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Post by Arch Stanton on Nov 5, 2017 14:28:53 GMT
This latest Death Match concerns British ventriloquism through the ages.
Who's your favourite act from this bunch of dummies?
I've added a few videos to help you decide who to pick from the 10 listed.
Apart from that there's no strings attached, so enjoy..
As suggested by Alexander of Abonoteichus.
Pick 2.
1) Ray Alan
2) Peter Brough
3) Bob Carolgees
4) Nina Conti
5) Roger De Courcey
6) Keith Harris
7) Steve Hewlett
8) Terri Rogers
9) Dennis Spicer
10) Arthur Worsley
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Post by Arch Stanton on Nov 5, 2017 14:58:50 GMT
I voted for Worsley and Rogers.
Both seemed to include a certain meanstreak and level of insanity to their performances which appealed to me.
Nina Conti and Ray Alan weren't far behind though. Alan in particular seems effortless in his performance.
I think Conti's face mask thing is inspired. Not too sure about her Grandma and Monkey though. I've not that seen much of them.
Although Carolgees doesn't actually do any 'talking', I think he really communicates via Spit the Dog. The character certainly coming to life. It's very well done.
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Post by ace5150 on Nov 5, 2017 15:17:54 GMT
Keith Harris in his later years looked like Ben Dover. Erm, so I "heard"  |
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Post by jno on Nov 6, 2017 4:50:26 GMT
Keith Harris in his later years looked like Ben Dover. As Arthur Daley once said to Terry McCann "Trust you to bring things down to the level of the gutter".  Meanwhile, back in the land of ventriloquism discussion, how anyone cannot vote for Ray Alan is a mystery to me - he is utterly superb. I am glad to see Arch has at least conceded that Carolgees is not actually a ventriloquist and by strict definition of the term (as per Oxford English dictionary) is NOT: A person, especially an entertainer, who can make their voice appear to come from somewhere else, typically a dummy of a person or animal. Source: en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/ventriloquistThus, Bob Carolgees is about as much as ventriloquist as either my goldfish or I am and consequently should be disregarded from this vote. As an entertainer though, he is indeed excellent. As for Roger De Courcey ... for me he's the worst of the lot. Even as a kid I thought he was naff as you saw his north & south moving around. Conti & Hewlett are superb but for me it's Ray Alan and Keith Harris all the way. |
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Post by Arch Stanton on Nov 6, 2017 7:23:57 GMT
Keith Harris in his later years looked like Ben Dover. As Arthur Daley once said to Terry McCann "Trust you to bring things down to the level of the gutter". Meanwhile, back in the land of ventriloquism discussion, how anyone cannot vote for Ray Alan is a mystery to me - he is utterly superb. I am glad to see Arch has at least conceded that Carolgees is not actually a ventriloquist and by strict definition of the term (as per Oxford English dictionary) is NOT: A person, especially an entertainer, who can make their voice appear to come from somewhere else, typically a dummy of a person or animal. Source: en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/ventriloquistThus, Bob Carolgees is about as much as ventriloquist as either my goldfish or I am and consequently should be disregarded from this vote. As an entertainer though, he is indeed excellent. As for Roger De Courcey ... for me he's the worst of the lot. Even as a kid I thought he was naff as you saw his north & south moving around. Conti & Hewlett are superb but for me it's Ray Alan and Keith Harris all the way. Ray Alan was next level. He's really impressive. A class act. Seemingly effortless. I agree De Courcey wasn't my cup of tea either. Then again I didn't care much for Harris either though. I hear what you say about Carolgees. I am fully aware that 'ventriloquism' means something like 'talking from the stomach' in ancient Greek. Sadly though as Death Match Overlord I don't have time to care, I'm too busy looking good. All options were considered and I wanted Carolgees in the mix. So he's in there with Spit The Dog stealing votes. |
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Post by Arch Stanton on Nov 6, 2017 7:46:31 GMT
Roger was always a lousy artist, but at the moment he's joint leading with Alan and that cheat Carolgees!
