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Post by jno on Dec 7, 2019 3:37:25 GMT
Press Photo Nat Jackley, David Jackson & Eric Francis
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Post by daz on Mar 20, 2020 15:39:58 GMT
So we have Norman Eshley, or Geoffery Fourmile of George & Mildred fame in the episode, but I noticed whilst watching this afternoon that the couple who speak to the vicar after the service in the opening scenes, asking for the down and outs to have their own place for the service, played Mildreds Sister and Brother in Law in G & M.
I couldn't agree more about Chisholm becoming a bit OTT in the later episodes.
A great episode, storywise a bit all over the shop, but good fun nonetheless.
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Post by coyote on Apr 29, 2020 9:02:34 GMT
Another good whatsitsname.Plenty of etc etc.Blah blah blah.Boom boom. I think that really spoils this episode! Agreed. Don't much like this episode at all, too many annoying characters. Chisholm and Jones are the best bits by a mile
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Post by steve74 on May 2, 2020 11:11:00 GMT
An episode that comes in for a bit of stick, unfairly in my opinion. The set up is brilliant, Arthur getting a motley crew together to dig a pool and build a rockery, what could go wrong! The beauty of Minder is that there are episodes for any mood - the earlier, grittier series to the later more comedic series - there is something for everyone. Also the Chisholm and Jones partnership is brilliant here. Loved the scenes in the neighbours back garden, Chisholm getting on that swing was so funny. 4 out of 5.
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Post by logie on May 10, 2020 23:40:38 GMT
I was always in two minds about this one, back in the day, and still am having re-watched it. There are some good lines and decent supporting characters in Mrs. Hurst and the Rev. Redwood. And it is very funny in parts, with Chisholm and Jones in particular stealing the light relief in this one.
"Once A Criminal...Always a Criminal... - A. Chisholm", in response to the vicar throwing bible quotes at him is one of the best lines in the piece
But is it just a little bit daft, story-line wise? Seems to tread a very fine line between believability and farce this one; one of Minder's strengths (as opposed to, say, Only Fools and Horses who could get away with far-fetched stories on account of being an out & out sitcom) was the gritty realities of the stories and I think this was pushing it a little beyond the usual boundaries, and subsequent episodes took it even further away from it's original premise. James Booth is always worth a watch (though I can understand others becoming a little tired of his spiel in this) & David Jackson was a welcome returnee (although I would have preferred it if they had found a place for him in 'Return of the Invincible Man' as his original character, Stan) but the other misfits didn't add much to the piece and could probably have been exorcised from the plot without losing anything along the way.
However, I did go with 'good' as my rating in the end as it is a very amiable episode, and generally a fun watch overall. I liked the ending too.
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Post by bigalal on May 21, 2020 14:20:00 GMT
I'm surprised at the "mixed reviews" for this episode. I thoroughly enjoyed it and I thought James Booth was superb. Worth watching for the sight of the "rockery" after about a week's toil. It looked like a blancmange with some stones stuck on the side.
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Post by daz on Aug 14, 2020 20:18:44 GMT
Caught on ITV4 this afternoon and always a pleasure to watch this one as always find this one amusing. I have seen Norman Eshley in his Minder, Profs and Sweeney roles fairly recently and I really do think he was a good actor, a real shame that car accident back in the 80s all but finished off his acting career.
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Post by ramone on Aug 18, 2020 11:23:56 GMT
Watched this yesterday and agree it does stretch credibility somewhat but there are some good guest performances and it’s a humorous light hearted episode, which is easy watching
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Post by pr1 on Sept 7, 2020 17:21:20 GMT
So many great lines in this episode. Also a good episode for “Cheerful Charlie Chisholm”
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Post by bigaitch on Feb 20, 2021 20:01:17 GMT
I really disliked this episode. I found the ‘Cons’ doing the break ins scarcely credible and the vicar a patronising idiot. There are some good lines in it, particularly for Chisholm, but it just seemed to stumble along without really hitting any heights. The actress who played Mrs Hudson, Sylvia Kay also played Mrs Warrinder, Vince’s eventual mother in law in ‘Just good friends’. I also thought the ‘Cons’ when they were altogether looked like the band ‘The Flying Pickets’ and half expected them to break into an acappella version of ‘Only you’...
