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Post by Zimbo on Dec 8, 2005 20:16:25 GMT
Good performance from Don Henderson though. Funny that Trevor Thomas (...OK launderette) and Billy Murray (Second Hand Pose) reappeared in much smaller roles than their earlier Minder appearances.
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Post by jno on Feb 6, 2006 12:07:57 GMT
I happen to love Fiddler On The Hoof - when UK GOLD first repeated Minder this, along with "Sorry Lorry" was one of the only episodes that made it through from this series. I love all the episodes from the final series and by now every big name was in it. You're right about smaller roles though, perhaps they just wanted to be in it that much! Billy Murray has been in pretty much everything cool the last twenty years and is a very good actor I think. The trouble is today, he doesn't have any good shows to star in anymore! Link to episode on minder.org: www.minder.org/episodeguide/S07E05_FiddlerOnTheHoof.htm
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Post by jno on Jun 26, 2015 9:40:39 GMT
Here is a note made by Roy Pointer for this episode. It is is difficult to make out exactly what it says, other than the words "night shoot" at the Winchester - I am certain it is for the above scene when Maltese Tony & Imogen leave the Winchester Club and get spotted by Mick & Dez. I think the date at the top reads 9/6/88, which is 100% consistent with other shooting dates I have for this episode!
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Post by Kevin Dean on Jun 26, 2015 20:04:47 GMT
I think its really odd how actors come back not many years on as a completely different character. I mean Billy Murray for example, who I think is great in this episode and Charlie in Second Hand Pose. But I just expect Terry or Arthur to say to him Hi Charlie in this episode! But what makes it even stranger is that some actors do come back as the same person, hence Scotch Harry for example.
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Post by barrythebook on Jun 26, 2015 21:47:11 GMT
I think there was scope to have a few more semi-regular characters in the series. Des, Arnie, Debbie and Penny worked well enough and even Maurice Michaelson and Scotch Harry were good to see return for a second outing. I'd much rather see an actor re-appear as the same character than somebody different.
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Post by jno on Jun 27, 2015 3:43:41 GMT
I agree with previous two posts. I often wonder with Minder whether casting often watched an old episode and simply thought 'I wonder if he needs a bit work?'.
Certainly Billy Murray and Trevor Thomas both had very big parts in the episodes they were in before and here they are again in 'Fiddler On The Hood' doing something different. This doesn't do much for continuity but clearly this was never considered as important. It might simply have been all about getting a recognisable 'boat' (and good actor of course) on the screen.
The craziest one for me is undoubtedly George Baker as Cooper in 'Days of Fines & Closures' and Bobby Altman in 'You Gotta Have Friends' - this part is 99.9% the same character, a nutcase gangster shadowed by two gorillas - this part is crying out for the return of Bobby Altman to me. If what I wrote in my first paragraph above is true then surely whoever was casting can't have spoken to the writer. Most likely the writer never knew about the old character either so wrote an entire script with effectively the same character in it which just happened to be played by the same person - crazy!
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Post by felixdeburgh on Jun 27, 2015 7:47:13 GMT
Would the writer of the first screenplay retain the rights to the character? I could see that being a reason as a different writer wouldn't be able to use a character created by someone else without a payment being made, something a production company would be reluctant to do having already shelled out for a script. They could always get the original writer to write another episode using the same character of course but maybe they were unavailable? For example, Warren Mitchell appeared in four different series of The Avengers but only played the same character in two of them (Brodny in Two's A Crowd in season 4 and The See Through Man in season 5) both written by Philip Levene.
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Post by Portland Road on Jul 9, 2015 21:38:17 GMT
A writer would remember the particular characters he had created. He could decide whether to revive them, and could write the part with the same actor in mind. If this actor was not available, then it might be decided to cast another actor, and possibly re-name the character.
Conversely, a character may not be revived by a different writer, simply because that writer might not be aware of the previous character. E.g. it could be coincidence that George Baker played two different, albeit similar, characters.
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Post by daz on Aug 14, 2015 20:38:50 GMT
Watched this episode tonight, one of my favourites. Don Henderson, Billy Murray, Michael Kitchen, Stickley from the Sweeney and the guy who played the photographer from the Sweeney also, Leroy I think the character he played was called, sorry I am rubbish at remembering episode titles. That is as good a line up of supporting actors as you can get.
George Cole has a load of good traits as an actor but for me he is at his absolute best when he is being threatened by somebody or something bad is happening to him, the facial expressions are just priceless, a joy to watch.