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Post by plasticpenguin on Nov 6, 2017 9:04:21 GMT
Can only pick one (Spit the dog)but these dummies scare the c##p out of me. I genuinely have a phobia with ventriloquist dummies, as I do with wax human-like manikins.
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Post by Arch Stanton on Nov 6, 2017 9:16:34 GMT
And Spit The Dog takes the lead (pun intended)..
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Post by plasticpenguin on Nov 6, 2017 10:10:50 GMT
And Spit The Dog takes the lead (pun intended).. Arch. You really have missed a trick. Why no Larry?  |
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Post by jno on Nov 6, 2017 10:52:52 GMT
And Spit The Dog takes the lead (pun intended).. Next death match is worst joke ever posted on this forum - this post is a candidate. I can't believe Carolgees and De Courcey are even being mentioned in the same discussion as Ray Alan. |
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Post by Arch Stanton on Nov 6, 2017 14:06:50 GMT
And Spit The Dog takes the lead (pun intended).. Next death match is worst joke ever posted on this forum - this post is a candidate. I can't believe Carolgees and De Courcey are even being mentioned in the same discussion as Ray Alan. Not according to the Poll Voters on this forum so far. Carolgees is the people's favourite. |
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Post by plasticpenguin on Nov 6, 2017 15:09:29 GMT
Indeed. Stuff the others up one's archipelago. Clearly few are familiar with Tiswas. Spit rules  |
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Post by KarinB on Nov 7, 2017 11:03:44 GMT
I can't vote as I've never seen or heard of any of these people. Scary dolls !  I wouldn't be able to sleep if one of these silent partners was in the same room as me or even in a cupboard nearby.   |
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Post by jno on Nov 7, 2017 11:32:00 GMT
Scary dolls |
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Post by Arch Stanton on Nov 7, 2017 13:59:54 GMT
I can't vote as I've never seen or heard of any of these people. Scary dolls ! I wouldn't be able to sleep if one of these silent partners was in the same room as me or even in a cupboard nearby. Nevererd is no excuse! That's why I included instructional videos. A lot of em on the list above don't even have human dolls. A dog, a monkey, a bear. They are all in there. At the very least check out Nina Conti, Karin. You'll like her. She even does an Australian accent in the clip I included.. Make you feel at home. In fact I am gob smacked that Nina hasn't had a single vote.. Yet De Courcey has a couple. |
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Post by plasticpenguin on Nov 7, 2017 14:05:17 GMT
I can't vote as I've never seen or heard of any of these people. Scary dolls ! I wouldn't be able to sleep if one of these silent partners was in the same room as me or even in a cupboard nearby. Phew! So I'm not alone. Give me creepy crawlies, snakes, spiders... no issues. But dummies... eek, can't handle that. Honestly get sweaty palms and come out in a cold flush...and nightmares. |
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Post by jno on Nov 8, 2017 7:36:20 GMT
In fact I am gob smacked that Nina hasn't had a single vote.. Yet De Courcey has a couple. For once in my life I will agree with Arch Stanton - No votes for Nina and De Courcey racing up the charts is a crime against talent. Here is his New Faces appearance 1976: Remove the _ if you want to see his lips move: _https://youtu.be/TVYmUw-479E?t=3m25s |
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Post by ace5150 on Nov 8, 2017 10:08:09 GMT
De Courcy stole a living. His dummy was a novelty, but his bushy moustache couldn't disguise his lips moving.
His acidic put down of skater John Curry at an awards ceremony was disgusting. I believe the public turned against him over that snide remark.
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Post by fordcapri on Nov 8, 2017 12:06:37 GMT
I'll have to say Bob Carolgees - but purely because of watching him and Spit the Dog on TISWAS in the 70s.