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Post by ned on Jun 22, 2021 16:01:12 GMT
Amused that the repeat of this one on ITV4 today was preceded by the Professionals' episode 'Kickback', where Norman Eshley played a former colleague of Bodie's gone bad.
A shame this isn't followed by 'Taste of Fear'. That would soon show who hasn't been paying attention!
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Post by flashchris on Jun 30, 2021 15:56:37 GMT
Amused that the repeat of this one on ITV4 today was preceded by the Professionals' episode 'Kickback', where Norman Eshley played a former colleague of Bodie's gone bad. A shame this isn't followed by 'Taste of Fear'. That would soon show who hasn't been paying attention! I thought exactly the same!! I hadn't seen an ep of The Pros on ITV4 in ages and I wondered which Minder would follow. I had to smile when I saw it was Daley Bread! I can of course understand how some people think it's a bit silly (and it is a long way from Series 1's grittiness) but personally I love it. There are so many stand out lines - waste of tax payer's money....not costing you anything then!! 😅 I've always thought Norman Eshley is an excellent actor, always highly watchable and always seeming like a different person in each role he plays which to me is what acting should be about. I seem to remember he criticised Lewis Collins for changing his lines and not strictly following the script in the Pros which I found very harsh as this was in the Pros 'bible' as I call it a few years after Lewis's passing but nonetheless Norman is one of my favourite actors from that era and it's great he's still going strong!
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Post by steve99 on Jul 19, 2021 0:13:19 GMT
This episode just doesn't cut it for me. It has an empty feeling and left me with the impression the Minder writers were beginning to run out of ideas and the comedic element was increased to fill a gap. As mentioned previously on the thread, the supporting characters don't really add anything, with James Booth's character the only one of the group of cons with much to say and some of this involves the blah blah patter. Booth was a good actor and could have played a better role in a more serious Minder storyline.
Re Lewis Collins changing his lines in The Professionals, I know Brian Clemens wasn't keen on anyone changing the script - at least in The Avengers - but I don't know if this view had softened by the time of Bodie and Doyle. When Stuart Damon was discussing his role in General Hospital during a Champions audio commentary, he said lines could be altered by an actor as long as they were relevant and gave the correct prompt to the next person due to speak, but in other American shows the script had to be followed to the letter.
This reminds me of Johnny Goodman saying that if Roger Moore forgot his lines in The Saint, he'd just make something up. Johnny said this light-heartedly and as Roger had a photographic memory I doubt it happened often.
Although Give Us This Day has its moments, the story and characters don't have enough weight for my liking. Terry seems a bit disinterested in this one and the plotlines of pinching rockery materials and hiding dodgy gear are too flimsy for this to make my must watch again soon list.
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Post by jjmolloy on Jul 19, 2021 20:16:07 GMT
This episode just doesn't cut it for me. It has an empty feeling and left me with the impression the Minder writers were beginning to run out of ideas and the comedic element was increased to fill a gap. As mentioned previously on the thread, the supporting characters don't really add anything, with James Booth's character the only one of the group of cons with much to say and some of this involves the blah blah patter. Booth was a good actor and could have played a better role in a more serious Minder storyline. Re Lewis Collins changing his lines in The Professionals, I know Brian Clemens wasn't keen on anyone changing the script - at least in The Avengers - but I don't know if this view had softened by the time of Bodie and Doyle. When Stuart Damon was discussing his role in General Hospital during a Champions audio commentary, he said lines could be altered by an actor as long as they were relevant and gave the correct prompt to the next person due to speak, but in other American shows the script had to be followed to the letter. This reminds me of Johnny Goodman saying that if Roger Moore forgot his lines in The Saint, he'd just make something up. Johnny said this light-heartedly and as Roger had a photographic memory I doubt it happened often. Although Give Us This Day has its moments, the story and characters don't have enough weight for my liking. Terry seems a bit disinterested in this one and the plotlines of pinching rockery materials and hiding dodgy gear are too flimsy for this to make my must watch again soon list. Yes, but you've overlooked the Chisholm & Jones scenes, which are gold, pure gold.