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Post by flyingsquad on Aug 14, 2015 20:49:49 GMT
Watched this episode tonight, one of my favourites. Don Henderson, Billy Murray, Michael Kitchen, Stickley from the Sweeney and the guy who played the photographer from the Sweeney also, Leeroy I think the character he played was called, sorry I am rubbish at remembering episode titles. That is as good a line up of supporting actors as you can get. George Cole has a load of good traits as an actor but for me he is at his absolute best when he is being threatened by somebody or something bad is happening to him, the facial expressions are just priceless, a joy to watch. He played Leroy in 'The Bigger They Are'.
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Post by gustav on Sept 22, 2015 13:54:20 GMT
Watched this on ITV4. New to me, I thought it was a really good episode. But I see from the episode location guide that there was a scene with Tony and Imogen boating on the Serpentine. That must have been cut from the broadcast by the busy people who have to shoe horn the shows into 48 minutes or whatever. Also what accent does Imogen think she is doing? Not recognisable to me as anywhere in particular.
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Post by chopper on Feb 10, 2016 9:59:12 GMT
Love this one & always have. Watched it numerous times & it was one of the few I had videoed off the TV years ago. Was it me - or was it "less cut" than usual? There seemed to be a couple more of the scenes that I don't recall seeing in previous ITV4 repeats.
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Post by glazbury on Mar 5, 2016 16:11:40 GMT
Love this one & always have. Watched it numerous times & it was one of the few I had videoed off the TV years ago. Was it me - or was it "less cut" than usual? There seemed to be a couple more of the scenes that I don't recall seeing in previous ITV4 repeats. I've watched quite a few episodes on ITV4 with obvious edited/deleted scenes and then watched the same episodes on ITV4 again when repeated with the edited/deleted scenes added back in! Looks like they've done the same with this episode.
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Post by pr1 on Aug 29, 2016 2:34:00 GMT
A highly enjoyable episode with plenty of great Arthur-Terry banter. The plot is a bit weak but that's ok it allows for more fine moments of characterization. Arthur buying the bike chain...Arthur shopping for a security system on the cheap...Terry is in a more humorous mood with his constant verbal needling and priority of Arthur.
I'm not surprised Arthur would have money stashed away but I am surprised he would tell anyone, even Terry how much he had hidden. Once again Arthur describes himself as not a tax evader but rather a tax avoider. The way George Cole says that makes me chuckle!
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Post by stephen79 on Oct 16, 2016 6:31:45 GMT
Watched this episode last night and apart from the great performance from Michael Kitchen, noticed the very odd ending. His character drops the money to a 3rd part under a railbridge, not related to "Flynn" and his crew, then goes and retrieves it from, seemingly, Flynn (I think it is mentioned in the dialogue), getting a beating in the process, and giving Daley's money back?
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Post by barrythebook on Oct 16, 2016 10:04:34 GMT
Watched this episode last night and apart from the great performance from Michael Kitchen, noticed the very odd ending. His character drops the money to a 3rd part under a railbridge, not related to "Flynn" and his crew, then goes and retrieves it from, seemingly, Flynn (I think it is mentioned in the dialogue), getting a beating in the process, and giving Daley's money back? Hello stephen79. The money was never intended for Lynch (i think you mean Lynch - not Flynn) The purpose of Tonys visit to London was to deliver the bag of money to the third party via the deposit box but because the Deposit Box building was out of action, alternative arrangements were made hence meeting the third party at the rail bridge. Until those arrangements were made Tony hides the money in his hotel room He doesn't risk going back to the hotel where he knows Lynch is waiting because the drop to the third party HAS to be made so 'borrows' the money from Arthur. Once Tony is in the clear with his bosses, he then goes back to his hotel, where he knows Lynch is waiting for him and takes his kicking so that he can retrieve the hidden money to repay Arthur. He could have jumped on a plane and been away but he took his 'medicine' as not to leave Arthur out of pocket. Great to have you on the forum btw but don't forget to introduce yourself in the new members section We're a friendly bunch always glad to have new contributors
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Post by karlbrookes on Feb 27, 2017 18:53:59 GMT
A couple of years ago my Dad went to a local golf course in the grounds of an old manor house. On this day by co-incidence they were shooting a TV period drama at the manor house. One of the actors (in costume) walked upto my Dad and his friend on his way by and engaged them in friendly chat-chat for around 20 minutes. A really nice man. It turns out this was Michael Kitchen filming an episode of "Foyle's War" When I told my huge Minder-fan Dad he had just spent 20 minutes talking to none other than "Maltese Tony" he couldnt believe it and went back the next day on the chance of seeing him and ask him a question or two about Minder but sadly filming had wrapped. He was gutted.
