little racket going that Arthur would have been proud of. Packs of fags used to find their way into my possession and were sold on at very generous rates at school....Another lad in my year had a paper round and he had a good line in magazines from the ‘Top shelf’ and many a time a pack of 20 Bensons was traded for a copy of Fiesta....
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Post by jjmolloy on Apr 7, 2021 0:25:14 GMT
Caught this overnight on ITV4, almost forgot just how excellent it is. Minder from these years is often a time capsule of social history, London of 1979/80 was unbelievably dilapidated in places, two in particular stands out. The street where the 2 yobbos let the handbrake off when Terry is buying smokes in the shop, and Barry's place when Tel drives him home, the then and now shots in the episode locations guide are astounding. I arrived in London for the first time in 1982 and even in that 3 years I think there was an improvement. Course it would go too much the other way then. I preferred it when the architecture was more 'come as you are' #1.8 Come In T-64 ,Your Time Is Ticking Away - Filming Locations
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Post by barrythebook on Apr 7, 2021 11:30:09 GMT
Agreed jj. I think that well into the 70s there were parts of the city that still hadn't been reconstructed from the bombings in WW2, the sites had ben cleared but not redeveloped. A couple of interior shots that we see during the earlier series, namely Scotch Harrys bedsit, Incapables bedsit and Terry's Grans kitchen, always surprise me as to how basic and old they look with a definite lack of modern appliances etc. Then we also see places like Rose Mellors' house, Bobby Altmans residence which makes me think there was certainly a big divide in standards of living.
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Post by jjmolloy on Apr 7, 2021 14:06:23 GMT
Agreed jj. I think that well into the 70s there were parts of the city that still hadn't been reconstructed from the bombings in WW2, the sites had ben cleared but not redeveloped. A couple of interior shots that we see during the earlier series, namely Scotch Harrys bedsit, Incapables bedsit and Terry's Grans kitchen, always surprise me as to how basic and old they look with a definite lack of modern appliances etc. Then we also see places like Rose Mellors' house, Bobby Altmans residence which makes me think there was certainly a big divide in standards of living. Yes, 100% true. Also noticed when Tel was driving in this one he had no seatbelt, were they mandatory then? He was doing it for real as the camera shot was from the back seat side on.
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Post by swainy on Apr 7, 2021 14:18:46 GMT
I don’t think that it became compulsory to wear a seat belt until 83.
I remember that my first car (a D reg Fiesta Popular) was recalled to have rear seat belts fitted.
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Post by McCann on Apr 7, 2021 16:08:53 GMT
Yes, the social history is very interesting and why I've always really liked the feel of series 1 in particular. Although in this episode the young cab driver explains how tough it is to get by and pay the rent, so that pressure was always there even before the areas got 'yuppified' in the 80s. The UK economy was going through a tough spell really until 1982/83, with high inflation and rising unemployment. It was also just three years since the IMF had been in, and 1979 also had the second oil crisis that hit globally.
You had the the Boys from the Blackstuff at this time, and that is cheerily grim as well.
You could say the same about locations in 'The Long Good Friday' and the Sweeney had plenty of rough and ready abodes, great atmosphere to the streets at that time compared to now.
So tough times, but a lot of people were happy, we were all less materialistic in general back then.
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Post by jjmolloy on Apr 7, 2021 16:34:33 GMT
Yes, the social history is very interesting and why I've always really liked the feel of series 1 in particular. Although in this episode the young cab driver explains how tough it is to get by and pay the rent, so that pressure was always there even before the areas got 'yuppified' in the 80s. The UK economy was going through a tough spell really until 1982/83, with high inflation and rising unemployment. It was also just three years since the IMF had been in, and 1979 also had the second oil crisis that hit globally. You had the the Boys from the Blackstuff at this time, and that is cheerily grim as well. You could say the same about locations in 'The Long Good Friday' and the Sweeney had plenty of rough and ready abodes, great atmosphere to the streets at that time compared to now. So tough times, but a lot of people were happy, we were all less materialistic in general back then. Yes, very good points, all correct, didn't hear much about people being unhappy back then, just got on with it.
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Post by jjmolloy on Apr 7, 2021 16:35:44 GMT
I don’t think that it became compulsory to wear a seat belt until 83. I remember that my first car (a D reg Fiesta Popular) was recalled to have rear seat belts fitted. Wow, that's amazing. Though I'm not a youngster, I didn't know there was a recall.
