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Post by jno on Jun 14, 2020 16:13:37 GMT
Middle lane %#$&s should be shot in my opinion. Urm, I don't remember road rage pistol whipping being in the highway code harry!
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Post by harryshand on Jun 14, 2020 17:58:38 GMT
Middle lane %#$&s should be shot in my opinion. Urm, I don't remember road rage pistol whipping being in the highway code harry! It isn’t but it should be allowed for these #$&*s
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Post by Arch Stanton on Jun 18, 2020 6:32:27 GMT
Urm, I don't remember road rage pistol whipping being in the highway code harry! It isn’t but it should be allowed for these #$&*s Agreed. It’s ignorant, dangerous and completely selfish. They are the four wheel equivalent of a cyclist. Same principle counts: You either hate cyclists or you are one. You either hate middle lane hoggers or you are one. Very simple. There is an addendum to this rule and that’s: You only don’t hate them because you don’t see them very often, or the roads you travel on have enough space that means they aren’t posing danger to other road users or aren’t in your way.
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Post by ltd on Jun 18, 2020 11:42:03 GMT
Same principle counts: You either hate cyclists or you are one. You either hate middle lane hoggers or you are one. Very simple. I was down near The Smoke last Sunday, loads of them on the western section of the M25 near Heathrow. Always bad round there for some reason -two middle lanes to play with, double the aggro.
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Post by BMW on Jun 18, 2020 15:17:48 GMT
Audi drivers
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Post by westminster on Jun 18, 2020 17:20:03 GMT
Audi drivers Just what I was going to say!
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Post by harryshand on Jun 21, 2020 17:38:18 GMT
Same principle counts: You either hate cyclists or you are one. You either hate middle lane hoggers or you are one. Very simple. I was down near The Smoke last Sunday, loads of them on the western section of the M25 near Heathrow. Always bad round there for some reason -two middle lanes to play with, double the aggro. Tell me about it. I live near Jn13 on the M25 and have to travel up the M40 fairly frequently. The Heathrow section is poor but there are three lanes on the inside to take the M4 to cut these idiots some slack. By far the worst section for MLCs is the stretch from the M25 Jn16 going north towards Beaconsfield. I’ve seen these tw@s in lanes 2,3,4 and even 5 minding their own business at 65mph.😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
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Post by barrythebook on Jun 23, 2020 22:28:54 GMT
Audi drivers Guilty.
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Post by barrythebook on Jun 23, 2020 22:29:24 GMT
Audi drivers Just what I was going to say! Bit harsh.
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Post by jno on Jun 24, 2020 3:50:18 GMT
Audi drivers Now then, this is an interesting point. I passed my test in September 1991 and if I had to list the cars that have left me perturbed due to rubbish driving, it would be these in my top three, and probably in this order: 1. Audi (almost always black Audis) 2. BMW 3. Alfa Romeo followed closely by white van man and then aggressive young women in peugeots. Nothing personal of course, just going by facts/incidents as I have seen 'em. This probably deserves its own death match.
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Post by westminster on Jun 24, 2020 8:14:32 GMT
Audi drivers Now then, this is an interesting point. I passed my test in September 1991 and if I had to list the cars that have left me perturbed due to rubbish driving, it would be these in my top three, and probably in this order: 1. Audi (almost always black Audis) 2. BMW 3. Alfa Romeo followed closely by white van man and then aggressive young women in peugeots. Nothing personal of course, just going by facts/incidents as I have seen 'em. This probably deserves its own death match. My own feeling is that there's been a significant change in the demographic of Audi drivers over time. When I first started driving, there weren't anywhere near as many Audis on the road as nowadays and I always saw them as a bit of a 'thinking man's car'. The choice of architects, dentists and so on. A bit like Saabs were. Although I know there was also the rally thing going on with the Audi quattros. Either way, they seemed a bit upmarket. Nowadays there seem to be loads and loads of Audis on the road and I think their clientele has changed quite a bit. To me, they've usurped Ford in many ways. On one hand, the A4 now seems to car of choice for the sales rep in a rush, whereas it used to be the Mondeo. The A5 seems to have a bit of a boy racer Capri thing going on and the A3 seems like the new Escort. I see more A3s about than Ford Focus anyway. I think much of this is due to PCP and other forms of finance. In the past, you often used to be able to tell somebody's social station by their car - sometimes even the particular model (Cortina L v Cortina Ghia?). Nowadays, it seems that nearly anybody can drive almost any car, seemingly regardless of (notional) cost. I mean, how many Range Rovers do you see on the road? Some of them are £100,000 tricked up! But nobody's going into a car showroom and handing over £100K.
