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Post by jno on May 27, 2015 10:06:32 GMT
Link to episode on minder.org: www.minder.org/episodeguide/S03E11_PoeticJusticeInnit.htm
A very memorable episode written by Tony Hoare - Arthur is doing jury service with a lot of famous faces while Terry tries to help Debbie out.
'Gino's restaurant' at the start of this one was still on Google Street View up to 2012 but from 2014 appears as "Noodle" with Debbie's mini 1275 GT parked opposite outside the church on Windsor Road. If you look out of the window you can see the church so they are clearly eating inside there too. Debbie seems to have moved on from stripping in this one. Chisholm is in court opposite Arthur - his face when Arthur interrupts proceedings to clarify the term "fit up" is classic Chisholm! Jones is working with new copper Soames, who by all accounts nobody likes very much.
Anorak points: Dave seems to have a bit of help behind the bar in this one too in the form of a barmaid. When Terry gets Debbie from the fish'n'chip shop there is a nice little gathering of on-lookers on the street opposite. A few notable extras: Graham Cole (Tony Stamp in "The Bill") has a non-speaking role as an extra in the court and Ray Knight is sitting at the bar as Terry makes a phone call at the Winchester. The poster at Debbie's place behind Soames (pictured) is for The Who live at San Francisco's Cow Palace in November 73 (this was a concert where drummer Keith Moon collapsed and was replaced by an audience member Scot Halpin who volunteered and took over on the spot). Due to the two separate storylines Arthur & Terry are split up for the majority of this one and there is a very good use of all the characters including Dave, Debbie, Chisholm and Jones. With a great bit of dialogue and a decent punch up at the end, this is an absolutely top episode from series three with a great final line from Terry. Product of the week: see-through yashmaks for liberated Muslim ladies.
Some top lines from Arthur: - It's simple, if it's one of your own kind it's a not guilty innit? If, on the other hand, it's a nonce case in the dock, who's been getting at kids, it's into the shovel and plenty of porridge. - The fella in the Father Christmas gear made that very clear. - On top of all this agg, I am in the middle of deciding a man's fate, inn’i? - I wonder if there would be any chance of you having a word with someone about my bit of gear? - Boat race madam!
This is superb stuff - love it! 10/10
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Post by barrythebook on May 27, 2015 21:19:14 GMT
This is one of about a dozen episodes which I recorded from the TV (on VHS) when the series was repeated during the 80s. I absolutely loved it and consequently played it to death which evetually made me a little tired of it.
After a good few years of not seeing the episode,i watched it over the Christmas period and immediately realised what a classic it is.
as well as the points jno has already made, a couple of snippets worthy of mention are the speech which the Rastafarian jury member makes,
"Look! I t'ink the guy is lying through 'im teet', but it's cool, we all dig, right? So, i feel say, we should-a groove in wid the Fore-man 'ere and gi' im the benefit! Wot you say sister?"
...and Joe's (John Bardon) rant at his fellow jury member,
"Don't you come that snobby Borguoise cr*p with me mate! The trouble with people like you is, you live in a middle class ghetto and you don't get to meet the real people!"
....also, the accused occupation being "A coronation programme seller."
Great episode.
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Post by steve on May 27, 2015 21:34:13 GMT
This is one of my favourite episodes , would love to go on jury service if it was like this!
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Post by felixdeburgh on May 27, 2015 21:51:21 GMT
My favourite episode of Minder full-stop. The exchanges between Arthur and Chisholm are priceless.
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Post by Kevin Dean on Jun 26, 2015 23:45:36 GMT
Oh interesting. I know Graham Cole. I will ask him about it. He also had a small extra part in Fools when they went to Spain. Customs man I believe.
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Post by flyingsquad on Jun 27, 2015 10:39:16 GMT
Oh interesting. I know Graham Cole. I will ask him about it. He also had a small extra part in Fools when they went to Spain. Customs man I believe. That's right. The episode is 'It Never Rains'. He was also in two episodes of 'Secret Army'.
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Post by felixdeburgh on Jun 27, 2015 10:51:33 GMT
[anorak] The small amount of location filming for that Only Fools episode ('défense de fumer' etc.) was done at a hotel in Studland Bay, Dorset.[/anorak]
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Post by dan on Aug 9, 2015 18:09:55 GMT
My best minder episode ..... Without doubt. Poetic Justice. Anyone agree ?
