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Post by daz on Aug 15, 2019 6:21:45 GMT
Watched again last night and a decent episode. BtB reminded me on a packet of Lambert and Butler with that shirt he was wearing at the end.
Gone are the times when someone from the Celtic nations would visit England and be referred too as Taff, Jock or Pat. I personally never felt insulted being called a Jock, but taking a liberty if it had Barsteward after it, which was often the case.
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Post by allertondan on Nov 17, 2019 19:44:01 GMT
Anyone notice Jim who Terry says hello to in the bookies is the same Jim who buys a drink for Terry and Dee Rogers the aussie richard, in 'if music be the food of love, play on' whilst watching Jimmy Fagg ?
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Post by barrythebook on Nov 17, 2019 19:50:33 GMT
Anyone notice Jim who Terry says hello to in the bookies is the same Jim who buys a drink for Terry and Dee Rogers the aussie richard, in 'if music be the food of love, play on' whilst watching Jimmy Fagg ? I haven't noticed that dan. Very well spotted sir. Have we got another recurring/semi regular character?
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Post by jno on Nov 18, 2019 4:57:47 GMT
Have we got another recurring/semi regular character? There's plenty, and this is the totally the sort of nerdy Minder territory I love. My favourite is series 6's 'Ron', played by Paul Cooper. He's in 3 episodes #6.1 Give Us This Day Arthur Daley's Bread, #6.3 The Return of The Invincible Man and #6.4 Arthur Is Dead, Long Live Arthur. Ron is a bit of a shifty Winchester regular and clearly written in for the whole of series 6. I might need to track him down.
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Post by steve74 on May 8, 2020 15:36:28 GMT
Arthur's involvement with the fireplaces and Dermot is funny stuff, "Okay Pat, I'll call you Dermot". Some real shady types in this episode and it's brilliantly acted throughout, especially Nigel Davenport and Michael Medwin. I was really rooting for Terry with Dolly (what better relationship for Terry than with a bookie), but I suppose thinking about it they weren't really suited to each other. I agree with others who say a fight between Terry and Ram (mess his suit up a bit) would have been the icing on the cake for this brilliant episode. 4 out of 5.
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Post by barrythebook on May 11, 2020 9:00:56 GMT
Arthur's involvement with the fireplaces and Dermot is funny stuff, "Okay Pat, I'll call you Dermot". It's a great background story to the episode which ultimately ties in with the main thread really well. Until Arthur unveils the Adam fireplace to Cyril in the lock-up, I didn't give it a thought that Arthur and Ray would be involved in any sort of deal.
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Post by heredia1 on May 13, 2020 10:24:50 GMT
loved Barry the unscrupulous bookie in this episode, even reminded me a bit of Victor Chandler
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Post by BMW on Jun 26, 2020 13:25:30 GMT
Enjoyable episode this, clever story and good supporting characters. Best bits for me:
Barry’s car, I love a red three series, I’ve had two, although not that old! Arthur trying to drag Terry out of his sick bed, “surely you can manage to pour some hot water over a teabag?” And then accusing him of ‘self,self,self!’ Arthur stooping to sit on the repro Georgian chair when Cyril is about to value it, he has to do a swift bounce back up, superb physical acting Arthur explaining to Terry ‘In a few minutes I’m going to stitch up a simple Irishman, now what’s wrong with that?”
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Post by jjmolloy on Jun 26, 2020 13:36:18 GMT
Enjoyable episode this, clever story and good supporting characters. Best bits for me: Barry’s car, I love a red three series, I’ve had two, although not that old! Arthur trying to drag Terry out of his sick bed, “surely you can manage to pour some hot water over a teabag?” And then accusing him of ‘self,self,self!’ Arthur stooping to sit on the repro Georgian chair when Cyril is about to value it, he has to do a swift bounce back up, superb physical acting Arthur explaining to Terry ‘In a few minutes I’m going to stitch up a simple Irishman, now what’s wrong with that?” As a 'simple Irishman' myself I don't get offended when I watch it! Just par for the course for us Celtic bretheren back in the day, though they usually had the last laugh on Arthur, so fair play to the writers.
