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Post by barrythebook on May 1, 2021 0:15:24 GMT
Watched this again, brilliant episode full of comedy moments - remember watching it when first broadcast and finding the dog - who should have been credited- scene with Arthur brilliantly funny. Great lines from GC 'I have read my Denis Wheatley' and 'I've been witness to supernatural phenomenomenom' Harry Fowler brilliant as the odious Monte Wiseman and Randolph a cut above the average adversary, has something about him. ...and as previously mentioned, add in a lovely performance from Harold Innocent and you've got a cracking episode.
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Post by I used to think I was a parrot on May 22, 2021 21:35:39 GMT
Has anyone ever met someone who actually talks in Monty's comedy Jewish accent? They always use it on tv!
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Post by barrythebook on May 23, 2021 10:07:33 GMT
Has anyone ever met someone who actually talks in Monty's comedy Jewish accent? They always use it on tv! No I haven't and I agree it is 'comedy'. There's an episode of 'Prospects' in which Bernard Hepton really turns the Jewish accent on and I seem to remember Warren Mitchell using it in something as well but I can't remember what.
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Post by felixdeburgh on May 23, 2021 10:17:06 GMT
Has anyone ever met someone who actually talks in Monty's comedy Jewish accent? They always use it on tv! Yes, I have. It was in Stamford Hill and I was thinking at the time that he reminded me of someone but it was only later that I realised it was Mont. Schmeitz!
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Post by Barrel on Feb 21, 2022 1:19:31 GMT
Has anyone ever met someone who actually talks in Monty's comedy Jewish accent? They always use it on tv! No I haven't and I agree it is 'comedy'. There's an episode of 'Prospects' in which Bernard Hepton really turns the Jewish accent on and I seem to remember Warren Mitchell using it in something as well but I can't remember what. I did used to come across that accent here in West/north west London.I clearly remember a couple of jewish families in the late 90s and early 2000s who were property landlords who I managed stuff for, the older males having that kind of accent although wisemans has a tinge of South African too....in fairness i havnt heard it for 15 odd years now ...the old boys who had it retired.
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Post by Barrel on Feb 21, 2022 1:23:33 GMT
This was an interesting series opener .One of those elusive havnt seen before episodes im going through up to series 5 to complete the series.
I agree Wiseman was a utterly ruthless and fairly unlikeable figure.
Quattro is a handsome woman at this stage in her career but totally agree this was a vehicle...for her as an actress...and for the series it started to bring in these " made" celebrities sporadically from this point on in the DW years.
I scored it average
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Post by barrythebook on Feb 21, 2022 19:27:22 GMT
Quattro is a handsome woman at this stage in her career ...and that was slouching around in Jeans and a leather jacket! Wonder what she would have looked like 'glammed up' in a nice little tight mini dress, high heels, make up and hair done etc.
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Post by Barrel on Feb 21, 2022 22:49:23 GMT
Lol nice one Baz. I think Suzi Quattro couldve been better off playing the Debbie Arnold role in Orient Express
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Post by stagger on Jun 7, 2022 12:50:21 GMT
It must have been a year or so after me and my pal had left high school when we were cycling through Tooting, en route to the Broadway on our old bikes, that my pal Mario, leading the way, turned back and shouted at me "It's Terry!" I didn't know what was going on until he suddenly pulled over and excitedly started pointing and saying "It's Terry, Terry McCann!" And it was. There's a scene in this episode where Terry visits the funeral parlour (Knox Brothers on Mitcham Road- which I believe has since moved premises)
There was a small crowd of fans which had already gathered and the filming must have been on pause because Dennis was talking to a few people and signing autographs. I remember clearly he had a really warm smile as he looked down at the papers he was signing. Me and Mario stayed on our bikes and just watched, looking out for any sign of Arthur. But as we now know he wasn't in that particular scene.
I remember it was a sunny afternoon that day and we were over the moon. What a moment that was!
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Post by barrythebook on Jun 7, 2022 15:03:11 GMT
It must have been a year or so after me and my pal had left high school when we were cycling through Tooting, en route to the Broadway on our old bikes, that my pal Mario, leading the way, turned back and shouted at me "It's Terry!" I didn't know what was going on until he suddenly pulled over and excitedly started pointing and saying "It's Terry, Terry McCann!" And it was. There's a scene in this episode where Terry visits the funeral parlour (Knox Brothers on Mitcham Road- which I believe has since moved premises) There was a small crowd of fans which had already gathered and the filming must have been on pause because Dennis was talking to a few people and signing autographs. I remember clearly he had a really warm smile as he looked down at the papers he was signing. Me and Mario stayed on our bikes and just watched, looking out for any sign of Arthur. But as we now know he wasn't in that particular scene. I remember it was a sunny afternoon that day and we were over the moon. What a moment that was! Great memory to have stagger and good to hear that DW was integrating with some Minder fans. This type of thing must have happened quite regularly once location filming took over from studio based productions. Please make the story a real gem by saying the bike you were riding was a Raleigh Chopper.
