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Post by milo on May 14, 2022 11:47:09 GMT
Good to see that ITV4 are showing several Dennis Waterman episodes of Minder today followed by two episodes of The Sweeney.
The Minder episode Dead Men Do Tell Tales is on as I type this message!
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Post by milo on May 14, 2022 11:53:04 GMT
I beg your pardon - ITV4 are showing three episodes of The Sweeney today. I said it was two episodes in my original post a few minutes ago. Apologies for this oversight.
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Post by milo on May 14, 2022 11:58:25 GMT
It looks like ITV4 are doing a tribute to Dennis this weekend with several minder then sweeney episodes but I don’t know if there will be an actual tribute show as such They have hand picked some episodes that he is probably seen as more of the main character. ”What Makes Shamy Run” would have been a good one, also, for Sweeney - wish they’d selected “Messenger of The Gods” over “Hears an Minds” but still, a good tribute day to him. ITV4 are showing The Sweeney episode Pay Off today it would appear, which is an episode that focuses quite heavily on Carter, so a good one to show as a tribute to Dennis I feel.
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Post by coyote on May 14, 2022 13:27:42 GMT
It looks like ITV4 are doing a tribute to Dennis this weekend with several minder then sweeney episodes but I don’t know if there will be an actual tribute show as such They have hand picked some episodes that he is probably seen as more of the main character. ”What Makes Shamy Run” would have been a good one, also, for Sweeney - wish they’d selected “Messenger of The Gods” over “Hears an Minds” but still, a good tribute day to him. Agreed, I thought about 'What Makes Shamy Run' as well. I was a bit disappointed they are using the usual "Arthur Daley's up to his usual tricks" intro voiceover rather than something about showing it in tribute to Dennis Waterman. Hopefully there will be a dedicated tribute show on ITV soon, and I'd love to see them repeat MOTOE in tribute too.
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Post by flashchris on May 14, 2022 13:31:59 GMT
It's great that are ITV4 are screening 4 Minders and 3 Sweeneys as a tribute to Dennis but I must admit 'Dead Men Do Tell Tales' wouldn't have been my first choice due to the nature of this one with the main theme of the coffin and the last scene at a crematorium! Being reminded of death is the last thing you need at such a sad time. You have to wonder just how much thought ITV4 put into their choice of episodes!
I think if I had to choose four, Goodbye Sailor, Senior Citizen Caine, The Last Video Show and It's a Sorry Lorry, Morrie would have been my favourites.
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Post by McCann on May 14, 2022 13:46:41 GMT
yes, was a little surprised 'dead men do tell tales' was selected. Obviously they were going to show episode 1. You want a bit of a mix across the 7 series. I watched 'the Bengal Tiger' last Sunday. I think it's a good early Terry episode that introduces the idea of Terry packing in the Minder job and thinking of looking for office work, but Arthur explains to him that computers etc. wouldn't be his forte at this stage.
It also shows the moral stance of Terry, dealing with the punter having his car reclaimed and the arranged marraige situation, compared to all the ducking and diving of Arthur.
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Post by milo on May 14, 2022 14:24:20 GMT
It's great that are ITV4 are screening 4 Minders and 3 Sweeneys as a tribute to Dennis but I must admit 'Dead Men Do Tell Tales' wouldn't have been my first choice due to the nature of this one with the main theme of the coffin and the last scene at a crematorium! Being reminded of death is the last thing you need at such a sad time. You have to wonder just how much thought ITV4 put into their choice of episodes! I think if I had to choose four, Goodbye Sailor, Senior Citizen Caine, The Last Video Show and It's a Sorry Lorry, Morrie would have been my favourites. Excellent point you make, flashchris. Dead Men Do Tell Tales isn't the most appropriate episode to show. Yes, it does show a lack of thought on the part of ITV4.
