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Post by chopper on May 14, 2020 20:59:36 GMT
I gave it 4/5 by the way, I nearly went for a 3/5 - but decided to be on the more generous side. Great cast and storyline, leading up to think that it is the end of Minder, with Arthur selling up. Just a bit weak in places. Rycott saying to Jones - you love yourself, if you were a chocolate I reckon you would eat yourself! Absolutely hilarious
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Post by jno on May 15, 2020 11:56:50 GMT
Rycott saying to Jones - you love yourself, if you were a chocolate I reckon you would eat yourself! Absolutely hilarious I like Jones in series 7, he really comes into his own despite only a few appearances.
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Post by McCann on May 15, 2020 14:26:29 GMT
The last few episodes of this series have a strange feel to them. Watching them now you can see the crossover to the early 90s. People like John Hambley involved in production in this series and the Ray series, some of the writers from the Ray years are coming in here also.
I'm sure it's been discussed many times but I find it hard to believe people didn't have a strong sense this was the last series with Dennis and his time on the show was coming to an end. It is even referred to frequently in the scripts that he is getting on a bit for a Minder. But it was such a great time on the programme throughout series 1-7 that people didn't want to see it all come to an end. But come to an end it must.
I would have watched this series on first transmission and I recall it was no big surprise that Dennis was not coming back. Just as it was no big surprise when it was announced in late 93 that Minder was ending. I think these were the right decisions overall. But everyone wishes there could have been more.
This episode is fine. I gave it 4/5. The ending might have been better, but it's ok. The bailiff character is a bit OTT. Not the actor as such but the way he has all this time to hang around the lockup, without properly taking possession. Maic was great in the series, but I often have to turn up the volume to hear some of his lines in these last few episodes. Might be the Network DVD. Also this episode has an appearance by Morris Perry, Haskins boss in the early Sweeney episodes, and Ray Mort who appeared with Dennis in the first Sweeney episode. So kind of a bookend to 15 years of brilliant TV from Euston films, as I regard this as the end of an era from 74-89.
The 90s and Ray Daley are worth a watch but I see them as a separate era, and almost a different show.
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Post by McCann on May 15, 2020 14:28:27 GMT
On pages 22 and 23 of the TV TIMES 4th - 10th February 1989, the week 'The Wrong Goodbye' was first broadcast. Gawd some of that clobber was a bit sudden. Lol But some of it was very smart, not the absolute worst era for fashion
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Post by baz171075 on May 15, 2020 15:29:12 GMT
The 90s and Ray Daley are worth a watch but I see them as a separate era, and almost a different show. This is my take on the Ray Daley years too..... I loved watching George Cole act and play Arthur, but for me Minder will always remind me of the 80's the look and feel of London. I did not think the show belonged in the 90's, the new Minder sipping on Orange Juice and wearing designer suits and jackets did not sit right with me and I never took to the new Jazzy theme tune,
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Post by nationalpelmet on Jul 4, 2020 8:25:17 GMT
Good final episode for DW series. I agree that Terry in this series is becoming fatigued by Arthur’s antics. Love those two pieces when Arthur tries to hail a cab which drives by and Terry “they can’t all know !” and Arthur with the “supreme sacrifice” by getting the bus and the exchanges with the driver 😆
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Post by c79 on Sept 1, 2020 9:59:26 GMT
I think this is a fine, if unintentional, end to the Terry years: Arthur gets a result, Terry gets a grand, and the end with the ventriloquism singing is brilliant. (I reckon GC and DW ad-libbed it.) True, we don't see Terry finally leave, but that might have been too serious and 'heavy' for some of us to handle. Instead, we can just reflect on such happy memories as that final scene.
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Post by chopper on Sept 1, 2020 17:19:22 GMT
I think this is a fine, if unintentional, end to the Terry years: Arthur gets a result, Terry gets a grand, and the end with the ventriloquism singing is brilliant. (I reckon GC and DW ad-libbed it.) True, we don't see Terry finally leave, but that might have been too serious and 'heavy' for some of us to handle. Instead, we can just reflect on such happy memories as that final scene. Definitely, I watched these episodes, within a couple of months from turning 18, working / serving my apprenticeship and driving. In 79, I was only just over half way through primary school. They really do have a different “feel” about them, these episodes & this couldn’t have been a more appropriate end to the Terry years....
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Post by myinspiration on Sept 3, 2020 20:46:27 GMT
How many more years elapse in the Minder universe before Terry actually leaves? In real time he would have stayed another 2 years before the events of Long Distance....?
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Post by jno on Sept 4, 2020 3:01:15 GMT
How many more years elapse in the Minder universe before Terry actually leaves? In real time he would have stayed another 2 years before the events of Long Distance....? That's about right, depends if you take filming date or broadcast date.