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Post by steve99 on Jun 7, 2022 16:58:57 GMT
Watched this again today and realised what a lovely performance Harold Innocent put in as 'incapable'. The eloquent speech he gives, after accidently bumping into a woman on the street when he comes out of the cornershop (a brilliant location btw which you wont find nowadays), can be taken as intelligent, sarcastic, funny, pathetic, pitiful or a little part of each all put together - it's a lovely little scene, whatever. Then waving 'goodbye' to the empty bottle he's thrown off a bridge into The Thames(?) can also be taken as sad, funny, pitiful etc. I was a little surprised to see him living in the bedsit. He was obviously fairly well bred, from a good background and education so I was thinking that even though he'd had his problems which led to a life of alcohol abuse, sleeping rough and losing his career that he'd be part of a very well to do, wealthy family who'd at least provide him with a roof over his head at the family home. Harold Innocent was impressive in the role of a man from an affluent background and in the highest of professions who has lost everything - including his self-respect - through his over-indulgence of alcohol. Re Incapable's family perhaps helping him out, I was listening to an interview a while back with Graham Cole, aka The Bill's Tony Stamp, which I thought of when watching this episode recently. As a young man Graham worked for the NHS and his duties included going on the streets to assist those living rough stay in as good health as was practical. Graham said he noticed one of the older female rough sleepers always had immaculate hair and it transpired the woman was from an old school wealthy family who disowned her when she became pregnant outwith marriage, this having happened round about the 1930s. Terry gives a hint of Monty Wiseman's character in the car when Arthur broaches the 'work' he has in mind and Wiseman certainly kept any redeeming features very well-hidden, although it was a top-rate performance from Harry Fowler. There was more than a touch of the tragi-comic in this story, with Wiseman shouting at Incapable "Shift your drunken @rse!" and the coffin being placed the wrong way up in Terry's flat - "You've even got 'im on 'is 'ead!" I think it was in the Piers Morgan interview with Dennis that the scene with Patricia Maynard's character attacking Arthur was mentioned. Someone, perhaps Patricia herself, said normally the crew would laugh in this situation but there was an awkward silence when the scene ended, which Patricia was later to find out related to Dennis and Rula Lenska.
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Post by barrythebook on Jun 7, 2022 18:31:49 GMT
Watched this again today and realised what a lovely performance Harold Innocent put in as 'incapable'. The eloquent speech he gives, after accidently bumping into a woman on the street when he comes out of the cornershop (a brilliant location btw which you wont find nowadays), can be taken as intelligent, sarcastic, funny, pathetic, pitiful or a little part of each all put together - it's a lovely little scene, whatever. Then waving 'goodbye' to the empty bottle he's thrown off a bridge into The Thames(?) can also be taken as sad, funny, pitiful etc. I was a little surprised to see him living in the bedsit. He was obviously fairly well bred, from a good background and education so I was thinking that even though he'd had his problems which led to a life of alcohol abuse, sleeping rough and losing his career that he'd be part of a very well to do, wealthy family who'd at least provide him with a roof over his head at the family home. Harold Innocent was impressive in the role of a man from an affluent background and in the highest of professions who has lost everything - including his self-respect - through his over-indulgence of alcohol. Re Incapable's family perhaps helping him out, I was listening to an interview a while back with Graham Cole, aka The Bill's Tony Stamp, which I thought of when watching this episode recently. As a young man Graham worked for the NHS and his duties included going on the streets to assist those living rough stay in as good health as was practical. Graham said he noticed one of the older female rough sleepers always had immaculate hair and it transpired the woman was from an old-school wealthy family who disowned her when she became pregnant outwith marriage, this having happened round about the 1930s. Terry gives a hint of Monty Wiseman's character in the car when Arthur broaches the 'work' he has in mind and Wiseman certainly kept any redeeming features very well-hidden, although it was a top-rate performance from Harry Fowler. There was more than a touch of the tragi-comic in this story, with Wiseman shouting at Incapable "Shift your drunken @rse!" and the coffin being placed the wrong way up in Terry's flat - "You've even got 'im on 'is 'ead!" I think it was in the Piers Morgan interview with Dennis that the scene with Patricia Maynard's character attacking Arthur was mentioned. Someone, perhaps Patricia herself, said normally the crew would laugh in this situation but there was an awkward silence when the scene ended, which Patricia was later to find out related to Dennis and Rula Lenska. So was Dennis carrying on with Rula behind PMs back?