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Post by daz on May 14, 2022 16:08:37 GMT
What a life he lead though, didn't he? Real boys own stuff, had a career in TV since childhood that lasted for 60 years. A real mans man, loved his bevvy, ciggies, football, music, fishing and female company. Had a music career, toured had singles in the charts and appeared on TOTP all of this whilst appearing in some of the biggest UK TV series of all time. Who wouldn't have wanted not to have had a pint with the man, you could only imagine the stories he could tell. Crammed more into 74 years than most of us would do in 10 lifetimes.
Read a post on Twitter last Sunday from someone who said he went to see a QPR game with his Dad many years ago along with Dennis, who was a friend of his Dad and had Peter Osgood along with him, as you do and that day had remained with him the rest of his life.
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Post by westminster on May 15, 2022 8:27:49 GMT
What a life he lead though, didn't he? Real boys own stuff, had a career in TV since childhood that lasted for 60 years. A real mans man, loved his bevvy, ciggies, football, music, fishing and female company. Had a music career, toured had singles in the charts and appeared on TOTP all of this whilst appearing in some of the biggest UK TV series of all time. Who wouldn't have wanted not to have had a pint with the man, you could only imagine the stories he could tell. Crammed more into 74 years than most of us would do in 10 lifetimes. Read a post on Twitter last Sunday from someone who said he went to see a QPR game with his Dad many years ago along with Dennis, who was a friend of his Dad and had Peter Osgood along with him, as you do and that day had remained with him the rest of his life. Yeah, what a life. It's what your average man in the street aspires to. Which is why Dennis Waterman deserves a proper tribute programme, not just a few extra episodes of The Sweeney and Minder on ITV 4. But it's also why that tribute won't be made. You see, Dennis just doesn't fit the dominant media narrative today.
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Post by steve99 on May 15, 2022 14:59:04 GMT
That's certainly true. Dennis doesn't tick any diversity boxes, although his social background comprises many millions in this country and are completely ignored. Not a very tolerant or diverse attitude on the part of our media movers and shakers. It would be an insult to Dennis's memory if ITV didn't screen a tribute to him but the conscience of these folks operates on a selective basis.
As Daz said, Dennis had an incredible life, going to Hollywood as a child to appear in his own TV series, taking the lead role as a teenager in the film Up the Junction, and starring in hugely successful TV series. There was also the high profile theatre roles, a musical career, and his own football team which undoubtedly entertained many and raised loads for charity. Even although a lot of young guys these days won't be familiar with Minder and despite what the media would have us believe, I bet many of them wouldn't mind the kind of life Dennis had: a great career on TV, regular jaunts to the pub, plenty of female company and his own footie team.
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Post by westminster on May 15, 2022 17:10:32 GMT
I also think that Dennis' most well-known work - The Sweeney and Minder - was truly brilliant in many ways. On one hand, those programmes gave such pleasure to so many people, but it was also landmark television. If I were to pick on piece of TV that provides a insight into the 1970s and '80s, I'd pick The Sweeney and Minder.
Both programmes, in different ways, provide a social and cultural insight into those times - then and now, in hindsight. But it's more than that; Regan and Carter, Terry and Arthur, they're great British characters, they became part of the nation's psyche, little sayings from the shows entered the lexicon of everyday life. In other words, Minder and The Sweeney, they're important cultural artefacts. But the chattering classes don't want to know, not really. Because it was (and is) essentially about White working-class life.
I know that sounds poncey and a bit far-fetched, but I think it's true.
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Post by steve99 on May 15, 2022 18:27:49 GMT
Nothing poncey and far-fetched about it, it's a statement of fact. What staggers me about the chattering classes is their sheer hypocrisy. They'd have you believe they're all for everyone having their say and love to accuse their political opponents of wanting to keep the working class down, however these middle class folks in the media are determined to ensure white working class males are denied the oxygen of publicity, as their old foe put it.
To the modern media executive, Dennis Waterman represented someone who shouldn't be celebrated because he didn't belong to their world or a minority group plus the chatterers don't 'get' his and our world. If that's not sheer prejudice I'm not sure what is.
