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Post by jno on May 17, 2015 20:46:49 GMT
Link to episode on minder.org: www.minder.org/episodeguide/S05E04_TheSecondTimeAround.htm
I think this is probably one of the weakest Minder episodes of the Terry era in my opinion. Although the acting is on top form I can't say the same about the script which is weak. There seems to be very little going on in this one and it is also void of any laughs and pretty low on decent one liners either. The best this has to offer is:
- "Hi I'm Andy" to which Terry replies "I'm a bit tasty myself son!"
- "Writer? She couldn't write home for money!"
Terry only really gets the job and the whole episode's plot is based around Arthur being proud of Ruby and her work which comes from their good old days together. The Divine Light Movement is stretching believability a little and Ruby constantly going over the story is almost irritating at times because it goes on too long. Poor old Terry only says "Do What?!" once as well and clearly shows his compassionate side.
What this does have going for it apart from a little bit of Arthur & Terry banter is of course Beryl Reid who pays her part very well. John Landry as Ronnie Todd is also a pretty shifty character who is up to no good throughout. Bill Maynard is another famous face who plays his part well but the whole thing falls pretty flat on its face for me after about 10 minutes and the could possibly be a contender for the worst Terry episode and not one I tend to return to out of choice.
4/10 at best for this one from me I'm afraid.
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Post by felixdeburgh on May 17, 2015 21:35:01 GMT
Wholeheartedly agree there jno - an unusually weak Terry episode and one I'm in no rush to see again.
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Post by gustav on Aug 31, 2015 15:38:30 GMT
Watched this on ITV4 today for the first time. Quite new to me and although it has got some good characters I have to agree with everyone above, it is not a great one and not one I would be in a hurry to watch again.
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Post by daz on Sept 2, 2015 11:40:16 GMT
Some good moments in it, made better by good actors. They must have had a VAT too many in the script department the day they did that one, maybe some kid in on a YOP scheme was let loose.
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Post by glazbury on Sept 5, 2015 15:21:00 GMT
Quite a poor episode with not much going on really and not very much great dialogue to make up for it either. I find that Andy bloke walking around humming very annoying and a bit daft!
I do like furniture maker Tony Strong's reply when Terry asks him about the furniture:
Terry: "This Georgian?"
Tony Strong: "Yeah, George made it last week!"
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Post by pr1 on Jul 17, 2016 20:56:24 GMT
Some fine Terry and Arthur banter but overall it's a weak episode. A bit dull and for me the fifty minutes felt much longer. I hope this is just a misstep and the rest of Series Five is better.
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Post by syrupapplesnpears on Sept 2, 2016 20:32:35 GMT
Naysayer alert!
It doesn't have the usual argy-bargy of the classic episodes but, for me, Beryl Reid is more than just a dusted-off actor from the 70s. Watch this episode again as a drama and not just as a 'Minder' that perhaps neglects its principle characters and you'll find a damn good hour of entertainment. Personally, I think this episode manages a good balance; it may be somewhat 'relaxed' by previous standards, but watch how Terry warms to her - he studied under Lord Olivier, you know. There's some great lines too, like the bit where Arthur's talking to Terry while watching her at the TV studio:
Terry: She's talkin' about the petty criminals she used to know - obviously remembers you".
ARTHUR: Tarra [hangs up].
Nah (Meh, perhaps?), this is a very good episode and, for a series like this, you need a bit of variety - and here it is. Isn't that why we love it?