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Post by stagger on Jun 7, 2022 18:51:27 GMT
Great memory to have stagger and good to hear that DW was integrating with some Minder fans. This type of thing must have happened quite regularly once location filming took over from studio based productions. Please make the story a real gem by saying the bike you were riding was a Raleigh Chopper. Unfortunately not, barry, although I did knock about on one a few years earlier, the red/yellow model. As I recall, our bikes at the time were on their last legs. Shame Arthur wasn't about to see us alright for some newer ones - though probably would have ended up falling off Penny Farthings (Albanian job lot, mix-up at factory, big wheel at the back etc)
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Post by barrythebook on Jun 7, 2022 19:20:20 GMT
Great memory to have stagger and good to hear that DW was integrating with some Minder fans. This type of thing must have happened quite regularly once location filming took over from studio based productions. Please make the story a real gem by saying the bike you were riding was a Raleigh Chopper. Unfortunately not, barry, although I did knock about on one a few years earlier, the red/yellow model. As I recall, our bikes at the time were on their last legs. Shame Arthur wasn't about to see us alright for some newer ones - though probably would have ended up falling off Penny Farthings (Albanian job lot, mix-up at factory, big wheel at the back etc)
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Post by steve99 on Jun 7, 2022 21:40:08 GMT
Harold Innocent was impressive in the role of a man from an affluent background and in the highest of professions who has lost everything - including his self-respect - through his over-indulgence of alcohol. Re Incapable's family perhaps helping him out, I was listening to an interview a while back with Graham Cole, aka The Bill's Tony Stamp, which I thought of when watching this episode recently. As a young man Graham worked for the NHS and his duties included going on the streets to assist those living rough stay in as good health as was practical. Graham said he noticed one of the older female rough sleepers always had immaculate hair and it transpired the woman was from an old-school wealthy family who disowned her when she became pregnant outwith marriage, this having happened round about the 1930s. Terry gives a hint of Monty Wiseman's character in the car when Arthur broaches the 'work' he has in mind and Wiseman certainly kept any redeeming features very well-hidden, although it was a top-rate performance from Harry Fowler. There was more than a touch of the tragi-comic in this story, with Wiseman shouting at Incapable "Shift your drunken @rse!" and the coffin being placed the wrong way up in Terry's flat - "You've even got 'im on 'is 'ead!" I think it was in the Piers Morgan interview with Dennis that the scene with Patricia Maynard's character attacking Arthur was mentioned. Someone, perhaps Patricia herself, said normally the crew would laugh in this situation but there was an awkward silence when the scene ended, which Patricia was later to find out related to Dennis and Rula Lenska. So was Dennis carrying on with Rula behind PMs back? On the Piers Morgan programme, Linda Agran said one or two of the Minder backroom staff felt guilty for casting Rula in her first Minder role, as if they hadn't the relationship with Dennis wouldn't have happened and he may have remained with Patricia Maynard. In his younger days though I think Dennis's head was too easily turned by attractive women, as not long after he left Patricia Maynard for Rula Lenska he had an affair with Amanda Redman. Dennis only really settled eventually with Pam Flint, who told him to apologise to his daughters for leaving home when they were young. However, I recall reading Hannah Waterman saying she and her sister had told their father they were ok with it as they knew he didn't mean to hurt them and it was a case of his wandering eye getting the better of him. Pam Flint seemed to be on good terms with Patricia Maynard and Dennis's daughters as they appeared as a team on a quiz show together, Family Fortunes I think, and Dennis said in ReMinder Patricia Maynard and her husband attended Dennis's 50th birthday party.
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Post by yoyopickles on Dec 12, 2022 12:22:44 GMT
Yet another episode that has been omitted from ITV4's current re run
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Post by jjmolloy on Dec 12, 2022 14:15:04 GMT
Yet another episode that has been omitted from ITV4's current re run Was there last time. Words fail me.
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Post by yoyopickles on Dec 12, 2022 15:22:18 GMT
Yet another episode that has been omitted from ITV4's current re run Was there last time. Words fail me. Quite a few have been omitted on this re run
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Post by Albert Wendell on Dec 12, 2022 23:24:26 GMT
Yet another episode that has been omitted from ITV4's current re run If they are showing these in the day times could it be because Nancy (Suzi Quatro) is smoking drugs in this and ITV4 have now decided this episode is no longer suitable to be shown.
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Post by ontheslate on Dec 13, 2022 6:52:54 GMT
Yet another episode that has been omitted from ITV4's current re run I don’t even bother with ITV4 showings of minder anymore they are cut too heavily and some episodes are totally omitted.If I’m going through the tv guide and see an episode I fancy watching I normally get the dvd out.