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Post by steve99 on May 18, 2021 11:31:39 GMT
Debbie must have a rude tattoo on her tummy as when she walks over to the window Arthur looks down and exclaims: "Oh my Good Gawd!"
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Post by coyote on Jan 26, 2022 21:54:58 GMT
Great episode, one of the best in S1. And I had an A-Z like most people did when I arrived in London in the mid-90s Whenever I see this one I always think "Julie Walters" for the drunken old lady rather than Daphne Anderson - I know it's not of course but the similarity to JW's "old woman" characters is striking. The lady who didn't order a cab at number 246 is Vicki Woolf who was one of the girls taking a swim with Roy Castle, Terry Scott, Peter Butterworth and Charlie Hawtrey at the Khasi's place in 'Carry On Up The Khyber'. Not so sure about the ragtime-style music, reminiscent of 'Golden Fleece', where for some reason I minded it less. That sort of thing is better left to 'The Sting'...
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Post by Barrel on Jan 29, 2022 20:44:48 GMT
This is one of the 4 in series 1 I hadnt seen.I've been on a mission to 'complete' Minder since mid November.
An enjoyable hour seeing this but I found it odd that Arthur is a prude upon hearing Terry and Debbie had been at it "in the car" " and "in open daylight".Later he recoils in horror " oh my good gawd" when Debbie joins them at the window and is partially dressed.
Obviously the writers were " working out" Arthur's character but a couple of episodes either side he's fumbling with a young girl half his age in his Jaguar! And later than that lusting after the Greek restaraunt owner lol.
Im glad they finally settled on Arthur's character after series 1!
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Post by plasticpenguin on Jan 30, 2022 10:24:35 GMT
Quite like this episode on number of levels: Des writing out a dodgy MOT for a car that's only fit for scrapyard on the Wold; the first time you see the lovely Debbie; Terry takes a drunk in the old banger; Arthur has a melt down in the office of Candy Cabs....
Favourite scene:
Arthur's reaction when Debbie walks over to the window starkers. Classic
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Post by westminster on Jan 30, 2022 12:33:55 GMT
This is one of the 4 in series 1 I hadnt seen.I've been on a mission to 'complete' Minder since mid November. An enjoyable hour seeing this but I found it odd that Arthur is a prude upon hearing Terry and Debbie had been at it "in the car" " and "in open daylight".Later he recoils in horror " oh my good gawd" when Debbie joins them at the window and is partially dressed. Obviously the writers were " working out" Arthur's character but a couple of episodes either side he's fumbling with a young girl half his age in his Jaguar! And later than that lusting after the Greek restaraunt owner lol.
Im glad they finally settled on Arthur's character after series 1!Yes, I agree. I'm not keen on the lecherous Arthur Daley chasing young skirt - although that was what he was like in Leon Griffiths original Minder novel. Personally, I prefer the more prudish Arthur we see later on. That's the only thing I dislike about the earlier series. Otherwise I like the more gritty style of S1 and 2 and the general shabbiness of London circa 1979/80.
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Post by westminster on Jan 30, 2022 12:42:20 GMT
Yes, the social history is very interesting and why I've always really liked the feel of series 1 in particular. Although in this episode the young cab driver explains how tough it is to get by and pay the rent, so that pressure was always there even before the areas got 'yuppified' in the 80s. The UK economy was going through a tough spell really until 1982/83, with high inflation and rising unemployment. It was also just three years since the IMF had been in, and 1979 also had the second oil crisis that hit globally. You had the the Boys from the Blackstuff at this time, and that is cheerily grim as well. You could say the same about locations in 'The Long Good Friday' and the Sweeney had plenty of rough and ready abodes, great atmosphere to the streets at that time compared to now. So tough times, but a lot of people were happy, we were all less materialistic in general back then. Minder is brilliant entertainment but I also view the show - and others of the time - as social history. To me, the years that straddle the 1970s and '80s, circa 1978-1981, have always been a fascinating time in terms of politics, fashion, music, television and so much else. There was so much going on, it was a time when Britain was in a period of flux and struggle. At the dawn of a different era. It's my favourite period of time. For many reasons.