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Post by westminster on May 15, 2022 18:53:37 GMT
Nothing poncey and far-fetched about it, it's a statement of fact. What staggers me about the chattering classes is their sheer hypocrisy. They'd have you believe they're all for everyone having their say and love to accuse their political opponents of wanting to keep the working class down, however these middle class folks in the media are determined to ensure white working class males are denied the oxygen of publicity, as their old foe put it. To the modern media executive, Dennis Waterman represented someone who shouldn't be celebrated because he didn't belong to their world or a minority group plus the chatterers don't 'get' his and our world. If that's not sheer prejudice I'm not sure what is. Good post, Steve That line 'denied the oxygen of publicity' is about right. These people won't admit it, but they despise the likes of Dennis Waterman and the characters he played, such as Terry McCann and George Carter. They represent everything the chattering classes resent and look down on as uncouth and unworthy. Common, vulgar. But, to me, there are certain scenes in The Sweeney which are just so authentic, understated and, well, touching. On various levels. But I think you have to be an ordinary guy, to have been around the block a bit, to really 'get it'. Media luvvies just won't understand that.
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Post by azza200 on May 15, 2022 19:26:18 GMT
I also think that Dennis' most well-known work - The Sweeney and Minder - was truly brilliant in many ways. On one hand, those programmes gave such pleasure to so many people, but it was also landmark television. If I were to pick on piece of TV that provides a insight into the 1970s and '80s, I'd pick The Sweeney and Minder. Both programmes, in different ways, provide a social and cultural insight into those times - then and now, in hindsight. But it's more than that; Regan and Carter, Terry and Arthur, they're great British characters, they became part of the nation's psyche, little sayings from the shows entered the lexicon of everyday life. In other words, Minder and The Sweeney, they're important cultural artefacts. But the chattering classes don't want to know, not really. Because it was (and is) essentially about White working-class life. I know that sounds poncey and a bit far-fetched, but I think it's true. I agree with you I was born in 1986 and seeing what London looked back then in the late 70's and 80's was a great insight to how London has changed so much I would add The Professionals to that list of important landmark TV for insights into the country in the 70's. Movie wise Long Good Friday is important in that regard as well All very real gritty locations and believable characters in all 3 shows main leads and side characters nicknames the london cockney slang. The changing london skyline into the 90's
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Post by bensonrad on May 16, 2022 6:52:14 GMT
Got the record player out yesterday along with 2 of Dennis's LPs to have a listen whilst doing some painting.
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Post by westminster on May 16, 2022 6:52:41 GMT
I also think that Dennis' most well-known work - The Sweeney and Minder - was truly brilliant in many ways. On one hand, those programmes gave such pleasure to so many people, but it was also landmark television. If I were to pick on piece of TV that provides a insight into the 1970s and '80s, I'd pick The Sweeney and Minder. Both programmes, in different ways, provide a social and cultural insight into those times - then and now, in hindsight. But it's more than that; Regan and Carter, Terry and Arthur, they're great British characters, they became part of the nation's psyche, little sayings from the shows entered the lexicon of everyday life. In other words, Minder and The Sweeney, they're important cultural artefacts. But the chattering classes don't want to know, not really. Because it was (and is) essentially about White working-class life. I know that sounds poncey and a bit far-fetched, but I think it's true. I agree with you I was born in 1986 and seeing what London looked back then in the late 70's and 80's was a great insight to how London has changed so much I would add The Professionals to that list of important landmark TV for insights into the country in the 70's. Movie wise Long Good Friday is important in that regard as well All very real gritty locations and believable characters in all 3 shows main leads and side characters nicknames the london cockney slang. The changing london skyline into the 90's The Long Good Friday was really quite prescient. It's 1979 and Harry Shand's stood there predicting the redevelopment of the London docklands and effectively the rise of the new robber barons. Britain was really a nation on the cusp of great change at that time and The Long Good Friday is, in many ways, a link between two eras, where the dog-end of post-war Britain overlaps with the rise of Thatcherism and the beginning of a shiny, new, but much less honest Britain. I remember being in London as a young teenager in Spring 1979 and you could sort of tell change was in the air. It's difficult to describe, but even as a young kid I can remember the sense of apprehension and anticipation. I think people could tell things were going to change but they weren't quite sure how.