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Post by yoyopickles on Dec 13, 2022 7:22:16 GMT
Yet another episode that has been omitted from ITV4's current re run I don’t even bother with ITV4 showings of minder anymore they are cut too heavily and some episodes are totally omitted.If I’m going through the tv guide and see an episode I fancy watching I normally get the dvd out. I have both the British and all the Aussie box sets,but it is something about being able to watch it actually being broadcast that is always special, especially as I'm pretty much housebound following yet more foot surgery and live on my own
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Post by ontheslate on Dec 13, 2022 8:33:59 GMT
I know what you mean by actually watching it on tv, but I very rarely watch live tv normally recorded so I scan past the adverts
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Post by yoyopickles on Dec 13, 2022 9:57:00 GMT
I know what you mean by actually watching it on tv, but I very rarely watch live tv normally recorded so I scan past the adverts I never forget the buzz I felt in 2009,when minder albeit with Archie Daley,was about to be broadcast! The excitement of seeing brand new episodes and mainly hoping to hear what Arthur,ray ,Dave and Terry had been upto!
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Post by geoffc on Jun 26, 2023 16:08:11 GMT
Do we know how Suzi Quattro came to be cast ? Did she or her agent approach the producers or the reverse - did Tony Hoare write the part with her in mind ? Or just a happy accident , she happened to be in London / in the news at the time and her name was mentioned as a throw-a-way during casting ? I know some people think it was a mistake - I can understand that - her fame at the time distracts from the other characters and I guess she played herself rather than acted a part. Which is also a problem as that reality could jar with the idea its all fiction. However overall I think it worked as a one-off. I loved the Monty Wiseman character - more a pantomime villain than a truly nasty piece of work. Jewish slang has a close affinity with London's East End. I remember hearing schmuck, schmaltz, kibosh etc in the Hackney pubs I drank in as a timid country boy new to London in the mid 70's. The pub over the road from the office was run by Nat & Helen - a Jewish couple. They let us office boys run up a small tab behind the bar - useful when you're on £42 a week. Happy memories. I also think the Arthur character was finally close to perfection as a fast talking, blustering but comically cowardly figure - similar to Bob Hope's persona in his "Paleface" films. Arthur's comment - "spirit of the nether regions" always makes me laugh. I might stretch to 5/5.
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Post by jjmolloy on Jun 27, 2023 11:56:17 GMT
Do we know how Suzi Quattro came to be cast ? Did she or her agent approach the producers or the reverse - did Tony Hoare write the part with her in mind ? Of just a happy accident , she happened to be in London / in the news at the time and her name was mentioned as a throw-a-way during casting ? I know some people think it was a mistake - I can understand that - her fame at the time distracts from the other characters and I guess she played herself rather than acted a part. Which is also a problem as that reality could jar with the idea its all fiction. However overall I think it worked as a one-off. I loved the Monty Wiseman character - more a pantomime villain than a truly nasty piece of work. Jewish slang has a close affinity with London's East End. I remember hearing schmuck, schmaltz, kibosh etc in the Hackney pubs I drank in as a timid country boy new to London in the mid 70's. The pub over the road from the office was run by Nat & Helen - a Jewish couple. They let us office boys run up a small tab behind the bar - useful when you're on £42 a week. Happy memories. I also think the Arthur character was finally close to perfection as a fast talking, blustering but comically cowardly figure - similar to Bob Hope's persona in his "Paleface" films. Arthur's comment - "spirit of the nether regions" always makes me laugh. I might stretch to 5/5. Yes, I found Monty's sthick and patter very amusing and charming. It's a pity we don't see more of it on TV, but maybe the newer generations don't do it. The East End has seen many influxes from abroad down the centuries, from the Hugenots from France, then Irish fleeing the famine, then Jews escaping the pogroms, then Indians/Bangladeshis, as in What Makes Shamy Run when they go to Brick Lane and one of the shops Arthur stops at has faded lettering from when it was a Jewish concern.
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Post by spacecadet on Jun 27, 2023 17:21:05 GMT
Do we know how Suzi Quattro came to be cast ? Did she or her agent approach the producers or the reverse - did Tony Hoare write the part with her in mind ? Of just a happy accident , she happened to be in London / in the news at the time and her name was mentioned as a throw-a-way during casting ? I know some people think it was a mistake - I can understand that - her fame at the time distracts from the other characters and I guess she played herself rather than acted a part. Which is also a problem as that reality could jar with the idea its all fiction. However overall I think it worked as a one-off. You might find some of the answers in the Minder podcast that interviews Suzi Quattro - I can't remember everything she said though as I listened to it some time ago. Suzi Quatro Minder podcast
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Post by Portland Road on Jul 5, 2023 4:50:16 GMT
Suzi had played the bass-player in the band in several episodes of 'Happy Days' (1977-79) - the 'Minder' part was for a singer and Suzi, based in the Uk with a run of top forty hits over the preceding decade, was a ready choice.
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