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Post by McCann on Jul 17, 2020 21:24:10 GMT
Average episode this. A crazy plot but it does have its moments.
The trip to Brighton clearly makes a lot of use of the same private test track seen in Sweeney caper episode 'hearts and minds'.
A blooper in this is Arthur is shown staring into the Volvo side mirror for a few moments as Sidney is hanging out of the side of the caravan. It looks pretty clear that Arthur is fixated by the caravan in the mirror.
Next shot Arthur acts all surprised that Sidney is there and they need to stop the car to get Sidney out of it. Thing is why did Sidney need to travel in the caravan. He could have remained in the back of that big old Volvo with the rug over his head.
For someone in such a prediciment, needing help, Sidney is such an awkward and difficult 'hostage'. He doesn't really help Arthur and Ray out very much.
Another link to old Minder episodes might be Dave's brother in law who was a copper. Doesn't Dave seek his help in tracking down a number plate in a series 2 or 3 episode? Might be 'The old school tie' or maybe 'poetic justice' can't quite pin it down off the top of my head.
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Post by swainy on Jul 18, 2020 5:29:44 GMT
Yeah Dave’s brother in law was another creation of Tony Hoare’s and was used a couple of times during the early years.
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Post by joshmel on Oct 13, 2020 15:51:38 GMT
Priceless. Very funny Arthur taking Dave’s sister uninsured caravan. 😂
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Post by Dazza on Oct 19, 2020 12:48:48 GMT
Always thought this was a ridiculous episode..
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Post by swainy on Oct 19, 2020 16:34:10 GMT
As I’ve said before, I think that this episode would have worked better with Solly Salmon from ‘The Return Of The Invincible Man’ instead of Andrew Sachs Sidney character. He was known for his dodgy insurance claims which would have made the episode a bit more believable and a nice throwback for long time Minder fans.
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Post by bigaitch on Apr 17, 2021 21:07:49 GMT
This was okay but no more than that. I think the plot was absurd but it is rescued by George Cole and Andrew Sachs adding some comedy moments.
The torching of the caravan was well done and Arthur berating the chap in Salvation Army canteen for slurping his soup was very funny, especially as in the previous breath he had been going on to Sydney about showing compassion.
I would love to have seen how Arthur explained the caravan meeting it’s demise to Dave and his sister....I think they missed a trick there.
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Post by myinspiration on Jul 5, 2021 22:19:23 GMT
Average episode this. A crazy plot but it does have its moments. The trip to Brighton clearly makes a lot of use of the same private test track seen in Sweeney caper episode 'hearts and minds'. A blooper in this is Arthur is shown staring into the Volvo side mirror for a few moments as Sidney is hanging out of the side of the caravan. It looks pretty clear that Arthur is fixated by the caravan in the mirror. Next shot Arthur acts all surprised that Sidney is there and they need to stop the car to get Sidney out of it. Thing is why did Sidney need to travel in the caravan. He could have remained in the back of that big old Volvo with the rug over his head. For someone in such a prediciment, needing help, Sidney is such an awkward and difficult 'hostage'. He doesn't really help Arthur and Ray out very much. Another link to old Minder episodes might be Dave's brother in law who was a copper. Doesn't Dave seek his help in tracking down a number plate in a series 2 or 3 episode? Might be 'The old school tie' or maybe 'poetic justice' can't quite pin it down off the top of my head. I liked the link to Dave's brother in law. I now realise that's because of Tony Hoare's writing - thanks. Can't think of the episode either, sorry. |
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Post by swainy on Jul 6, 2021 4:04:24 GMT
I think it’s ‘Poetic Justice, Innit?’.
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Post by freddiefenton on Sept 19, 2021 20:05:50 GMT
As I’ve said before, I think that this episode would have worked better with Solly Salmon from ‘The Return Of The Invincible Man’ instead of Andrew Sachs Sidney character. He was known for his dodgy insurance claims which would have made the episode a bit more believable and a nice throwback for long time Minder fans. Agree with this. Solly Solomon would have been a better option in this episode, though the story is way over the top. Don't think Minder is as good when the story is more comedy than drama. |
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Post by jno on Nov 8, 2021 3:27:37 GMT
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Post by coyote on Jan 5, 2022 17:38:39 GMT
Arthur trying to blag his way into the grand hotel is a nice little nod to national pelmet That was The Metropole which is next door to The Grand  |
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Post by Barrel on Jan 12, 2022 0:13:27 GMT
A good episode...."of this we need reminding?" as the Andrew Sachs character might reply. I found him mildly annoying and his plotline and behaviour unconvincing....eg posting himself in a box...hiring a would be killer than needing to escape him,but all the while concerned with saving money...its all too slapstick as is his hanging out of the caravan... but I always enjoy Arthur surviving on his wits out of his natural habitat and manor, as with the Oz and Calais adventures. But I was expecting a bit more of the 100th episode
On a plus point I liked the two young " skinheads" and their sense of humour.When Ray asked them if they had anything to do with the geezer posting himself in a box, and they spontaneously laughed out loud, I did so along with them.
