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Post by Shot By Both Sides on May 24, 2020 20:33:44 GMT
Voted GOOD but tire of seeing it now.
It seems like it's the one Minder episode that gets the most airtime.
Probably not true but it's how it seems.
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Post by pr1 on Aug 3, 2020 0:01:00 GMT
I forgot this was the episode with Syrup. I laughed out loud as soon as he appeared. At the beginning when Arthur is looking for Shamy he tells the Indian guy to get back to “the jack and jill”. What does that mean? Is it a reference to the store’s register till? At around the ten minute mark, when Arthur and Terry are looking for Shamy, a small group can be seen standing on the sidewalk watching the filming.
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Post by jjmolloy on Aug 3, 2020 14:36:02 GMT
I forgot this was the episode with Syrup. I laughed out loud as soon as he appeared. At the beginning when Arthur is looking for Shamy he tells the Indian guy to get back to “the jack and jill”. What does that mean? Is it a reference to the store’s register till? At around the ten minute mark, when Arthur and Terry are looking for Shamy, a small group can be seen standing on the sidewalk watching the filming. Yes that's correct ''jack and jill'' is till. In early episodes bystanders can often be seen on the pavement as we say in UK and Ireland, or footpath is used also.
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Post by pr1 on Aug 3, 2020 14:38:13 GMT
Thank you jjmolloy! Cheers mate!
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Post by Russ on Aug 4, 2020 15:56:38 GMT
You can knock Syrup all you like, but I swear they substituted him for Roger Mooore at the end!
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Post by plasticpenguin on Aug 5, 2020 1:36:27 GMT
This episode makes me curl up with laughter. The plot is so-so but the frustration with Chisholm is priceless. Add in the Roger Moore syrup and a cameo from Robbie Coltrane and IMO it's a recipe for blinding TV.
"There are more important things in life than nicking Daley. At the moment I can't think of one. He is a thorn in my side, a tickle in the throat..."
Wicked.
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Post by jjmolloy on Aug 5, 2020 12:03:33 GMT
This episode makes me curl up with laughter. The plot is so-so but the frustration with Chisholm is priceless. Add in the Roger Moore syrup and a cameo from Robbie Coltrane and IMO it's a recipe for blinding TV. "There are more important things in life than nicking Daley. At the moment I can't think of one. He is a thorn in my side, a tickle in the throat..."Wicked. Leon Griffiths at his masterful best. The great lines keep coming from start to finish.
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Post by chopper on Aug 5, 2020 20:17:54 GMT
I agree - the one liners in this episode or something else, utterly brilliant episode. Used this episode in the “ITV Remembers “ one off back in early 1989, a week after they did the same for Sweeney. Even though Minder was still showing on ITV a series 7 around that time?!?.....
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Post by west12lad on Aug 6, 2020 10:25:33 GMT
The one liner that stuck out for me was when The Asian gangster was in the lock up and Chisholm /Jones Arrive. Said Entourage disappear quick smart and then Arthur is asked about this association and he says "I'm just doing my bit for racialist relations"- I laughed out loud for sure! I thought the Polite gangster was great having dealt first hand with similar characters from Brick lane over the years (curry house owners who shall remain nameless)- Brick lane was a great choice for location over Southall I think!The Seven stars Pub is no more alas )but was infamous for screening of the K foundations burning a million quid) linkSadly the Pub needs an awful lot spent on its plumbing and sewer system which is next door to the school (and would involve work on the school side too) - you can see the school when Shamy legs it from the Pub and the local community are chasing him (a copper stops the group outside the school) But Pub goers- all is not lost, around the corner off brick lane, on Heneage Street is a great Old school Nuclear sub called The Pride of Spitalfields, which is fairly unmolested. Decent episode, Shamy is a fun character, as is the Syrup
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Post by onmygrannieseyesight on Aug 12, 2020 17:00:33 GMT
I think it’s when Robbie Coltrane offers Chisholm a “Starsky” that I spat my tea out. Wasn’t Starsky permed? Would love to see that.