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Post by harryshand on May 16, 2022 13:22:37 GMT
I agree with you I was born in 1986 and seeing what London looked back then in the late 70's and 80's was a great insight to how London has changed so much I would add The Professionals to that list of important landmark TV for insights into the country in the 70's. Movie wise Long Good Friday is important in that regard as well All very real gritty locations and believable characters in all 3 shows main leads and side characters nicknames the london cockney slang. The changing london skyline into the 90's The Long Good Friday was really quite prescient. It's 1979 and Harry Shand's stood there predicting the redevelopment of the London docklands and effectively the rise of the new robber barons. Britain was really a nation on the cusp of great change at that time and The Long Good Friday is, in many ways, a link between two eras, where the dog-end of post-war Britain overlaps with the rise of Thatcherism and the beginning of a shiny, new, but much less honest Britain. I remember being in London as a young teenager in Spring 1979 and you could sort of tell change was in the air. It's difficult to describe, but even as a young kid I can remember the sense of apprehension and anticipation. I think people could tell things were going to change but they weren't quite sure how. Not just Harold but the man Bob himself predicted the future on the same topic.
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Post by westminster on May 16, 2022 14:39:58 GMT
Bob Hoskins was another great English actor and I don't think he gets the credit he deserves. I don't remember seeing a proper tribute to him when he passed away.
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Post by yoyopickles on May 17, 2022 6:44:24 GMT
I think it is wonderful what ITV4 did for Dennis,but I have to ask myself,why did they not do anything like this when George Cole passed away?
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Post by westminster on May 17, 2022 7:42:44 GMT
I think it is wonderful what ITV4 did for Dennis,but I have to ask myself,why did they not do anything like this when George Cole passed away? Wonderful? What showing a few extra episodes of stuff they show all the time anyway? I would've thought that's the least they could do. A proper tribute programme would have been much more fitting, although I appreciate these things take time to put together so maybe it'll come out soon. But somehow I doubt it, for the reasons explained above.
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Post by jno on May 17, 2022 17:20:00 GMT
Bob Hoskins was another great English actor and I don't think he gets the credit he deserves. I don't remember seeing a proper tribute to him when he passed away. Add Edward Woodward to that list.
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Post by ltd on May 17, 2022 17:54:27 GMT
The Long Good Friday was really quite prescient. It's 1979 and Harry Shand's stood there predicting the redevelopment of the London docklands and effectively the rise of the new robber barons. Britain was really a nation on the cusp of great change at that time and The Long Good Friday is, in many ways, a link between two eras, where the dog-end of post-war Britain overlaps with the rise of Thatcherism and the beginning of a shiny, new, but much less honest Britain. I remember being in London as a young teenager in Spring 1979 and you could sort of tell change was in the air. It's difficult to describe, but even as a young kid I can remember the sense of apprehension and anticipation. I think people could tell things were going to change but they weren't quite sure how. Not just Harold but the man Bob himself predicted the future on the same topic.
That segment of film with Bob Hoskins and Barry Norman is great. Barry perhaps not best dressed for clambering through the ruins of London docklands though. I keep meaning to read Michael Gillard's book "Legacy" which tells the true story of London gangsters muscling in on the Olympics. As I recall there's an endorsement from Long Good Friday writer Barrie Keefe on the front cover.