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Post by BMW on Jun 26, 2020 13:39:49 GMT
Dermot didn’t though did he? Took 300 for a fireplace that Cyril knocked out the next day for five and a half large.
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Post by McCann on Jun 26, 2020 20:35:07 GMT
Trust us we'd be well able to take the piddle out of a Cockney as the need arises.
That's what makes the world go round
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Post by barrythebook on Jun 26, 2020 21:26:06 GMT
Dermot didn’t though did he? Took 300 for a fireplace that Cyril knocked out the next day for five and a half large. Dermot was happy with what he got though. This was a sideline for him during the demolition job, a bit of bunce. Yes he would have been cheesed off if he knew what it was really worth but he didn't move in the sort of circles that would realise the 'Adams' full potential so he got what he could and moved on.. Arthur is the one who's taken for a mug really.
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Post by kelotoph on Aug 14, 2020 15:30:18 GMT
Watched this today and thoroughly enjoyed it. I didn't quite catch the point at which Barry borrowed £6k from Dolly - I thought he coughed up a 'monkey' (£500) for Dolly to lay off at Kempston, but where did she lend him the £6k?
Favourite line of dialogue concerned the well known manufacturer of fireplaces, 'Adam McCoy'.
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Post by barrythebook on Aug 15, 2020 2:43:34 GMT
I didn't quite catch the point at which Barry borrowed £6k from Dolly - I thought he coughed up a 'monkey' (£500) for Dolly to lay off at Kempston, but where did she lend him the £6k? Barry knew that Dolly had a soft spot for Terry and conned her into thinking the money was to pay off a debt incurred by Terry rather than himself.
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Post by rik42 on Feb 11, 2021 9:19:13 GMT
Watched this episode last night. Arthur: Terry, youre gonna knock the picture off the wall Terry: Maybe ill hang him up there instead
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Post by kettle on Apr 2, 2021 4:24:17 GMT
That photo doesn't do justice to Miss Markham, a very fine looking woman. Very fine indeed
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Post by kettle on Apr 2, 2021 4:25:05 GMT
It's an interesting one - Terry seems motivated to (sort of) keep fit but then sinks a few pints down the Winchester. How motivated is he to get a proper job though? Not really. Terry really is a drifter with no prospects - it's never stated explicitly but sometime I get the feeling Terry helps Arthur because Arthur owns his drum - nothing more. Well said jno,totally agree. Tel might have an issue with his criminal record, in terms of other potential employment opportunities? That sort of narrows down his niche to within the "alternative economy".
Although there was one episode where he was offered a proper job in an auto dealership.
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Post by bigaitch on Apr 30, 2021 16:24:24 GMT
Really good episode. Good characters, main and peripheral, and a very good plot, very enjoyable.
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Post by coyote on May 10, 2021 23:49:51 GMT
We never truly discover if it's a "real" Adam fireplace, or whether Dermot's having Arthur over, and Cyril (who clearly does know his onions, a la Lovejoy) sees an opportunity and he and Ray are having their punter over. Or whether it's truly genuine.
I could never see Tel with Dolly, who reminded me of Deirdre Barlow with the glasses in the first half. Apart from his dalliances with Rose Mellors I can't think of another older woman. I can think of a lot of younger ones though!
As many others have said, Barry The Book is proper rubbish, although at least Terry sees through this one quickly unlike the many times Arthur tells some poor woman a pack of lies about him and it comes back to bite him.
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Post by barrythebook on May 11, 2021 16:56:31 GMT
We never truly discover if it's a "real" Adam fireplace, or whether Dermot's having Arthur over, and Cyril (who clearly does know his onions, a la Lovejoy) sees an opportunity and he and Ray are having their punter over. Or whether it's truly genuine. I could never see Tel with Dolly. Apart from his dalliances with Rose Mellors I can't think of another older woman. I can think of a lot of younger ones though! Good point lc and one I've thought about as well. I don't think Pat had the knowledge to turn Arthur over but i'd put a weeks wages on it that Cyril pulled the wool over someones eyes, whether it be Arthur or the lady buyer - as you say, it would have been good to find out one way or another.