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Post by pr1 on Nov 23, 2020 5:32:38 GMT
Finished my third viewing of the Terry years tonight. I like this episode but I still kind of wish Terry had a proper exit from the program.
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Post by bigaitch on May 22, 2021 21:03:58 GMT
There are some great bits in this episode which I loved overall. Always good to see masons being turned over...and I believe this episode was deliberately written in order to cast them in a bad lite.... Rycott’s comment about the chocolate to Jones was hilarious as was Arthur’s expression and then fainting when Andrew was breaking the news of what would be left if he accepted the offer.
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Post by BMW on Jun 10, 2021 7:41:52 GMT
The funniest line in this episode is when Terry reluctantly agrees to fix the van. Justin tosses him some overalls, and Terry, whilst peering at the distressed vehicle says "Do you know anything about these?". Justin replies "Yeah, you stick your legs in there..."
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Post by myinspiration on Jun 24, 2021 20:40:42 GMT
A good episode. Series 7 was VERY strong. This was one of the weaker ones, although not as bad as the Christmas Special, which was a bit weird.
Anyone think they should have finished with the episode where Terry gets the job offer?
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Post by jno on Jun 30, 2021 3:11:04 GMT
Anyone think they should have finished with the episode where Terry gets the job offer? It would have seemed a good natural conclusion.
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Post by myinspiration on Jun 30, 2021 16:47:39 GMT
Anyone think they should have finished with the episode where Terry gets the job offer? It would have seemed a good natural conclusion. What a great series though.....I couldn't fault any of the episodes of Series 7, except for 'Officer'.
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Post by azza200 on Jul 1, 2021 19:00:27 GMT
But then if you look at this way Terry had enough of Arthur by S7 the way he treated him using him etc the tone and vibe they have all thru the series was part of that though they should of ended it when he got the job offer and have this episode before it too close the Terry years.
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Post by plasticpenguin on Jul 12, 2021 12:30:54 GMT
One of the best "last of the Terry" episodes. I like the notion that Terry gets Taff to look into dodgy bureaucrats. Still think the episode misses "Cheerful Charlie" Chisholm. That said, I think he would lay an egg at the thought of Taff helping out Terry to expose corruption that would exonerate Arthur.
Downsides? Don't like the Justine character...
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Post by swainy on Jul 12, 2021 14:20:56 GMT
I don’t get this not liking Justin thing. I loved Mark Farmers portrayal of the character.
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Post by 615 on Nov 30, 2021 11:11:01 GMT
After years of watching this episode I've just realised the writer's in joke by giving Iain Cuthbertson the character name of Bernard McKenna, who was a fellow writer, and also a Scot, involved with the ITV 'Doctor' series, among lots of other work.
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Post by ltd on Dec 10, 2021 9:56:22 GMT
Arthur's reply to the bailiff, "Intimately, but not well" is one of my favourite one liners from the series.
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Post by metro1962 on Mar 15, 2023 14:23:55 GMT
So what was filmed as DW last episode then?
Thames broadcasted it as the last one but not in the production order correct?
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Post by swainy on Mar 15, 2023 14:59:56 GMT
So what was filmed as DW last episode then? Thames broadcasted it as the last one but not in the production order correct? An Officer And A Car Salesman was the last one to be filmed which went out before series 7.
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Post by metro1962 on Mar 15, 2023 15:49:22 GMT
So what was filmed as DW last episode then? Thames broadcasted it as the last one but not in the production order correct? An Officer And A Car Salesman was the last one to be filmed which went out before series 7. Cheers for that👍 Shame it was that one for DW to go out on then.😒
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Post by manta on Mar 18, 2023 11:49:47 GMT
This was a fun episode with a ton of wonderful one liners, captured by all you good folks here and a couple of good plot lines intertwined. I think "you stick your legs in there" is indeed so bonkers it does take the biscuit, but Arthur swinging from the Deep Joy of retirement and all its pleasures to be, to then fainting with the tax implications of selling up, Dave only just coping with Arthur paying his slate and Terry taking Arthur on the bus - who'd 'ave thought it - makes it a rich episode indeed. Justine is a nice glue to join stuff together plot-wise in his haphazard way - of course with little clue as to how the world actually works - e.g. the car crash. The masonic thing is interesting - most of us have no idea of its realism and those that do are not going to say. However, it does live up to stereotypes, so that's fine. It's a nice plot line, setting Arthur off in one direction very pleased with himself and then having to change direction, intertwined with the dolls to Leeds and the bailiff - excellently played by Iain Cuthbertson - indeed over the top but that fitted in nicely, IMHO. Plod were doing their bit - a relatively light touch - except of course for Jones's intervention. Terry is birds and banter and of course, behind the bar to jolt Arthur - no surprises and is the foil for much of the laughs. It does show that the "Arthur Daley Comedy Hour" is a fair comment from Dennis Waterman - although he didn't mean that as a dig at George Cole. For me, this episode just scrapes into Excellent - not as good as The Last Video Show but better than Fiddler On The Hoof, IMHO.