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Post by NickP on May 17, 2022 19:03:57 GMT
Bob Hoskins was another great English actor and I don't think he gets the credit he deserves. I don't remember seeing a proper tribute to him when he passed away. Add Edward Woodward to that list. I had the pleasure of working with Bob Hoskins on Mona Lisa, Roger Rabbit and I spent a whole year doing the Its good to talk adverts, they were great to work on and the director didn't like long hours so we always finished early. They were done by one production company. Later out of the blue I got a call to cover for anther Grip and when I got there it was another Bob BT add. The new director was a well known "couldn't make his mind up guy" When I arrived Bob said hello Nick good to see you, as the day went on and it was getting longer and longer suddenly Bob said here Nick, will you tell him we go home early on these jobs. I neve got another call from that company. I must add that the company never did any more "Its good to talk" adds. Karma.
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Post by harryshand on May 17, 2022 20:05:11 GMT
Not just Harold but the man Bob himself predicted the future on the same topic.
That segment of film with Bob Hoskins and Barry Norman is great. Barry perhaps not best dressed for clambering through the ruins of London docklands though. I keep meaning to read Michael Gillard's book "Legacy" which tells the true story of London gangsters muscling in on the Olympics. As I recall there's an endorsement from Long Good Friday writer Barrie Keefe on the front cover. It's a great slice of London under development. Naturally I opened up google maps and tracked the locations and I think Bob would have been pleased that most of the architecture he was concerned about at least survived in structural terms, even if the local residents didn't.
That window they clamber through is now The Old Thameside Inn and the medieval inlet he was so worried about now houses the Golden Hinde so that part at least has hardly been replaced by corporate "mars bars" as Bob describes the other redevelopment at Blackfriars.
Overall, I think the developers have improved that part of town hugely since Bob and Barry were strolling around.
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Post by fordcapri on May 17, 2022 20:26:10 GMT
I'll have to check out some of those Minder and Sweeney episodes on the ITV Hub, seeing as I didn't know they were on until now.
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Post by azza200 on May 17, 2022 21:24:02 GMT
I looked up coin street last night and its now a private road
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Post by pr1 on May 18, 2022 1:42:36 GMT
Interesting to read how Dennis Waterman’s passing is being treated on TV. For my homemade tribute I was going to watch some favorite episodes from The Sweeney and Minder. Instead I am going to start watching The Sweeney again from the beginning. I am currently watch the last of the Ray Minder episodes and when I finish them instead of taking a break from the show I will go right into rewatching the Terry years.
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Post by jno on May 18, 2022 2:40:08 GMT
Interesting to read how Dennis Waterman’s passing is being treated on TV. For my homemade tribute I was going to watch some favorite episodes from The Sweeney and Minder. Instead I am going to start watching The Sweeney again from the beginning. I am currently watch the last of the Ray Minder episodes and when I finish them instead of taking a break from the show I will go right into rewatching the Terry years. You should do a Dennis Not Minder and Not Sweeney fest next pr1, plenty of gems in there! If anyone wants to see 1970's 'My Lover My Son', a PM is all you need.
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Post by pr1 on May 18, 2022 3:05:25 GMT
Interesting to read how Dennis Waterman’s passing is being treated on TV. For my homemade tribute I was going to watch some favorite episodes from The Sweeney and Minder. Instead I am going to start watching The Sweeney again from the beginning. I am currently watch the last of the Ray Minder episodes and when I finish them instead of taking a break from the show I will go right into rewatching the Terry years. You should do a Dennis Not Minder and Not Sweeney fest next pr1, plenty of gems in there! If anyone wants to see 1970's 'My Lover My Son', a PM is all you need. Not a bad idea. I do a few other things he did. I saw Go Cart Go on YouTube and found it entertaining.
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Post by emmo26 on May 18, 2022 8:57:25 GMT
Didn't know that Dennis was a smoker.... I thought that he was more like his on screen character and didn't touch the coughin' nails.
Thinking maybe he got ill from all that 2nd hand cigar smoke that Arthur Daley was chugging away...
I wonder if George Cole in real life liked a regular Lah-di-dah.
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