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Post by BMW on Jun 24, 2020 18:33:19 GMT
Not that I am biased or anything but I think a lot of the d*cks that used to drive BMs have gravitated downwards to Audis, enticed by the spangly interiors (which are admittedly good) and silly indicators (which are not). But they feel flabby to drive, comfortable yes, but remote and uninvolving. Every proper person knows that in a head to head comparison the straight-six, rear driven BMW with perfect weight distribution is the better driver’s car. Always was, always will be. Driving a Munich Legend you feel like you are part of the machine rather than a passenger in it. Just my 2p worth, but I am right!
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Post by jno on Jun 24, 2020 18:35:32 GMT
But nobody's going into a car showroom and handing over £100K. ...except Arch Stanton as he needs motors like these to patrol the land late at night in his smoking jacket looking for emmits and the Cornish Owlman attacking his livestock.
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Post by westminster on Jun 24, 2020 20:07:18 GMT
Not that I am biased or anything but I think a lot of the d*cks that used to drive BMs have gravitated downwards to Audis, enticed by the spangly interiors (which are admittedly good) and silly indicators (which are not). But they feel flabby to drive, comfortable yes, but remote and uninvolving. Every proper person knows that in a head to head comparison the straight-six, rear driven BMW with perfect weight distribution is the better driver’s car. Always was, always will be. Driving a Munich Legend you feel like you are part of the machine rather than a passenger in it. Just my 2p worth, but I am right! I agree, a lot of the boy racers do seem to have gravitated towards Audi but, yes, BMWs are better drivers' cars. No doubt. But I'm a RWD man anyway. I don't tear around though, I'm currently smoking around in an old XJ6. Auto, RWD, bags of torque. Lovely, relaxed drive.
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Post by ltd on Jun 25, 2020 8:04:56 GMT
I think much of this is due to PCP and other forms of finance. In the past, you often used to be able to tell somebody's social station by their car - sometimes even the particular model (Cortina L v Cortina Ghia?). Nowadays, it seems that nearly anybody can drive almost any car, seemingly regardless of (notional) cost. For now anyway. Got a friend who reckons there's a PCP bubble and when it bursts it'll spark off a new 2008 style financial crisis. She's a bit of a doom monger though and I can appreciate PCP does make sense for some people but I suspect there's some dodgy practices going on. Anecdotally, had some prat at the local Skoda garage try to sell me finance when I told him I wanted to pay cash. He wouldn't bl*ody listen so took my business elsewhere. I also know of someone who's driving around in a swanky range rover and they were declared bankrupt a few years ago - they're hardly a good credit risk are they?
Anyway I digress...back on thread, I heartily endorse Harryshand's comments re: M25. The whole western section is a middle lane hoggers's free-for-all.
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Post by gra966 on Jun 25, 2020 18:49:52 GMT
Some interesting points reference current Audi drivers . There seems to be an Audi model for everyone now , whereas when I worked for a Volkswagen / Audi dealership in the early 90s , their range was still pretty limited . A large number of Audi 80s & 100s were company / fleet / lease cars & usually driven by " executive types " The Quattro was the car for rally & motorsport enthusiasts , or senior C.I.D officers ! Only joking on the last one .
Going back even further , I can remember when my father bought a secondhand 1974 M reg Audi 100 , in 1977 & telling my mates at school the next day . One replied " An Audi , isn't that one of those foreign jobs , with the rings on the front ? " We were more used to our cars , either wearing a blue oval or a griffin in those days !!
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Post by jno on Jun 26, 2020 2:31:10 GMT
It isn’t but it should be allowed for these #$&*s Agreed. It’s ignorant, dangerous and completely selfish. They are the four wheel equivalent of a cyclist. Same principle counts: You either hate cyclists or you are one. You either hate middle lane hoggers or you are one. Very simple. There is an addendum to this rule and that’s: You only don’t hate them because you don’t see them very often, or the roads you travel on have enough space that means they aren’t posing danger to other road users or aren’t in your way. I reckon I might get a 2 for 1 deal if I sign Arch and harry up for a road rage anger management course.
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Post by jno on Jun 26, 2020 2:38:16 GMT
Another category I've just thought of which probably could have been in this poll: Roundabout brake avoiders: those that refuse to physically stop at a roundabout and pull out at speed in front of you when you're already on the roundabout making your way around. Dog gone it, this really gets my gizzard and in accordance with aforementioned anger management regarding road rage, is also in need of a pistol whipping if you ask me.