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Post by chopper on May 29, 2017 8:50:22 GMT
It's a classic,there are a lot of great & funny scenes,with some still priceless "one liners" I think series 7 is a bit under rated,this was probably just about my favourite in the series
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Post by Arch Stanton on Jun 28, 2017 19:09:20 GMT
Terrific episode. Two really laugh outloud moments at least.. The rest (when not laughing out loud) I spent chuckling or smirking... Arhtur's dialogue is very good. Especially on the way to his deposit box.. It was nice to see a poster for Barbarian Queen on the wall of Billy Bulman (err.. I mean Lynch). A rubbish film, but definitely a bit of trashy fun. I enjoyed it. Years later, the star of it, Lana Clarkson, was fatally shot in the head. Phil Spector was convicted in 2009.
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Post by jno on Jun 28, 2017 20:29:42 GMT
Bit of wedge is it Arthur?
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Post by alf on Aug 2, 2017 10:12:23 GMT
Great episode that just whizzes by.Next time I'm in a book shop next to a blonde lady I'll try tearing out the pages an eating them see how that works for me.
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Post by gra966 on Aug 3, 2017 5:12:39 GMT
A great episode for the final series , with plenty of good lines & humour , especially Terry winding Arthur up , about his so called security system & non existent dog Its a pity Maltese Tony appeared this late in the series , he would have been a good re occurring character Dave talks to Terry about Unchained Melody , which in a couple of years would be back at number 1 , courtesy of Ghost One of my favourite scenes , is at the very end , when Terry & Imogen are trying to exchange phone numbers & Arthur is shouting in the background for him to hurry up . It reminded me of those days when you used to go clubbing & trying to get a girl s number at the end of the night and your mates were desperate to get home ! Soon after this episode was made , Don Henderson appeared in The Paradise Club , alongside Leslie Grantham On the motors front , Arthur is trying to sell a Polski Fiat , to an unsuspecting punter at the very beginning , without much luck , surprisingly ! Billy Murray screams around in a knackered MK2 Capri & Maltese Tony hands over the money to a guy in a nice green Bentley & falls asleep after his kicking in the back of a red Sierra on the car lot , putting matching claret over the back seat !
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Post by billyfarmer on Aug 9, 2017 17:49:01 GMT
Enjoyed watching this episode, on ITV4, this afternoon, another episode, which I have always liked, I can remember seeing Fiddler on the Hoof, when the episode, was first shown on ITV, in 1989.
Some good guest stars, in this episode - Michael Kitchen (Maltese Tony), Don Henderson (Billy Lynch) and Billy Murray (Mick).
Lots of scenes I like, in this episode, including - when Dave, sings Unchained Melody, in the Winchester Club, where Imogen (Carole Ashby), whacks Mick and Dez, and Arthur holding on for dear life, when Mick, gives him, a lift, back to the lock-up.
Typical of Arthur, to go for the cheap option, when looking for an alarm system, for his lock-up.
A memorable line, from Terry, when Arthur's alarm system, goes wrong - you got any Catherine Wheels, Arthur.
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Post by arnie1 on Aug 9, 2017 21:47:55 GMT
Trevor Thomas (...OK launderette) and "Imogen" were horrendous in this episode, accents and acting all over the place. Michael Kitchen is good in this despite the blah blah plotting.
I think series seven missed Leon Griffiths big time. The ageing of Terry could have been exploited so much more than it was.
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Post by Zimbo on Sept 1, 2017 16:51:37 GMT
Excellent episode, with the Terry and Arthur banter at it's best. Dave doing his Jimmy Young impersonation is a highlight. I like the guest stars here, even though Carol Ashby's accent is all over the place. She sounds Welsh at some points. I liked her fight scene. She could have made a good replacement for Terry.
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Post by billyfarmer on Mar 5, 2018 12:33:08 GMT
Below is a Press Photograph (which I obtained on eBay). Written below, the words which can be found on the back of the above Press Photograph. Thames Television Minder Monday 30 January 1989 9pm - 10pm Fiddler on the Hoof Maltese Tony (Michael Kitchen) is back in England to deliver £20 grand, but Billy Lynch (Don Henderson) is after his blood, Tony enlists the help of Arthur (George Cole) and Terry (Dennis Waterman) to help him accomplish his mission. While Tony is in London, he meets Imogen (Carole Ashby), a tall blonde Scandinavian beauty, who proves she has hidden strengths. This episode of Minder is written by David Humphries, directed by Terry Green and produced by George Taylor, Executive producer is John Hambley, Minder is a Euston Films production. Picture shows: Carole Ashby as the beautiful Imogen.