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Post by thecraftyleek on Nov 10, 2017 4:51:52 GMT
Nina Conti. I saw that Live at the Apollo on TV first time around and thought it was the funniest thing I’d seen in years.
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Post by KarinB on Nov 11, 2017 2:37:43 GMT
Nevererd is no excuse! That's why I included instructional videos. A lot of em on the list above don't even have human dolls. A dog, a monkey, a bear. They are all in there. At the very least check out Nina Conti, Karin. You'll like her. She even does an Australian accent in the clip I included.. Make you feel at home. In fact I am gob smacked that Nina hasn't had a single vote.. Yet De Courcey has a couple. Nina Conti doesn't do an Aussie accent but she does drag a Scott from Melbourne up on stage. She is very talented. The only ventriloquist I have actually seen is David Strassman. He has had a huge career with his 'dolls'. I took my son to see him with Teddy a few years ago. He has a kid friendly show and an adults show. Every kid who leaves the show wants their own 'Teddy' bear sold conveniently in the theatre foyer. Marketing genius. Yes I bought one.   |
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Post by Arch Stanton on Nov 11, 2017 6:57:35 GMT
Nevererd is no excuse! That's why I included instructional videos. A lot of em on the list above don't even have human dolls. A dog, a monkey, a bear. They are all in there. At the very least check out Nina Conti, Karin. You'll like her. She even does an Australian accent in the clip I included.. Make you feel at home. In fact I am gob smacked that Nina hasn't had a single vote.. Yet De Courcey has a couple. Nina Conti doesn't do an Aussie accent but she does drag a Scott from Melbourne up on stage. She is very talented. The only ventriloquist I have actually seen is David Strassman. He has had a huge career with his 'dolls'. I took my son to see him with Teddy a few years ago. He has a kid friendly show and an adults show. Every kid who leaves the show wants their own 'Teddy' bear sold conveniently in the theatre foyer. Marketing genius. Yes I bought one. Without researching him, is he the ventriloquist that has the possessed doll. If so I've seen him perform on TV a couple of times. He's very good. An American. If it's the same one I'm thinking of he has a very brief cameo in Humanoids From The Deep. |
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Post by KarinB on Nov 16, 2017 12:59:03 GMT
Without researching him, is he the ventriloquist that has the possessed doll. If so I've seen him perform on TV a couple of times. He's very good. An American. If it's the same one I'm thinking of he has a very brief cameo in Humanoids From The Deep. He has a doll called Chuck who is always mean and rude. He has done a possessed routine. I must have missed that movie 'gem'. |
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Post by jno on Dec 19, 2017 7:07:46 GMT
As it is clear there is a massive support for Spit The Dog on here, here is "Spit's Bit" - a mini comic strip from TV TOPS magazine, November 14th 1981 ... utter nonsense (which means it should go down a treat on this forum).  |
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Post by chopper on Dec 19, 2017 20:08:13 GMT
None, I always found them a Bitcoin creepy.....
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Post by thewoodster on Mar 10, 2018 23:29:54 GMT
I watched the Louis therouex documentary with the late Keith Harris.
I enjoyed it and was left feeling rather sad
The man was very talented but pigeon holed because of the green duck.(Orville)
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Post by KarinB on Mar 11, 2018 0:44:34 GMT
I watched the Louis therouex documentary with the late Keith Harris. I enjoyed it and was left feeling rather sad The man was very talented but pigeon holed because of the green duck.(Orville) I don't know Keith Harris. I had a look online and read his 'Wiki' page. I know they can be a minefield of inaccurate 'truths' but when I read he had turned down a role offered to him by Ricky Gervais (who talked about that with Jonathan Ross on tv...of course Ricky Gervais would ) I thought 'Good on you mate'. If you don't like RG's comedy don't be a part of it.  'pigeon holed' because of the duck. |
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I wouldn't be able to sleep if one of these silent partners was in the same room as me or even in a cupboard nearby. 