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Post by barrythebook on Aug 12, 2020 17:46:21 GMT
I think it’s when Robbie Coltrane offers Chisholm a “Starsky” that I spat my tea out. Wasn’t Starsky permed? Would love to see that. Very popular down at the yard
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Post by harryshand on Aug 19, 2020 10:17:42 GMT
Very good but not quite excellent for me. The Syrup is a classic side character though. Looking forward to hearing about VATs meet up with Art Mailk who is also very good in this episode.
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Post by daz on Dec 13, 2020 16:37:48 GMT
Watched today and easily one of my favourite episodes. I like everything about it, but my favourite bit is seeing Shamy come good for Terry.
Terry is a kind soul and was good to see for once that he wasn't taken advantage of.
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Post by bigaitch on Mar 29, 2021 20:47:08 GMT
A very good episode, enhanced for me by the use of Brick Lane, an area I know well. As previously stated, The Syrup is a great character as is Shammy to be fair, and Chisholm has some great lines....Continuing from his distaste of Arthur,....’Albanian Sparkling wine, flood damaged bathing suits....’ very funny especially when you remember at the time Albania was under communist rule and had virtually no trade agreements with anywhere. However, my laugh out loud moment came when Arthur’s lock up was being searched and Chisholm makes a comment about Arthur. AD ‘That is a terrible insult’ Chisholm ‘I’ve been saving that one up’....Loved it....!
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Post by kettle on Mar 29, 2021 22:04:13 GMT
Liked the bit where the sewing machine Arthur sold Shamy broke down, and Shamy said "I paid good money for that. Well, sort of."
Recently found out the actor playing Shamy was also the key villain in the Schwarzenegger movie "True Lies".
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Post by billyfarmer on Mar 22, 2022 23:51:09 GMT
Been a long time since I have watched this episode (which will always be one of my favourite Minder episodes), but an incident occurred recently which instantly made me think of this episode, one day, I was in Barnwells Newsagents, in Aylsham (my home town) Market Place, and the lady behind the counter, told me that recently fake £20 notes, had been circulating in shops, in the town, and that she had seen some of the fake £20 notes.
After the lady (behind the counter in Barnwells Newsagents), told me about the fake £20 notes, three TV characters popped into my head - Arthur Daley, the Syrup and Shamy.
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Post by euston1971 on Mar 29, 2022 20:07:55 GMT
A 'proper' episode that has an earlier feel to it and could have easily fitted into the first two series.
Why? Well it is was written by its creator, which meant that Arthur was written as intended and not drifting of into buffoonery as some others writers in the series drifted the character into.
Leon's scripts often had supporting characters not reverting to stereotype as Arthur often played up to. Shammy 'not even liking curry' juxtaposed with Arthur 'inviting' Asian characters into his lock up with a ' I was down Brick Lane the other day' greeting in a mixture of ignorance and innocence. I was a frequent visitor to Brick Lane and the East End around the time it was shot, as my father and I would visit the wholesalers on a Sunday morning.
You would never get an episode such as this commissioned in a million years - especially on the very safe ITV - but it shows what great television could be made before gate corporate PC types got hold.
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Post by stagger on Aug 7, 2022 16:10:48 GMT
I like how Syrup sneaks away from Chisholm in the last scene, blink and you'd miss him!
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Post by steve99 on Aug 7, 2022 19:01:34 GMT
I wouldn't say there was anything offensive in this episode, not that the ultra-sensitive dopes who run TV today would agree of course. In fact, Leon Griffiths takes a more radical approach to that of patronising PC writers and portrays Shamy as someone who's not just another member of a minority group. Shamy is married to a woman from outwith his community, which I think even today is fairly uncommon, and as Shamy says himself, he's just a Londoner. Art Malik gives Shamy a vulnerable and likeable quality, someone without malice who's as likely to be the victim of his misdeeds as those he's trying to con, e.g. if Tel hadn't spirited him away in the Capri at the video shop, Shamy was in line for a pasting. The Syrup is a classic Minder character, someone you could certainly say was on the fringes of society, and if anything he's more dishonest than Shamy if not quite as likeable. The Syrup has a lot of front, cadging off Terry in the bookies, who's daft enough to 'lend' cash from a rare win which you know won't be repaid. Asking for money to buy sweets for his daughter, who's about 30, is shameless on the Syrup's part, but I suppose someone who's so deluded he walks around wearing a variety of ludicrous wigs is more deserving of pity than anything else, poor old b-gger. A real clanger from Jones when he says he was going to suggest his guv'nor should try wearing a rug. Re the fake 20 quid notes, I was watching a programme recently where a young driver was pulled over by the Old Bill. At first the cops thought he was dealing in drugs as he had a thick wad of notes, but on closer inspection it turned out to be fake money. He bought the dodgy dough online, with the wad used to try and impress others. It reminds me of Arthur and the money wrapped round the toilet roll in Broken Arrow. But it's to be hoped no one on the forum motored like Denise in their learner driver days...