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Post by daz on Oct 22, 2015 9:03:25 GMT
Yest another excellent episode, series 3 has been a belter and this episode about tops the lot.
From the moment it starts until it ends you cannot take your eyes of this episode, so many good performaces, so many good actors appearing, John Bardon, Pam Cundell, Michael Culver and Casandra Trotter, to name just a few appearing in a stellar cast. I am sure Soames could have appeared in a later episode or two.
Cap doffed to the writers of this series, very high quality.
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Post by ch on Oct 31, 2015 6:46:17 GMT
"Let him who lobs the first stone" absolute genius.
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Post by jno on Jan 28, 2016 15:44:59 GMT
On pages 59, 60 and 61 of the TV TIMES from 20 March - 26 March 1982, the week that 3.11 Poetic Justice, Innit? was broadcast. Page 59:Pages 60 and 61:
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Post by JackLast on Jan 30, 2016 11:54:18 GMT
Cool find!
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Post by yoyopickles on Jan 31, 2016 8:13:59 GMT
I noticed she is called Dennis watermans girlfriend, and not Terrys!
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Post by jno on Jan 31, 2016 9:58:47 GMT
Tony Hoare's girlfriend back in the day.
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Post by pr1 on Apr 24, 2016 16:00:15 GMT
I'm only about ten minutes in to this episode and I absolutely love it! Arthur Daley doing jury duty is brilliant! This is already one of my favorite episodes and I haven't seen it all yet!
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Post by pr1 on Apr 24, 2016 17:04:30 GMT
I was afraid this episode would be yet another ripoff of Twelve Angry Men. The lone jury doubts the guilt of the defendant and tries to persuade the other members of the jury. This story has been used countless times on American TV especially on sitcoms.
My fear was unfounded. Arthur may be trying to convince the jury to his view but he's not doing it for the right reasons, that he sincerely believes the accused is not guilty. I enjoyed the way Arthur puts the English Judicial System on trial in the jury room. George Cole is always amazing when Arthur is shoveling his BS double talk and the jury scenes are prime examples. It's obvious Arthur really believes the nonsense he spouts sometimes and Cole is brilliant at conveying this.
A lot of familiar faces in the episode. The storyline with Terry and Debbie is interesting. The scenes with Chislom are fun especially the ones that include Arthur.
This is definetly one of my favorite episodes and one of the best I've seen so far. Is it possible not to like this episode?
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Post by camandbert on Aug 11, 2016 10:58:19 GMT
Brilliant episode, excellent dialogue and, as noted above, so many famous faces in the large cast. One of those episodes where I watch it with IMDb open figuring out where I've seen a particular face before. Two that immediately rang a bell with me were James Cossins (the judge) famously in The Hotel Inspectors episode of Fawlty Towers and Michael Culver (Soames) who I remember as Maj. Brandt the 'good German' in the later episodes of Secret Army.
A couple more anorak points to add to those mentioned above. The episode guide notes that Dave's sister (or possibly his wife) could be called Joyce from the phone call Dave has with his brother in law. Unless the script team forgot that she had been named earlier, Joyce must be Dave's sister as his wife is named as Lucy in Days of Fines and Closures.
Legal anorak point, it is highly unlikely that a straightforward handling stolen goods case such as the one Arthur was involved in would have been prosecuted and defended by two QCs as the credits suggest.
Finally, the ITV4 edit that I saw of this recently contained two unedited 'b*stards'. There doesn't seem to be any consistency at all in what is removed and what is left in!
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Post by jno on Aug 11, 2016 12:25:29 GMT
Brilliant episode, excellent dialogue and, as noted above, so many famous faces in the large cast. One of those episodes where I watch it with IMDb open figuring out where I've seen a particular face before. Two that immediately rang a bell with me were James Cossins (the judge) famously in The Hotel Inspectors episode of Fawlty Towers and Michael Culver (Soames) who I remember as Maj. Brandt the 'good German' in the later episodes of Secret Army. A couple more anorak points to add to those mentioned above. The episode guide notes that Dave's sister (or possibly his wife) could be called Joyce from the phone call Dave has with his brother in law. Unless the script team forgot that she had been named earlier, Joyce must be Dave's sister as his wife is named as Lucy in Days of Fines and Closures. Legal anorak point, it is highly unlikely that a straightforward handling stolen goods case such as the one Arthur was involved in would have been prosecuted and defended by two QCs as the credits suggest. Finally, the ITV4 edit that I saw of this recently contained two unedited 'b*stards'. There doesn't seem to be any consistency at all in what is removed and what is left in! Great post and anorak info there camandbert - love it! Totally agree too about what's left and what's not.
