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Post by daz on Jul 11, 2020 8:10:28 GMT
Ex Leeds Footballer and Manager of Ireland has passed away aged 85.
RIP Jack
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Post by harryshand on Jul 11, 2020 8:26:54 GMT
RIP Jack. A legend in two countries for sure.
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Post by coyote on Jul 11, 2020 9:47:26 GMT
Sad news. Another of the World Cup winners gone  What he achieved as a manager with the Republic of Ireland was almost as impressive an achievement, they were nowhere before he took over and found that half the first division had Irish grandparents  . I'd forgotten they got to the quarters at Italia 90 but the 1994 World Cup victory against Italy has to be the highlight for me, an absolutely amazing result. |
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Post by milo on Jul 11, 2020 9:48:56 GMT
Just seen this on the news. Very sad. A true footballing legend from an era when footballers were gentlemen. RIP Jack.
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Post by McCann on Jul 11, 2020 10:08:17 GMT
RIP. Jack would be given a state funeral if he lived in Ireland, he was that popular. Only last month the tv here were showing past matches and remembering Euro 88, Italia 90 and USA 94.
A no nonsense centre half with Leeds for 21 years, who believed in 'put em under pressure' he had to be some player to win what he did in the game with Leeds and a rock at the back for England's World cup winners.
Met big Jack for a few moments at USA 94, had a bit of a chat in the team hotel. He wasn't actually meant to have been given the Ireland job in 1986. Bob Paisley was supposed to have gotten it. But it was a match made in heaven between the big Geordie and the Irish. We had some great times with Jack. He was a character.
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Post by daz on Jul 11, 2020 12:33:29 GMT
RIP. Jack would be given a state funeral if he lived in Ireland, he was that popular. Only last month the tv here were showing past matches and remembering Euro 88, Italia 90 and USA 94. A no nonsense centre half with Leeds for 21 years, who believed in 'put em under pressure' he had to be some player to win what he did in the game with Leeds and a rock at the back for England's World cup winners. Met big Jack for a few moments at USA 94, had a bit of a chat in the team hotel. He wasn't actually meant to have been given the Ireland job in 1986. Bob Paisley was supposed to have gotten it. But it was a match made in heaven between the big Geordie and the Irish. We had some great times with Jack. He was a character. His Irish team were a joy to watch, especially in 1990. Not the best team footballing wise, but what a spirit and they played with smiles on their faces, even I was Irish for a few weeks back then, showed with the right manager and tactics even small nations can compete with the best of them.
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Post by Arch Stanton on Jul 11, 2020 13:47:34 GMT
Sheffield Wednesday manager and England legend. If it hadn’t have been for big Jack taking over us in ‘77, god knows where we’d be now. Proper dragged us up by the scruff of our neck from the bottom of the third division. From third division to second. Then had they not have changed from 2 to 3 points for a win that year, we’d have gone up into division 1 in ‘81-‘82. Wish we had Jack at the helm now. Afterwards Wilkinson came in and used Big Jack’s foundations to get us into the first division in his first year. Apparently Jack also played for some team called ‘England’ and won something called a ‘World Cup’.... but obviously he’s mostly famous for his managerial career at Sheffield Wednesday than anything else. RIP Jack, hope the fishing and Shredded Wheat are good, wherever you are. |
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Post by McCann on Jul 11, 2020 14:26:21 GMT
Yeah Wednesday and before that 'boro jobs showed that Jack's management was simple but effective. He had a bit of a bad spell at Newcastle then so he wasn't on the crest of a wave when he came to Ireland in 86.
Jack and Bobby Moore where a tough pair of centre backs for England in 66 and 70 and behind them then you had to get past Gordon Banks.
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Post by Wynn Chester on Jul 11, 2020 14:36:21 GMT
RIP Big Jack... |
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Post by jjmolloy on Jul 11, 2020 14:39:15 GMT
RIP. Jack would be given a state funeral if he lived in Ireland, he was that popular. Only last month the tv here were showing past matches and remembering Euro 88, Italia 90 and USA 94. A no nonsense centre half with Leeds for 21 years, who believed in 'put em under pressure' he had to be some player to win what he did in the game with Leeds and a rock at the back for England's World cup winners. Met big Jack for a few moments at USA 94, had a bit of a chat in the team hotel. He wasn't actually meant to have been given the Ireland job in 1986. Bob Paisley was supposed to have gotten it. But it was a match made in heaven between the big Geordie and the Irish. We had some great times with Jack. He was a character. His Irish team were a joy to watch, especially in 1990. Not the best team footballing wise, but what a spirit and they played with smiles on their faces, even I was Irish for a few weeks back then, showed with the right manager and tactics even small nations can compete with the best of them.