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Post by Barrel on Jan 30, 2022 19:26:18 GMT
Yes, the social history is very interesting and why I've always really liked the feel of series 1 in particular. Although in this episode the young cab driver explains how tough it is to get by and pay the rent, so that pressure was always there even before the areas got 'yuppified' in the 80s. The UK economy was going through a tough spell really until 1982/83, with high inflation and rising unemployment. It was also just three years since the IMF had been in, and 1979 also had the second oil crisis that hit globally. You had the the Boys from the Blackstuff at this time, and that is cheerily grim as well. You could say the same about locations in 'The Long Good Friday' and the Sweeney had plenty of rough and ready abodes, great atmosphere to the streets at that time compared to now. So tough times, but a lot of people were happy, we were all less materialistic in general back then. Minder is brilliant entertainment but I also view the show - and others of the time - as social history. To me, the years that straddle the 1970s and '80s, circa 1978-1981, have always been a fascinating time in terms of politics, fashion, music, television and so much else. There was so much going on, it was a time when Britain was in a period of flux and struggle. At the dawn of a different era. It's my favourite period of time. For many reasons. Couldn't agree more mate.Im fascinated by the era. To a great extent because the years 78-83 form my earliest living memories bring born in 1974 in West London. What i wouldnt give to have been born 10 or 15 years earlier to have experienced it properly...everything the music...the fashion and comedy and politics was changing too...there was change on so many fronts....Early Minder is a perfect time capsule...and it nails the times perfectly
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Post by westminster on Jan 31, 2022 10:35:15 GMT
Minder is brilliant entertainment but I also view the show - and others of the time - as social history. To me, the years that straddle the 1970s and '80s, circa 1978-1981, have always been a fascinating time in terms of politics, fashion, music, television and so much else. There was so much going on, it was a time when Britain was in a period of flux and struggle. At the dawn of a different era. It's my favourite period of time. For many reasons. Couldn't agree more mate.Im fascinated by the era. To a great extent because the years 78-83 form my earliest living memories bring born in 1974 in West London. What i wouldnt give to have been born 10 or 15 years earlier to have experienced it properly...everything the music...the fashion and comedy and politics was changing too...there was change on so many fronts....Early Minder is a perfect time capsule...and it nails the times perfectly I became a teenager towards the end of the 1970s so can remember that time pretty well. 1979 in particular is a vivid memory. On one hand, the music and fashion and the whole 'youth scene' was great - and the charts were just brilliant providing the soundtrack to the end of the decade. I can remember so-called Winter of Discontent and then being in London that spring and all those 'Labour isn't Working' Saatchi and Saatchi posters all over the place, and Mrs Thatcher then sweeping to power in the May, and giving that (in)famous Prayer of St. Francis speech outside 10 Downing Street. Even as a teenager I could tell something significant was going on, that one era was drawing to a close and another was beginning. That time (late-70s/early-80s) was tremendously bleak in some ways - football hooliganism, inner-city riots, IRA bombings, inflation, industrial decline, unemployment, etc. But it was also a really creative time in terms of music and popular culture, and watching early episodes of Minder always takes me back to that time. A period of flux in so many ways.
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Post by azza200 on Jan 31, 2022 11:01:40 GMT
Even though I was born in 1986 as I have got older and watched tv shows like Minder,The Sweeney, The Professionals I do find it interesting seeing what London was like back then and comparing it too the same locations now. How areas either change beyond recognition buildings being demolished road layouts changing etc
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Post by jjmolloy on Jan 31, 2022 15:30:29 GMT
Couldn't agree more mate.Im fascinated by the era. To a great extent because the years 78-83 form my earliest living memories bring born in 1974 in West London. What i wouldnt give to have been born 10 or 15 years earlier to have experienced it properly...everything the music...the fashion and comedy and politics was changing too...there was change on so many fronts....Early Minder is a perfect time capsule...and it nails the times perfectly I became a teenager towards the end of the 1970s so can remember that time pretty well. 1979 in particular is a vivid memory. On one hand, the music and fashion and the whole 'youth scene' was great - and the charts were just brilliant providing the soundtrack to the end of the decade. I can remember so-called Winter of Discontent and then being in London that spring and all those 'Labour isn't Working' Saatchi and Saatchi posters all over the place, and Mrs Thatcher then sweeping to power in the May, and giving that (in)famous Prayer of St. Francis speech outside 10 Downing Street. Even as a teenager I could tell something significant was going on, that one era was drawing to a close and another was beginning. That time (late-70s/early-80s) was tremendously bleak in some ways - football hooliganism, inner-city riots, IRA bombings, inflation, industrial decline, unemployment, etc. But it was also a really creative time in terms of music and popular culture, and watching early episodes of Minder always takes me back to that time. A period of flux in so many ways. People just got on with things in those days though.