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Post by 615 on Oct 11, 2021 21:53:12 GMT
Arthur's involvement with the fireplaces and Dermot is funny stuff, "Okay Pat, I'll call you Dermot". It's a great background story to the episode which ultimately ties in with the main thread really well. Until Arthur unveils the Adam fireplace to Cyril in the lock-up, I didn't give it a thought that Arthur and Ray would be involved in any sort of deal. Surely when Cyril's going round the flat pricing the contents Arthur leaps in and buys a picture for 'er indoors' and parts with 50 notes to Ray.
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Post by ltd on Feb 1, 2022 9:51:27 GMT
Nigel Davenport's Ray is a fine menace despite that hideous suit! That suit is astonishing - looks like it was cut from pub carpet material.
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Post by geoffc on Aug 16, 2023 22:07:34 GMT
I think the fireplace has to be the real McCoy (!) for the plot to work. Otherwise the scenes with Arthur trying to convince Dermot its not genuine and Cyril conning Arthur are lost. A common plot motif throughout Minder is Arthurs nice little earners rarely paying off - this is important as he would be a pretty unlikeable character were he a successful crook conning the regular characters week in and week out. However he can't lose out every time as that would be too predictable - so the perfect solution is what happens here. He makes a few bob but misses out on the big bucks to an even bigger shyster. Arthur should have paid more attention to the latest "Houses & Gardens(!) " to distinguish his Adam from his elbow ! . Barry was a complete slime ball but got his comeuppance in the end - working for Dolly to pay off the £6K. Terry used the phrase - What was the moody ? I can't say I have ever heard this as London slang . Google doesn't throw up much but someone said it referred to dodgy or illicit as in moody goods. I suppose Terry meant it as a scam or con. Poor old Terry - he was never meant to settle down - with a wife , 2.4 kids , a 9 to 5 for wages, and a mortgage on a small terraced two up two down somewhere south of the river. As Arthur said "it would never work" . As Arthur's never ending quest for the perfect payday ,so as Terry's search for a steady girlfriend. Sorry gents - it has to be this way as otherwise the series ends there and then - it's a vital plot element. To add - I was never a regular gambler back then but do remember when putting £1 each way on the Grand National or Derby being asked whether I wanted to pay the tax up front. As far as I can remember the regular punters in the office always said it was best to pay up front ( or was it the other way round ? ! ) The off-course tax was done away with 1st January 2002
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Post by McCann on Aug 17, 2023 14:15:26 GMT
Moody gear gets referred to a couple of times in Minder. It is a good way of saying suss, dodgy, questionable.
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Post by hollandpark on Jan 31, 2024 11:46:14 GMT
One of my all time faves , Love how Ray refers it to " That Kickbox" !
I agree Barrys flat is very nice. obviously with him being a dodgy bookie , his tax free income would probably have allowed such a nice bachelor pad, even back in the day when Marleybone prices were not crazy. In fact I am in that neck of the woods nr Baker street on Friday , if time permits I will try and check out the modern location.
Highlights for me are Ram's shiny suit , used to have one like that as well, albeit it wasnt as well fitting . He also has a knack for finding a wedge of tenners hidden between frozen pizza, scampi and birds eye fish fingers in Barrys freezer, in fact its the FIRST place he looks lol. More than just a henchman .
Ray makes a great villian kinda wish he was a recurring character and Cyril the antiques guy winning Arthurs approval always brings a smile " He's mustard aint he , better than that bloke off the Telly"
Barry the Bookie has to be one of my favourite characters , I found it interesting that he was a man of culture listening classical music etc, fancy furniture in a posh flat which isnt something I saw often in Minder, wonder what kind of backstory there would have been as to how he knew Arthur as his house isnt on their manor at all.
And this is a solid 5/5 episode for me
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Post by hollandpark on Feb 1, 2024 13:24:24 GMT
Moody gear gets referred to a couple of times in Minder. It is a good way of saying suss, dodgy, questionable. The old Johnny Vaughn comedy Orrible used the term in some episodes as well. ( The one where they try and get FA cup final tickets) Rewatching that show you can pick up hints that a lot of it was influenced/inspired by Minder. In fact it was set in Acton IIRC.
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