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Post by westminster on Jun 26, 2020 8:00:56 GMT
Some interesting points reference current Audi drivers . There seems to be an Audi model for everyone now , whereas when I worked for a Volkswagen / Audi dealership in the early 90s , their range was still pretty limited . A large number of Audi 80s & 100s were company / fleet / lease cars & usually driven by " executive types " The Quattro was the car for rally & motorsport enthusiasts , or senior C.I.D officers ! Only joking on the last one .
Going back even further , I can remember when my father bought a secondhand 1974 M reg Audi 100 , in 1977 & telling my mates at school the next day . One replied " An Audi , isn't that one of those foreign jobs , with the rings on the front ? " We were more used to our cars , either wearing a blue oval or a griffin in those days !! I used to really like the Audi 80s back in the day. The 80 Sport in particular was a nice little package. I seem to remember quite a few of them were in orange, which sounds ridiculous now, but they looked great. An Audi 100 would have been quite exotic. Most people who wanted a biggish saloon in the 1970s were into Granadas or landcrabs (like my dad).
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Post by harryshand on Jun 26, 2020 16:06:32 GMT
Agreed. It’s ignorant, dangerous and completely selfish. They are the four wheel equivalent of a cyclist. Same principle counts: You either hate cyclists or you are one. You either hate middle lane hoggers or you are one. Very simple. There is an addendum to this rule and that’s: You only don’t hate them because you don’t see them very often, or the roads you travel on have enough space that means they aren’t posing danger to other road users or aren’t in your way. I reckon I might get a 2 for 1 deal if I sign Arch and harry up for a road rage anger management course. You'll be wasting your money jno. On this, I'm unchangeable.
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Post by barrythebook on Jun 26, 2020 21:37:19 GMT
Some interesting points reference current Audi drivers . There seems to be an Audi model for everyone now , whereas when I worked for a Volkswagen / Audi dealership in the early 90s , their range was still pretty limited . A large number of Audi 80s & 100s were company / fleet / lease cars & usually driven by " executive types " The Quattro was the car for rally & motorsport enthusiasts , or senior C.I.D officers ! Only joking on the last one .
I used to really like the Audi 80s back in the day. The 80 Sport in particular was a nice little package. I seem to remember quite a few of them were in orange, which sounds ridiculous now, but they looked great. I had an Audi 80 SE with a 2.8 petrol engine and manual gearbox in the mid 90s and it was one hell of a car. Comfortable, solid, handled like it was on rails and went like sh*t off a shovel!
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Post by barrythebook on Jun 26, 2020 21:52:40 GMT
Not that I am biased or anything but I think a lot of the d*cks that used to drive BMs have gravitated downwards to Audis, enticed by the spangly interiors (which are admittedly good) and silly indicators (which are not). But they feel flabby to drive, comfortable yes, but remote and uninvolving. Every proper person knows that in a head to head comparison the straight-six, rear driven BMW with perfect weight distribution is the better driver’s car. Always was, always will be. Driving a Munich Legend you feel like you are part of the machine rather than a passenger in it. Just my 2p worth, but I am right! I've driven BMW's bmw and have to say that they're a quality car which are lovely to drive no doubt but I think Audi's Quattro set up takes some beating for handling. I don't find them remote, i'll happily throw mine into corners etc. with confidence that the handling characteristics are there and will do a job. I've had Audi's for 27 years now and swear by them. I buy high end models when they're around 6/7 years old and run them for another 4 to 6 years as I find this the best way to get value for money. One thing I will say, is that in 8 years of long distance lorry driving, whenever their was a tailback or hold up on the motorways, the cars I saw on the hard shoulder with overheating problems were 8 out of 10 times BMW's. Don't know why this should be but that's how it was.