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Post by jno on Jan 12, 2022 6:19:49 GMT
A good episode...."of this we need reminding?" as the Andrew Sachs character might reply. I found him mildly annoying and his plotline and behaviour unconvincing....eg posting himself in a box...hiring a would be killer than needing to escape him but all the while concerned with saving money...its all too slapstick as is his hanging out of the caravan... but I always enjoy Arthur surviving on his wits out of his natural habitat and manor as with the Oz and Calais adventures. But was expecting a more of the 100th episode Hence I gave this a 'Good'. The previous episode was way better and for me would have been a better choice as the 100th, but hey ho. |
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Post by thewoodster on Jan 24, 2022 21:34:21 GMT
I agree barrel.
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Post by ontheslate on Jan 25, 2022 7:09:25 GMT
To me this episode despite having some good parts just didn’t work, Andrew Sachs’ character is annoying and badly overacted the skinhead storyline was ridiculous obviously George Cole acting saves the episode. It’s amazing to think this was fifteen years after the first episode as it seems a totally different atomsphere but I suppose there was huge differences since 1979
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Post by Barrel on Feb 20, 2022 0:44:41 GMT
Yes those years seemed to see huge atmospheric shifts in a way that I suspect you don't if you compare 2007 to 2022 since things have been rather the same from 2013 to 2022!
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Post by jno on Feb 21, 2022 5:11:26 GMT
To me this episode despite having some good parts just didn’t work, Andrew Sachs’ character is annoying and badly overacted the skinhead storyline was ridiculous obviously George Cole acting saves the episode. It’s amazing to think this was fifteen years after the first episode as it seems a totally different atomsphere but I suppose there was huge differences since 1979 I've always thought this could have been a little better too. 'Another Case of Van Blank' really would have been a better 100th episode as for me, it streets ahead of this one in terms of quality and story. It's not bad, but you're right, Sachs was a weak link in this. |
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Post by kurt on May 1, 2022 0:03:28 GMT
According to my list, this is the 101st episode of Minder, but I guess they must not be including Minder on the Orient Express?
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Post by pr1 on May 16, 2022 0:23:29 GMT
The combination of Cole and Sachs works a treat! 😄
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Post by jno on May 16, 2022 14:55:22 GMT
According to my list, this is the 101st episode of Minder, but I guess they must not be including Minder on the Orient Express? Minder episode numbering is a bit of a mystery Kurt. |
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Post by spacecadet on May 16, 2022 15:54:02 GMT
According to my list, this is the 101st episode of Minder, but I guess they must not be including Minder on the Orient Express? I've always assumed it was the Christmas Bonus episode that was not included as it was clip show. |
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Post by jno on May 17, 2022 4:50:03 GMT
According to my list, this is the 101st episode of Minder, but I guess they must not be including Minder on the Orient Express? I've always assumed it was the Christmas Bonus episode that was not included as it was clip show. The definitive guide to numbering I would of course argue is my episode guide over on minder.org.  It all really depends how you count, include or exclude them, and it can get a bit confusing. Let's have a look ... I would count 'Christmas Bonus' as a proper episode despite it being mainly clips, as it was broadcast with 13 minutes and 13 seconds of new material and alongside other episodes on TV, making it the 38th episode. 'Waiting for Goddard' is the 64th episode. "So what makes this the 100th episode?" I thought when putting the episode guide together many years ago. Well .. After 'Waiting for Goddard' the counting gets a little confusing as we have 'Orient Express', (65th or not a proper countable episode?), 'A Little Bit of Give & Take' (66th or not a proper countable episode despite it having the opening titles?) and even Premium Bonds 'Number' (with only Dennis Waterman as Terry and Glynn Edwards as Dave). Granted, these last two probably shouldn't be included in the count as I see it, as they were never broadcast, and should probably be thought of as 'outings'. I didn't count any of these episode 65s as countable episodes and went only from 'Waiting for Goddard' (episode 64) through to 'An Officer A Car Salesman' (episode 65). Using this method gets you to 100 for 'All Things Brighton Beautiful'. So the answer is, the only thing that makes 'All Things Brighton Beautiful' the 100th episode is the exclusion of 'Minder on the Orient Express' from the count. However, I'd argue that the true count that classifies 'All Things Brighton Beautiful' is wrong. If 'Officer & A Car Salesman' (Christmas broadcast episode, extended duration) is included, why no 'Minder on the Orient Express'? I would assume someone classified 'Orient Express' as a film and put 'All Things Brighton Beautiful' as the 100th episode probably because Andrew Sachs (popular as Fawlty Towers' Manuel) was in it. Strictly speaking, based on the logic used, I'd argue either: 'Another Case of Van Blank'if 'Officer & A Car Salesman' is classified as 'Minder on the Orient Express' was, or most likely: 'One Flew Over The Parents' Nest' is the true 100th episode if 'Minder on the Orient Express' is included in the count Based on 'outings of characters' i.e. inclusion of 'A Little Bit of Give & Take' and 'Number' the 100th outing/Minder related production would be 'The Great Depression of 1994'. One question which is very difficult to answer is 'How many episodes of Minder are there?' as again it's inclusion or exclusion of certain productions in the count which determines the answer. The minder.org guide numbers get to 113, which includes Shane Richie episodes but that's not counting 'Orient Express', 'A Little Bit of Give & Take' and 'Number', which would make it 116. Somehow including series 11 but not including 'Orient Express' seems very wrong to me though, which most people would probably agree with. There's also an extra 117th episode page for locations only too, but I'll let you all have a look for that one.  What ITV included or excluded in the count to make this the 100th episode is anyone's guess, but likely they missed out either 'Christmas Bonus' or 'Orient Express' but like I say, it all depends on how and what you count. |
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Post by steve99 on May 19, 2022 19:20:27 GMT
I've always lacked the courage to slurp from a bowl of soup in a public place (the posher the restaurant the better if it's to be done in a silly moment). I mean I've slurped some cream of tomato when there's no one around, but like some of the above that doesn't really count. All Things Brighton Beautiful is one of those later episodes which I feel is lacking in substance, in that it amuses in places but the plot and supporting performances aren't strong enough.