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Post by mlynn on Mar 19, 2023 2:19:24 GMT
What an all-star cast: Simon Cadell, Paul Eddington and Iain Cuthbertson. Royce Mills is perfect as Arthur's accountant. He seems to turn a blind eye to some of Arthur's dealings and is a 'bit of a gent'. Hard to think he played Knotweed in Up The Chastity Belt.
I always imagined what would have happened if Arthur Daley had met Charlie Endell, and this is the closest we can get to that.
It's good that Taff exerts his authority like a more effective Mr Chisholm.
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Post by Vic Piner on Jan 2, 2024 13:07:13 GMT
This episode had one of the funniest scenes. The part where Melish gets distracted by some “crumpet” and smashes the company car. It reminded me of the scene from If Money Be The Food of Love - Play On where Rycott’s colleague DC Carp crashes into the side of the van.
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Post by AlanH on Jan 7, 2024 11:38:41 GMT
An enjoyable episode, but perhaps not the send-off for Terry that you're hoping for as a viewer. ('Fatal Impression' might have been better in that respect.) What is great though is the cast, which is top class. Simon Cadell, Michael Lees, Paul Eddington, the always brilliant Iain Cuthbertson, but there's a feeling of regret knowing that it's the last Minder hurrah for Dennis Waterman, Meic Povey, Michael Troughton, Peter Childs and Mark Farmer (at least in terms of how the series was transmitted). The script is a good one with some great one liners and a credible plot. What I found slightly confusing is how Cuthbertson's Bernard McKenna character impounds Arthur's business and yet Arthur is still able to sign a contract selling it to Guy Wheeler (Eddington). I was expecting that McKenna's actions would make it impossible for the sale to go through, or at least that the twist would be that the contract was invalidated due to McKenna's actions and that this would mean that Arthur got away with keeping it. The driving lesson location looked mighty familiar and I at first thought it was Lauderdale Road, Maida Vale (seen in 'Randall and Hopkirk (Deceased)' as the site of Jean Hopkirk's flat), but checking out the excellent minder.org website I see I was one road out and it's neighbouring Castellain Road! Small world, TV... A 'Good', this one.
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Post by jjmolloy on Jan 7, 2024 17:07:54 GMT
An enjoyable episode, but perhaps not the send-off for Terry that you're hoping for as a viewer. ('Fatal Impression' might have been better in that respect.) What is great though is the cast, which is top class. Simon Cadell, Michael Lees, Paul Eddington, the always brilliant Iain Cuthbertson, but there's a feeling of regret knowing that it's the last Minder hurrah for Dennis Waterman, Meic Povey, Michael Troughton, Peter Childs and Mark Farmer (at least in terms of how the series was transmitted). The script is a good one with some great one liners and a credible plot. What I found slightly confusing is how Cuthbertson's Bernard McKenna character impounds Arthur's business and yet Arthur is still able to sign a contract selling it to Guy Wheeler (Eddington). I was expecting that McKenna's actions would make it impossible for the sale to go through, or at least that the twist would be that the contract was invalidated due to McKenna's actions and that this would mean that Arthur got away with keeping it. The driving lesson location looked mighty familiar and I at first thought it was Lauderdale Road, Maida Vale (seen in 'Randall and Hopkirk (Deceased)' as the site of Jean Hopkirk's flat), but checking out the excellent minder.org website I see I was one road out and it's neighbouring Castellain Road! Small world, TV... A 'Good', this one. Castellain Rd, Sutherland Rd, Elgin Avenue, the ever popular Little Venice and of course Warwick Avenue turn up time and time again in TV and film down the decades. In the 80s/90s I got to know the area well as my uncle lived in Elnathan Mews nearby, the council then moved him to Westbourne Terrace Rd off Little Venice. A basement flat with garden in one of the grand houses on that road. Councils were good back then!
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Post by kelotoph on Apr 15, 2024 11:31:04 GMT
Well, I've finally come to the end of my Network 'Terry era' box set and what an enjoyable ride it's been! The general feel of Series 7 is that Terry is getting fed up with being Arthur's lackey and is also starting to feel middle aged. Arthur's business empire is on the brink of collapse in this episode although he harbours thoughts of retiring to Spain with 'er Indoors. Had it been known by all concerned that Terry would not be back, the plot of this episode might have been tweaked to see Arthur off into the sunset, but then we wouldn't have got the Ray Daley years. A last hurrah for Rycott, Mellish and Jones and Justin(e) as well. Personally I would have liked Chisholm to have played a part, but this was not to be.
Very difficult to pick a favourite episode from the Terry era, but the two front runners in my book are "Good Old British Justice" * and "Goodbye Sailor".
*Edit: "Poetic Justice, Innit"
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