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Post by Barrel on Jan 7, 2022 0:45:58 GMT
Chisholm carries this episode...what a wonderful character and fella he was...tough and determined but with that touch of quintessential English bobby fairness...really enjoyed his duo act with Jones...speaking of Jones how different a character he became when he got promoted later in the series....a total u turn...lost weight,stopped being lazy and funny as well mind you... and looked almost miami vice like with the suits and hair gel...anyway a so so episode...I found the cons quite unpleasant with almost no redeeming qualities almost quite creepy......as others say its played for the comedy...theres none of the grittiness....if not for chisholm and jones i"d give this episode a poor rating.
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Post by c79 on Sept 2, 2022 17:05:04 GMT
Chisholm carries this episode...what a wonderful character and fella he was...tough and determined but with that touch of quintessential English bobby fairness...really enjoyed his duo act with Jones...speaking of Jones how different a character he became when he got promoted later in the series....a total u turn...lost weight,stopped being lazy and funny as well mind you... and looked almost miami vice like with the suits and hair gel...anyway a so so episode...I found the cons quite unpleasant with almost no redeeming qualities almost quite creepy......as others say its played for the comedy...theres none of the grittiness....if not for chisholm and jones i"d give this episode a poor rating. Agree entirely Barrel. Patrick Malahide saves this one.
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Post by Barrel on Nov 14, 2022 1:17:10 GMT
Chisholm carries this episode...what a wonderful character and fella he was...tough and determined but with that touch of quintessential English bobby fairness...really enjoyed his duo act with Jones...speaking of Jones how different a character he became when he got promoted later in the series....a total u turn...lost weight,stopped being lazy and funny as well mind you... and looked almost miami vice like with the suits and hair gel...anyway a so so episode...I found the cons quite unpleasant with almost no redeeming qualities almost quite creepy......as others say its played for the comedy...theres none of the grittiness....if not for chisholm and jones i"d give this episode a poor rating. Agree entirely Barrel. Patrick Malahide saves this one. Thank you kind sir!
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Post by simon316 on Oct 11, 2023 18:21:59 GMT
Norman Eshley was in 'New Tricks' with DW a few years back and also appeared on TalkingPicturesTV (Sky channel) over Christmas 2015 wishing viewers a Merry Christmas. See if you can find an episode of Parkin's Patch called Vickory. It was broadcast in 1970 and Norman Eshley plays an unpolpular rock star. It love watching swell known actors at their beginning. It stars John Flanagan, an actor I like a lot, (he was in the Sweeney) but preferred writing to acting...
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Post by kelotoph on Oct 20, 2023 14:05:34 GMT
A disappointing start to Series 6 for me, albeit scrapes an 'average' rating, mainly thanks to the strong Chisholm part and his cynical witticisms ("One a villain, always a villan: A Chisholm"). I found few of the guest characters likeable, and Godfrey's "whassit, boom-boom" patter was tedious from the outset. There was no grittiness to the ex-cons, who acted like they were in a Norman Wisdom film. The lack of spoil from the 'pond' being dug was unrealistic, as was the arrest of Chisholm and Jones. There was little for Dennis Waterman to get his teeth into.
On the plus side, Chisholm apart, Arthur puts in a steady performance and it was nice to see Sylvia Kay playing the part she plays best. It was good to see Norman Eshley in a main part - I've always been jealous of him because his character got to marry Chrissie in Man About the House.