Speaking of which, George Cole was certainly an actor you could turn to if you needed someone to hold together an otherwise shaky production, be it comedy or drama or a mixture of both. Professional to the last second on TV or film, George was.
One Flew Over the Parents' Nest would've been a better choice for no. 100 than the Brighton Beautiful episode, not least for Arthur's reaction when he realises what's been happening in Bert's gaff. Imagine that lass having the bare cheek to use someone else's house for research purposes, although Gawd knows just what was being researched.
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Post by Albert Wendell on Sept 17, 2022 14:32:00 GMT
As mentioned the episode does look to have a few throw backs to other episodes, the mention of Dave's brother in law being a cop, Arthur saying it's been a long time since he was in Brighton and the fact he looked to know there was a racecourse there could further allude to 'National Pelmet' also Arthur saying he's had the same hat for over twenty years and that er' indoors bought it for him suggesting to the viewer he has been wearing the same hat for the entire run.
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Post by Albert Wendell on Sept 17, 2022 14:36:14 GMT
Thing is why did Sidney need to travel in the caravan. He could have remained in the back of that big old Volvo with the rug over his head. For someone in such a prediciment, needing help, Sidney is such an awkward and difficult 'hostage'. He doesn't really help Arthur and Ray out very much. I think you've answered your own question there, I took it to be that Arthur didn't want Sidney in the car moaning about things all the way to Brighton and he just wanted some peace and to talk to Ray. |
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Post by jno on Nov 7, 2022 5:52:11 GMT
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Post by raymond on Jan 7, 2023 12:00:08 GMT
I watched this episode last night for first time in many years. It sort of works but seems torn between the Bosh making it a bit darker but with Sachs and Cole it was always going to be a comedic one. The look on the regulars in the Winchester when the Bosh is on the stairs is a key moment when it could have gone a bit gritty but the scene ends there. Its funny reading the other comments I thought it was Solly Solomon for a while until I realised it was Sachs. Some of scenes of Arthur and Sydney walking in Brighton was like a sort of homage to midnight cowboy I thought. The skinheads was over the top and cheesy where again they could have made them a sinister bunch of nasties. The central crux of Minder I suppose the earlier gritty episodes the way the show should have stayed but then with George there and him being a comic genius it was impossible to marry both elements.
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Post by manta on Sept 29, 2023 10:31:09 GMT
I thought this episode was different and sailed close to the wind - it could have failed - the skinhead can't act and Andrew Sachs was massively hamming it up, Arthur was ludicrously optimistic after all had failed - but combined with a SPLENDID ending, these two wonderful actors pulled it off so it scores another Excellent from me - that's all three in series 10 so far.
It starts off relatively normally with Arthur trying to pull a fast one with Dave's sister and a strange crate arriving and then just gets odder as we progress off the manor via a bonkers journey. I love it when they arrived in Brighton and Ray showed his knowledge of the past compared to Arthur's:
"Loved an onion did the Prince Regent"
"He had a tart by all accounts"
"Yeah he liked his grub"
"Talking about courtesans"
"Well especially a drop of shellfish"
Of course, we also get the magic quote about a friend in need being a pest!
When Sidney finally explains his overall scheme it sort of explains why he was putting up with such nonsense from Arthur. It is suitably grand as the Sally Army give it large with Onward Christian Soldiers with our heroes giving it their best (well, Sidney and Bernie at least). Messing with the beginning and end titles works well and I didn't know whether to laugh or cry.
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