Don't forget Daz that it was a goal by Scotland that sent us to Euro 88, our first tournament. Ireland weren't even playing the day we qualified. A goal by Gary Mackay against Bulgaria if memory serves put us through and started it all for us. |
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Post by jjmolloy on Jul 11, 2020 15:14:42 GMT
Yeah Wednesday and before that 'boro jobs showed that Jack's management was simple but effective. He had a bit of a bad spell at Newcastle then so he wasn't on the crest of a wave when he came to Ireland in 86. Jack and Bobby Moore where a tough pair of centre backs for England in 66 and 70 and behind them then you had to get past Gordon Banks. It was all apparently agreed within the FAI that Bob Paisley would take the Irish job but somehow by the usual ineptitude within the association Jack got the gig at the last minute and the rest is history. |
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Post by McCann on Jul 11, 2020 15:19:42 GMT
Yeah JJ that is correct. Scotland got the win in Bulgaria in November 87 that sent Ireland to Euro 88 and got the party started.
Jack's assistant had to ring around establishments in the west of Ireland to reach him and tell him his team had qualified for a major tournament for the first time. Jack was off angling somewhere. His reaction was a simple oh good! Or words to that effect. Love it.
Imagine that today with wall to wall sky sports and twitter.
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Post by jjmolloy on Jul 11, 2020 15:20:54 GMT
Yeah JJ that is correct. Scotland got the win in Bulgaria in November 87 that sent Ireland to Euro 88 and got the party started. Jack's assistant had to ring around establishments in the west of Ireland to reach him and tell him his team had qualified for a major tournament for the first time. Jack was off angling somewhere. His reaction was a simple oh good! Of words to that effect. Love it. Imagine that today with wall to wall sky sports and twitter. Simpler days friend, simpler days. |
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Post by pr1 on Jul 11, 2020 22:55:45 GMT
I have heard of him here in the U.S. Rest In Peace.
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Post by jno on Jul 12, 2020 4:39:13 GMT
As harryshand said, legend in 2 countries.
RIP
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Post by Zimbo on Jul 12, 2020 9:54:56 GMT
Wonder if we'll find out who actually was in his "little black book?" Everton's John Morrissey was too of the list apparently.
Seriously, it sounds like Jack was a great, down to earth bloke.
RIP
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Post by Portland Road on Jul 16, 2020 7:35:33 GMT
I remember him as manager of Middlesbrough - he put a shrewd eye to a squad being assembled by the previous manager, and made complementary changes.
His motivation took them via a storming promotion to the First Division where they had several good seasons.
R.I.P. Jack Charlton.
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Post by McCann on Jul 21, 2020 11:50:58 GMT
Jack's funeral today. The Post Office in Ireland and the UK are stamping mail with a special postmark for Jack linkAt 12.30 today all radio stations in Ireland played 'put 'em under pressure' the 1990 Ireland World Cup song. One of the great football songs produced by Larry Mullen of U2 who plays drums and based on 'Dearg Doom' Horslips 1973 hit. It sounds like Enya at the start but it actually Enya's sister. We're all part of Jackie's army...…. |
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Post by daz on Jul 21, 2020 15:31:27 GMT
After listening to it McCann, I'm not quite sure it is one of the great Football songs, but certainly not the worst, that belongs to Scotlands 1998 dirge.
Saw the footage of his funeral going around his hometown streets and they did him proud.
He never forget his roots or lost his Geordie accent.
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Post by McCann on Jul 21, 2020 19:15:13 GMT
Yeah we love it here because it was so evocative of a great time in life, dodgy quality of football on offer mind.
People don't remember now that FIFA and UEFA were in a bit of a crisis after Italia 90 and a few dreadful European cup finals. So we got the end of the backpass and the champions league and by 1994 things were looking up for football and attacking play.
Just realised the chorus was from 'Ali's tartan army' in 1978. The less said the better, but they scrubed it up well.
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Post by chopper on Jul 21, 2020 21:56:27 GMT
A real character, he did a very astute job at Boro. He set some very different rules could have been paid more, no contract, but couldn’t be sacked. Also, had to have 3 days off a week to go fishing etc. He painted the ground, and even chose the Boro kit. He attributed some of his Boro downfall to not stumping up the extra cash to fund the signing of David Cross, something which was vindicated as he did a great job as a striker for West Ham for a long time.
I think he also did a decent job at Sheffield Weds, his spell at Newcastle was very short, he had no transfer budget, had inherited a team that Arthur Cox had just taken up, but quit in a shock move to Derby, who were then in the old 3rd division. Keegan had just retired and he had to let McDermott go,as they couldn’t agree on terms for a contract.
RIP Jack - as mentioned, a real character and far more successful manager than his brother Bobby was
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Post by coyote on Jul 25, 2020 23:10:33 GMT
Nice couple of programmes on BBC2 (and iplayer of course) in tribute tonight - Alfie's Boys from 2016 about the World Cup 1966 which is more of a collective retrospective but better is the Garth Crooks' 'Match Of Their Day' interview from I would guess about 10 years ago. Very straight-talking, down to earth interview and nice stories and vintage footage, well worth a watch for any football fan  Garth: "Any regrets Jack?" Jack: "None at all. Well, I'd like to have won something with the Irish. Maybe a World Cup or a European Championship"  |
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. I'd forgotten they got to the quarters at Italia 90 but the 1994 World Cup victory against Italy has to be the highlight for me, an absolutely amazing result.