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Post by thewoodster on Mar 5, 2018 21:20:07 GMT
One of the better episodes from this series.
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Post by chopper on Nov 4, 2018 20:52:56 GMT
Always a great episode for me. It was good to see ITV4 hadn’t cut this so much! The conversation between Arthur & Terry, Talking about Maltese Tony’s past is often cut. Also good to see Tony & Imogen’s excursion on the peddle boat, I have to say that was a pleasant sight!......
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Post by I used to think I was a parrot on Nov 5, 2018 21:22:14 GMT
Maltese Tony is a great character - "Arthur you old bandit!".
This is a very good episode.
I agree Imogen sounds Welsh!
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Post by denzel on Aug 9, 2019 11:10:08 GMT
Saw this the other night, and it's one of those you enjoy more with each viewing, sort of. Rather than compare the episodes of this final Terry series with each other, I prefer to point out things I noticed in them. - David, or Dave Humphries wrote this, and a couple of other episodes too. My favorite of these is probably High Drains Pilferer.
- A good shot of Arthur, the quick close-up on his boat, once he's first peeked in his security box.
- When Arthur is describing the first motor he sold to Tony, he seemed to have said "bent seats". Took me a couple of re-listens till I heard bench seats..but even then, being as it's Daley here, I reckon I was right the first time.
- As has been mentioned, a few previous Minder actors reappear in this one, in smaller roles than before. One who also reappeared, but in about the same size of a role here as before, was April Walker. Read on this forum somewhere, among other places how she had been considered for a role in Doctor Who. I knew her not only from here, but from The Two Ronnies. A fine actress, I'll say.
- Another actor I'd seen before was Don Henderson....in the original Star Wars, no less. Always love seeing Star Wars and Star Trek actors in Minder..we do get a few. I know he was more famous for Bulman, but I didn't know that till recently. He did very well here.
- I'm not sure what's more impressive..the fact that Dez (as opposed to Des) recalled Daley, seeing him on the telly..or the reuse of the "sawdust in the gearbox" gag from the previous series.
- Liked Arthur and his shifty eyes, when asking the shop assistant what else he's got.
- More classic ribbing of Arthur from Terry here, in the lockup. Who's going to do the barking, you..I can see you out there....woof woof, bowsy wowsy....also, with Arthur's microwave sensor thingie...what does it do, make the toast and then fire it at them...great delivery as usual from Dennis.
- Maybe it's me, but Dave Humphries seems to write Dave as a bit more of a lecherous bloke..in the aforementioned Pilferer episode, he's reading page three, and in this, he's all over Tony's bird.
- Arthur being dragged off his lot by Mick was amusing, as was his arrival at Lynch's pace..where he "bumps into" some Richard, flaunting her 'arris.
- Arthur caged up was great..a loan..I don't give loans....leave it aloaane! Fun stuff from George Cole again.
- Great ending, with Arthur stating that Tony'll have to buy the blood stained motor now..and with the freeze frame on his smiling boat race.
The craziest one for me is undoubtedly George Baker as Cooper in 'Days of Fines & Closures' and Bobby Altman in 'You Gotta Have Friends' - this part is 99.9% the same character, a nutcase gangster shadowed by two gorillas True, jno. As was said on the thread of 'Days of Fines & Closures', a wasted opportunity. We are left with the seeming fact that the Altman character just needed one punch from Tel, to shut him up for the whole duration of Minder. You'd have thought he'd want to come back someday, to settle the score. While Tony is in London, he meets Imogen (Carole Ashby), a tall blonde Scandinavian beauty, who proves she has hidden strengths. Scandinavian, they say. Well I'm no expert on their accents at all, but she didn't seem to sound so Scandinavian to me. I preferred Carole Ashby's accent in Allo Allo, on reflection. George Cole has a load of good traits as an actor but for me he is at his absolute best when he is being threatened by somebody or something bad is happening to him, the facial expressions are just priceless, a joy to watch. Yes, that is one of the very best features of his performances as Arthur, to be sure. Funny that Trevor Thomas (...OK launderette) and Billy Murray (Second Hand Pose) reappeared in much smaller roles than their earlier Minder appearances. The former, I hadn't realized it was him until the end credits, and the latter, spent a lot of his time manhandling Arthur, and clapping his hands at Maltese. Certainly a come down for both of them, for the most part, but maybe they really had wanted to be in this, for whatever reason.
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