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Post by VAT on Sept 3, 2016 15:18:02 GMT
Naysayer alert! It doesn't have the usual argy-bargy of the classic episodes but, for me, Beryl Reid is more than just a dusted-off actor from the 70s. Watch this episode again as a drama and not just as a 'Minder' that perhaps neglects its principal characters and you'll find a damn good hour of entertainment. Personally, I think this episode manages a good balance; it may be somewhat 'relaxed' by previous standards, but watch how Terry warms to her - he studied under Lord Olivier, you know. There's some great lines too, like the bit where Arthur's talking to Terry while watching her at the TV studio: Terry: She's talkin' about the petty criminals she used to know - obviously remembers you". ARTHUR: Tarra [hangs up]. Nah (Meh, perhaps?), this is a very good episode and, for a series like this, you need a bit of variety - and here it is. Isn't that why we love it? Yes, I know what you mean about this one. I quite like it, but it is a bit different for sure, certainly a different tempo from the ep shown before it (Scratchwood). But I can see why others may not agree, but for me, I think the positives, just outweigh the negatives (not sure this applies to the other slightly leftfield eps, Dreamhouse, Not a Bad Lad) and its one I still watch quite often. Love the way Arthur has to track down Barney and I like the scenes with him and Arthur. Also the way this ep delves a little into Arthur's past and is really about people he had clearly known for a long time...but I agree the relationship scenes between Ruby and Barney bogs this one down a bit. But Barney pulls out a cracker right at the end as Arthur waves him off into the taxi...calling Arthur a robber as he realises Arthur's charged him 5 grand for the furniture! Its a great little quip the way he says it... |
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Post by gra966 on Feb 1, 2017 6:11:58 GMT
A much slower paced episode , lacking in any real action , but well acted & some amusing moments Loved that wonderful old car radio in Ruby s Rolls , when Terry is listening to the football Nigel Le Vailant , playing "Humming Andy" was familiar as the lead in 90s vet drama , Dangerfield - his partner , Erika Hoffman , was the pregnant au pair in Only Fools & Horses |
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Post by Arch Stanton on Apr 19, 2017 7:34:03 GMT
I think the reason this is so hit and miss on here is because it has the potential to be a really good episode but doesn't quite fulfil it.
I think some find that frustrating, whereas others are less so put off and can see certain positives.
Personally, I thought it was okay, bout average really.
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Post by Zimbo on May 25, 2017 16:11:16 GMT
Bit of a nothing episode. Beryl Reid is excellent here and good to see the lovely Fiona Mollison but the story doesn't really go anywhere. Writer Geoffrey Case also wrote Windows in series 4, which I didn't like either.
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Post by ltd on Sept 26, 2017 12:53:00 GMT
John Landry as Ronnie Todd is also a pretty shifty character who is up to no good throughout. He was the eponymous lead in Turtle's Progress - someone with more than a touch of the Arthur Daley about him. Interesting to see him playing a similar character in this and going up against Numero Uno. Not surprisingly he comes off worst - a metaphor for the respective fates of Minder and Turtle's Progress perhaps? I watched this again quite recently and accept that it's quite slow and doesn't really go anywhere but agree with syrupapplesnpears that it still has a lot to recommend it. Arthur facing down the bent lawyer is a great scene I think. I also like his borderline alkie mate Hodgson who seems to be not very successful white collar criminal of some sort (struck off solicitor or accountant?). One of those many supporting characters you wouldn't mind seeing pop up again. |
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Post by thewoodster on Feb 22, 2018 21:32:41 GMT
Even though good all star cast.
Not up there with the best, in fact if we were judging the poorest, it would be a good contender.
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Post by pr1 on Mar 11, 2018 23:22:05 GMT
Despite some great lines of dialogue throughout the episode my opinion of this episode went down even more watching it again.
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Post by thewoodster on Mar 22, 2018 0:14:31 GMT
I totally agree pr1, it's not one of the best.
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Post by westldner on Aug 4, 2018 18:47:01 GMT
I had a tough time watching this. Wondering what was going on and hard to get the idea that it's almost like in real life or maybe it felt like I got too close and personal. Maybe Minder taking a rest from their original screen-writing. It could have been a lot better to be honest with what they had.
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Post by gustav on Aug 11, 2018 15:36:31 GMT
Yes I think I will have to mark this one as Poor, the only time I have marked any Minder less than Good, but there isn't much to commend this episode. If it wasn't Minder I would be tempted to say Rubbish.
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Post by jno on Jun 23, 2019 11:33:08 GMT
TV listing from The Guardian from 26th September 1984:  |
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Post by McCann on Jun 23, 2019 19:31:57 GMT
Probably the poorest episode of the Terry years. A filler episode for series 5. Bill Maynard was good in it though.
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Post by ned on Nov 19, 2019 23:48:28 GMT
I always skip this episode when it comes around but I watched it tonight. Yes, it's far from vintage and runs out of steam well before the end, but overall it was better than I remembered. It felt a bit like a Ray episode. It's still not one I'd put on by choice though.