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Post by barrythebook on Jan 31, 2022 20:42:10 GMT
I found it odd that Arthur is a prude upon hearing Terry and Debbie had been at it "in the car" " and "in open daylight".Later he recoils in horror I don't know if it's Arthur being a prude tbh, i think it's more a case of a hint of jealousy creeping in. When Arthur realises that Terry didn't 'oblige it' in the car, a smug grin appears on Arthurs face and his attitude changes to more relaxed again. Although I can't recall the particular episodes, Arthur has shown this trait towards Terrys conquests with other women too.
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Post by Barrel on Feb 1, 2022 23:42:37 GMT
I found it odd that Arthur is a prude upon hearing Terry and Debbie had been at it "in the car" " and "in open daylight".Later he recoils in horror I don't know if it's Arthur being a prude tbh, i think it's more a case of a hint of jealousy creeping in. When Arthur realises that Terry didn't 'oblige it' in the car, a smug grin appears on Arthurs face and his attitude changes to more relaxed again. Although I can't recall the particular episodes, Arthur has shown this trait towards Terrys conquests with other women too. I actually put the dvd back on to rewatch the scene and i now see what you describe lol :-) Thanks for that Barry! The subtleties of early Arthur are amusing. I read a quote from the novel where he says " Terry's handy but his problem is ambition....he doesn't have a brain for ambition".
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Post by coyote on Feb 2, 2022 13:15:00 GMT
I found it odd that Arthur is a prude upon hearing Terry and Debbie had been at it "in the car" " and "in open daylight".Later he recoils in horror I don't know if it's Arthur being a prude tbh, i think it's more a case of a hint of jealousy creeping in. When Arthur realises that Terry didn't 'oblige it' in the car, a smug grin appears on Arthurs face and his attitude changes to more relaxed again. Although I can't recall the particular episodes, Arthur has shown this trait towards Terrys conquests with other women too. The end of 'Senior Citizen Caine' springs to mind when Arthur asks Terry if he "obliged" both Cecil's daughter and d-i-l, "Both of them? At the same time? Are you... tired?"
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Post by 615 on Jun 28, 2022 22:21:51 GMT
Just been watching Alfred Burke tonight playing Frank Marker (Public Eye) Don't want to get heavy here, but I really think we've got to thank TPTV for allowing us to see really good programmes which buried in the archives and never shown because the schedulers think there's no profit to be made from them. The tragedy could have been that we could have missed how these brilliant actors (Ray Smith years ahead of Spikings in Dempsey and Makepeace) developed their craft
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Post by metro1962 on Nov 8, 2022 23:22:21 GMT
Just watched this ep tonight and still funny. Diana Malin's wobbly bits "Oh My" and Arthur left alone in the office doing the phones after Kevin jacks it in.
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Post by minderfan84 on Nov 11, 2022 12:47:36 GMT
I found it odd that Arthur is a prude upon hearing Terry and Debbie had been at it "in the car" " and "in open daylight".Later he recoils in horror I don't know if it's Arthur being a prude tbh, i think it's more a case of a hint of jealousy creeping in. When Arthur realises that Terry didn't 'oblige it' in the car, a smug grin appears on Arthurs face and his attitude changes to more relaxed again. Although I can't recall the particular episodes, Arthur has shown this trait towards Terrys conquests with other women too. He is definitely jealous you can tell and he does it a few times in other episodes too
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Post by minderfan84 on Nov 11, 2022 12:48:36 GMT
and Arthur left alone in the office doing the phones after Kevin jacks it in. Hilarious that the panic on his face
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Post by rycottsraincoat on Nov 21, 2022 16:35:50 GMT
A good episode from S1, cracking dialogue including: "Candy Cabs" ...punter puts phone down This happens twice before Kevin simply says "P*** off"! Better watched than described!
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