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Post by jjmolloy on Oct 20, 2023 14:42:32 GMT
A disappointing start to Series 6 for me, albeit scrapes an 'average' rating, mainly thanks to the strong Chisholm part and his cynical witticisms ("One a villain, always a villan: A Chisholm"). I found few of the guest characters likeable, and Godfrey's "whassit, boom-boom" patter was tedious from the outset. There was no grittiness to the ex-cons, who acted like they were in a Norman Wisdom film. The lack of spoil from the 'pond' being dug was unrealistic, as was the arrest of Chisholm and Jones. There was little for Dennis Waterman to get his teeth into. On the plus side, Chisholm apart, Arthur puts in a steady performance and it was nice to see Sylvia Kay playing the part she plays best. It was good to see Norman Eshley in a main part - I've always been jealous of him because his character got to marry Chrissie in Man About the House. Always wondered why we didn't see much more of Norman Eshley, I always liked him a lot. Turns out he had a horror car crash in 1994, very seriously injured, couldn't remember lines after it. But after a rough few years with health issues he turned a corner, and we wish him well. Sitcom legend Norman Eshley 'happier than ever' after challenging health battle - Daily Star
Link good at time of posting.
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Post by metro1962 on Oct 20, 2023 17:18:41 GMT
A disappointing start to Series 6 for me, albeit scrapes an 'average' rating, mainly thanks to the strong Chisholm part and his cynical witticisms ("One a villain, always a villan: A Chisholm"). I found few of the guest characters likeable, and Godfrey's "whassit, boom-boom" patter was tedious from the outset. There was no grittiness to the ex-cons, who acted like they were in a Norman Wisdom film. The lack of spoil from the 'pond' being dug was unrealistic, as was the arrest of Chisholm and Jones. There was little for Dennis Waterman to get his teeth into. On the plus side, Chisholm apart, Arthur puts in a steady performance and it was nice to see Sylvia Kay playing the part she plays best. It was good to see Norman Eshley in a main part - I've always been jealous of him because his character got to marry Chrissie in Man About the House. Always wondered why we didn't see much more of Norman Eshley, I always liked him a lot. Turns out he had a horror car crash in 1994, very seriously injured, couldn't remember lines after it. But after a rough few years with health issues he turned a corner, and we wish him well. Sitcom legend Norman Eshley 'happier than ever' after challenging health battle - Daily Star
Link good at time of posting. He was last being interviewed for the CH5 MMan about the House 50 years of Laughter.
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Post by ontheslate on Oct 24, 2023 8:21:32 GMT
A disappointing start to Series 6 for me, albeit scrapes an 'average' rating, mainly thanks to the strong Chisholm part and his cynical witticisms ("One a villain, always a villan: A Chisholm"). I found few of the guest characters likeable, and Godfrey's "whassit, boom-boom" patter was tedious from the outset. There was no grittiness to the ex-cons, who acted like they were in a Norman Wisdom film. The lack of spoil from the 'pond' being dug was unrealistic, as was the arrest of Chisholm and Jones. There was little for Dennis Waterman to get his teeth into. On the plus side, Chisholm apart, Arthur puts in a steady performance and it was nice to see Sylvia Kay playing the part she plays best. It was good to see Norman Eshley in a main part - I've always been jealous of him because his character got to marry Chrissie in Man About the House. Always wondered why we didn't see much more of Norman Eshley, I always liked him a lot. Turns out he had a horror car crash in 1994, very seriously injured, couldn't remember lines after it. But after a rough few years with health issues he turned a corner, and we wish him well. Sitcom legend Norman Eshley 'happier than ever' after challenging health battle - Daily Star
Link good at time of posting. I think one of the last things he did before the crash was one of the Christmas specials of One Foot in the Grave he had a major role lined up but because of head injuries sustained he disappeared from view for a lot of years it was a pity as he was a good actor.
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Post by 615 on Oct 25, 2023 6:54:55 GMT
I think one of the last things he did before the crash was one of the Christmas specials of One Foot in the Grave he had a major role lined up but because of head injuries sustained he disappeared from view for a lot of years it was a pity as he was a good actor. Strange coincidence, but Norman's co star in George and Mildred, the wonderful Sheila Fearn's career finished after an accident. In her case a leg injury sustained while out walking.
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Post by jno on Mar 5, 2024 9:05:05 GMT
Let the train take the strain. Who on earth came up with the idea to put this prop on top of a box? Love it!
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