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Post by gra966 on Dec 2, 2016 6:48:27 GMT
A good episode with two storylines running and we are now seeing a lot more of Chisholm's character - When Soames first appears he is a dead ringer for Hank Marvin I expected him to be carrying a guitar rather than a warrant card ! - loads of faces to spot in this one - Larry Martyn playing Smith was familiar as Mr Mash from the early episodes of Are You Being Served ? before being replaced by Arthur English as Mr Harman - We see Debbie in a very "then trendy" black Mini 1275GT - Soames uses a MK1 Cavalier - another Vauxhall press car due to the VS - Luton registration mark - a couple of almost forgotten French cars parked in the car park at the courts - a bright red Citroen Dyane & a grey Renault 20 - A good punch up in the tyre depot at the end - you can imagine that happening at Quik Fit !!
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Post by Zimbo on Jan 26, 2017 16:00:42 GMT
This is an all time classic! The episode is so good that I didn't mind Terry and Arthur being apart for most of the episode. The character of Soames here worked very well. I think that when he called Chisholm "Alfred", Chisholm's face told us he got it wrong, although I don't think it was until Around The Corner that it was revealed to be Albert, though I could be wrong. Soames might have worked well in a Rycott episode too. Patrick Malahide was superb throughout, especially when he had a mini breakdown about being paranoid when he was with Jones. Sad that it was the final appearance of Diana Malin as Debbie but what a great episode to go out in. The weather at the end with the punch up tells us this was filmed in the summer.
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Post by leaveitoutjohn on Jan 29, 2017 10:07:38 GMT
Graham Cole was also in a Well fashioned fit up.He was in Ronnie Chivers place when Arthur first brought the dresses
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Post by VAT on Jan 30, 2017 18:29:13 GMT
One of the best surely. The way Arthur carries the jury is fantastic (shades of Twelve Angry Men). GCs dialogue and its delivery in this episode is top notch in my opinion. Personally I have a few issues with the Soames sub-plot but not enough to let this great episode down in any way. Among many, many dialogue gems in this one, I always love it when Chiz meets Arthur going in to the court...''What are you doing here?? Up on one are we...'' Wonderful
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Post by yoyopickles on Jan 30, 2017 18:44:04 GMT
Anorak point- Graham Cole also played a Cyberman in Doctor Who and was an extra in The Bill before getting the part of Tony Stamp in The Bill. I last saw him in WHITE Christmas on stage up the west end in 2014.
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Post by barrythebook on Feb 5, 2017 21:42:29 GMT
Among many, many dialogue gems in this one, I always love it when Chiz meets Arthur going in to the court...''What are you doing here?? Up on one are we...'' Wonderful "A few misdemeanours in the dim and distant past do not disqulify me!" Class. Pure class .
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Post by felixdeburgh on Feb 5, 2017 22:05:34 GMT
Chisholm's face when he says, "Jury service? You?" is just brilliant.
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Post by pr1 on Feb 5, 2017 22:09:34 GMT
Chisholm's face when he says, "Jury service? You?" is just brilliant. A great moment in a great episode.
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Post by jno on Feb 6, 2017 4:54:31 GMT
Chisholm's face when he says, "Jury service? You?" is just brilliant. A great moment in a great episode. Totally agree, Patrick Malahide was such an important addition to Minder although I neither realised nor appreciated it in the 80s. When I was younger it was all about watching George Cole & Dennis Waterman, but in recent years Patrick Malahide and Peter Childs's parts in the series are nothing short of an acting masterclass from start to finish. It is also nice to see Jones having his first real story too. One of the few times you see him on his own early on in the series here.
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Post by rjc77 on Apr 19, 2017 23:46:22 GMT
Normally, violence of any sort makes me cringe but the tyre yard scene near the very end of this episode where Terry batters those two evil thugs senseless is, what can I say..........absolute CLASS!!
SSS-SSS, I WANT A WORD WITH YOU TWO SCUMBAGS!!
RJC
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Post by barrythebook on Apr 20, 2017 21:34:00 GMT
The younger of the two is quite timid,looks to his pal for reassurance several times and doesn't give Terry much to worry about but the other guy is more serious and gives Tel a run for his money.
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Post by jno on May 19, 2017 18:57:07 GMT
A little article from The Daily Express from Wednesday 24th March 1982.
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