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Post by BMW on Jun 26, 2020 23:00:22 GMT
Not that I am biased or anything but I think a lot of the d*cks that used to drive BMs have gravitated downwards to Audis, enticed by the spangly interiors (which are admittedly good) and silly indicators (which are not). But they feel flabby to drive, comfortable yes, but remote and uninvolving. Every proper person knows that in a head to head comparison the straight-six, rear driven BMW with perfect weight distribution is the better driver’s car. Always was, always will be. Driving a Munich Legend you feel like you are part of the machine rather than a passenger in it. Just my 2p worth, but I am right! I've driven BMW's bmw and have to say that they're a quality car which are lovely to drive no doubt but I think Audi's Quattro set up takes some beating for handling. I don't find them remote, i'll happily throw mine into corners etc. with confidence that the handling characteristics are there and will do a job. I've had Audi's for 27 years now and swear by them. I buy high end models when they're around 6/7 years old and run them for another 4 to 6 years as I find this the best way to get value for money. One thing I will say, is that in 8 years of long distance lorry driving, whenever their was a tailback or hold up on the motorways, the cars I saw on the hard shoulder with overheating problems were 8 out of 10 times BMW's. Don't know why this should be but that's how it was. I bought my first BMW in 1993 and am on numbers five and six now, so it sounds like we have a very similar history! Currently running a 320 M sport and a 120 cabrio for sunny days, both great fun. I did have a problem with the cooling system on an old e46 318ci years ago, replaced the fan, thermostat, water pump, top and bottom hoses, the whole lot. Luckily the rad and head gasket survived the drama! Old Audis are cool, the 80s and 100s from the Minder era look good. But as you may have gathered the modern ones do nothing for me. My other car fetish is Porsche, dream garage would include a 1973 911RS and a 917 in gulf livery! Sit those next to a 3.0 CSL and I’m in car heaven. Oh and a Miura. Expensive tastes unfortunately.
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Post by chrisclark1977 on Jun 28, 2020 1:04:05 GMT
Would dangerous overtaking count?
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Post by jno on Jun 28, 2020 3:02:34 GMT
Would dangerous overtaking count? Yes.
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Post by felixdeburgh on Jun 28, 2020 7:19:34 GMT
Middle lane %#$&s should be shot in my opinion. I’d take an even more severe line than that. Hung, drawn, quartered and then shot. Absolutely drives me nuts this. Thankfully, I don’t have to do as much motorway driving as I used to but when I do, as soon as I get on there, there’s someone pootling along in lane 3 of a 4 lane stretch with nothing in lanes 1&2, completely oblivious to what’s going on behind them. Get out of the f***ing way you dawdling @rseholes!
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Post by Arch Stanton on Jun 28, 2020 9:41:37 GMT
Middle lane %#$&s should be shot in my opinion. I’d take an even more severe line than that. Hung, drawn, quartered and then shot. Absolutely drives me nuts this. Thankfully, I don’t have to do as much motorway driving as I used to but when I do, as soon as I get on there, there’s someone pootling along in lane 3 of a 4 lane stretch with nothing in lanes 1&2, completely oblivious to what’s going on behind them. Get out of the f***ing way you dawdling @rseholes! I here this. I go nuts. I can’t help it. I know it’s not big or clever but I end up making a big deal of undertaking them. I know I shouldn’t but I can’t help myself sometimes. It’s either that or I run them off the road. My personal best for undertaking cars in a row who are refusing to move into the slow lane on a motorway/dual carriageway is 7. The police/highways should bust all of these idiots. Keep me from risk of listening to the voices in my head.
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Post by Arch Stanton on Jun 28, 2020 9:50:37 GMT
Would dangerous overtaking count? Yes. I was driving to work one day last week, I’m going to say Wednesday. Sunny morning. A 20 minute drive to work began to resemble a trailer for Death Race 2000 as I just went into psycho mode and was overtaking vehicles like billy-be-damned. I must have overtaken between 10 and 20 tractors and about 20 different cyclists. C***s! They were everywhere. I just snapped. I look back on some of the overtaking I did and I’m not proud. Could so easily have ended in tears. Problem is you see if I hadn’t done it, that 20 minute drive would have turned into the best part of an hour.
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Post by Arch Stanton on Jun 28, 2020 10:03:29 GMT
To put things into perspective, I just checked out a map, and the other afternoon I left work and was driving from Helston to Hayle (to get some shopping), which according to Google Maps is 9.9miles. I was the 9th vehicle out of a 12 vehicle (and increasing) tailback behind a tractor. Not once did that ***t pull in, despite multiple opportunities to do so, so that the other traffic might pass him. Ignorant shyte!! Took me flipping ages to get home. Doing 25 miles an hour all the way. The roads down here need a judge, jury and executioner.
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Post by ltd on Jun 28, 2020 10:49:43 GMT
The roads down here need a judge, jury and executioner. Same troubles here in the three counties. We need someone like Judge Dredd on his Lawmaster to make short work of them. I accept a certain amount of agricultural traffic is inevitable in rural area but some of these blokes just take the p***.
I've done the undertaking trick as well Arch, on reflection not proud of it, and try consciously to avoid doing it now. Wait for gap in the traffic and get into right hand lane however long it takes, then back into left. Try not to blow my top while waiting.
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