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Post by Twin2 on Nov 20, 2019 6:01:25 GMT
A much slower paced episode , lacking in any real action , but well acted & some amusing moments Loved that wonderful old car radio in Ruby s Rolls , when Terry is listening to the football Nigel Le Vailant , playing "Humming Andy" was familiar as the lead in 90s vet drama , Dangerfield - his partner , Erika Hoffman , was the pregnant au pair in Only Fools & Horses Thank you! I knew she looked familiar but couldn't quite place her.
Not one of my go-to favourite episodes but it has it's moments.
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Post by logie on Apr 13, 2020 10:01:12 GMT
Not sure what to make of this episode, so was interested to see what the rest of the forum thought. On the whole, I agree with most posts above though personally I might place it just above the relegation zone thanks to the performances of Beryl Reid and the always watchable Bill Maynard.
A shame, though, as S5 had got off to a rip-roaring start with 3 of the best Terry episodes back-to-back. Next up, 'Second Hand Pose' which I'm not overly familiar with and think I may have only seen once before in the heavily-edited Granada Plus years.
Also, is this the only Minder that shares a title with an Only Fools and Horses episode?
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Post by barrythebook on Apr 20, 2020 15:00:19 GMT
When this one's shown on ITV4, click on programme information on the remote and the description comes up as follows,
'Terry fills in at an antique shop when the owner is hospitalised after receiving a beating from thugs demanding protection money.'
Surely that's describing 'Whose Wife Is It Anyway'.
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Post by madaboutdeltics on Apr 21, 2020 9:21:23 GMT
Watching this, this morning on ITV player.
I find it very good but not up to the standard of the first 3 episodes of series 5 which are among the best of all Minder episodes, so some strong competition there.
Love the bit about Arthur being involved in “ban the bomb” in the 1960s and Terry’s obvious surprise only for Arthur to quip back “used to flog them badges”
Some great lines and interplay between Dennis and George as always.
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Post by felixdeburgh on Apr 21, 2020 9:33:15 GMT
When this one's shown on ITV4, click on programme information on the remote and the description comes up as follows, 'Terry fills in at an antique shop when the owner is hospitalised after receiving a beating from thugs demanding protection money.' Surely that's describing 'Whose Wife Is It Anyway'. Their descriptions are all over the place using ones which are obviously from other episodes, as well as using pictures of Bodie and Doyle! |
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Post by jno on Apr 21, 2020 9:45:54 GMT
When this one's shown on ITV4, click on programme information on the remote and the description comes up as follows, 'Terry fills in at an antique shop when the owner is hospitalised after receiving a beating from thugs demanding protection money.' Surely that's describing 'Whose Wife Is It Anyway'. Their descriptions are all over the place using ones which are obviously from other episodes, as well as using pictures of Bodie and Doyle! Another reason NOT to watch Minder on ITV4. |
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Post by barrythebook on Apr 21, 2020 12:25:00 GMT
When this one's shown on ITV4, click on programme information on the remote and the description comes up as follows, 'Terry fills in at an antique shop when the owner is hospitalised after receiving a beating from thugs demanding protection money.' Surely that's describing 'Whose Wife Is It Anyway'. Their descriptions are all over the place using ones which are obviously from other episodes, as well as using pictures of Bodie and Doyle! Really? I haven't come across that one yet - that's terrible. |
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Post by felixdeburgh on Apr 21, 2020 13:31:15 GMT
Yep, I think I even took a picture of it once. It was for the late night/early morning broadcast and happened on more than one occasion |
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Post by felixdeburgh on Apr 21, 2020 14:53:52 GMT
...and, of course, they doubled up working for Harry Rule:  |
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Post by jjmolloy on Apr 21, 2020 15:26:52 GMT
I always liked this one, has a rather melancholy air at times, it's also good when someone else reminds Arthur about his past and he gets embarrassed! Like the bit also when Arthur gets called round to Ruby's place and arrives all dressed up grumbling that he was ''at a function'' Don't hear that word much anymore.
Good to see Bill Maynard too, I read that in the 60s he was the highest paid actor on British TV at one stage.
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