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Post by azza200 on Aug 7, 2022 19:14:46 GMT
Would of been good to see The Syrup show up in other episodes
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Post by azza200 on Aug 9, 2022 22:00:50 GMT
I have just seen this video and there is the syrup
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Post by 615 on Aug 10, 2022 9:02:29 GMT
Well spotted. I saw that video the other day and it was driving me mad that I'd seen him, but couldn't place the face. Thank you.
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Post by jno on Aug 11, 2022 4:34:26 GMT
Would of been good to see The Syrup show up in other episodes Absolutely, he is one that definitely deserved a second outing.
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Post by westminster on Aug 11, 2022 15:44:20 GMT
Funny, I've never really 'got' this episode. Art Malik's Shamy just seems a bit forced to me. I dunno, maybe I'm influenced by the fact that my brother was once in Malik's company and found him completely unbearable. A real OTT actor-lovey type.
ps. I like the Syrup though, he should maybe have been used again.
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Post by steve99 on Aug 11, 2022 17:56:23 GMT
Luvs, I'm disappointed to hear of Art Malik indulging in luvvieness, but I suppose it's always a risk when actors mix with other actors so much. All this chit-chat about thespianism and the associated luv-ins can lead to outbreaks of luvvieitis and the more serious variant luvviepox, conditions which can be very difficult to cure and which cause sufferers to face the scorn and derision of others. Those afflicted often don't seek help as they refuse to admit they have a problem, continuing to walk along Shaftesbury Avenue in billowing shirts bellowing Shakespeare.
The use of the word luvvie has previously infuriated leading the-atrical di-rector Trevor Nunn, whose boat in recent years has reminded me of something from 70s kids' TV show Pipkins. Trev is 82 years of age and flatly denies his dark hair is dyed.
Smudger is one of the better minor characters in Minder, telling Arthur he must've been Brahms the night they had a chat. I'm not totally sure Mr D enjoyed his brief stint as a driving instructor.
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Post by russ1982 on Aug 14, 2022 14:39:02 GMT
I watched this for the first time at the turn of the year, after I got the Minder box set for Xmas. I enjoyed this episode and showed what a good bloke Terry was by giving Shamy his winnings from his bet to go to India and even better when he sent Terry cash in a brown envelope.
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Post by c79 on Aug 25, 2022 10:33:53 GMT
A 'proper' episode that has an earlier feel to it and could have easily fitted into the first two series. Why? Well it is was written by its creator, which meant that Arthur was written as intended and not drifting of into buffoonery as some others writers in the series drifted the character into. Leon's scripts often had supporting characters not reverting to stereotype as Arthur often played up to. Shammy 'not even liking curry' juxtaposed with Arthur 'inviting' Asian characters into his lock up with a ' I was down Brick Lane the other day' greeting in a mixture of ignorance and innocence. I was a frequent visitor to Brick Lane and the East End around the time it was shot, as my father and I would visit the wholesalers on a Sunday morning. You would never get an episode such as this commissioned in a million years - especially on the very safe ITV - but it shows what great television could be made before gate corporate PC types got hold. Spot on euston. The Asian characters are fully formed and realistic, and sadly we're unlikely to see comedy drama of this quality again. I'm convinced a lot of the final scenes in episodes are partially ad-libbed by GC and DW, like the money counting here. Delightful.
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Post by jjmolloy on Aug 25, 2022 10:59:04 GMT
One of the very best. Never a dull moment.
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Post by poppet2k22 on Aug 25, 2022 13:27:04 GMT
Reading some of the other replies and people think of this as an episode of an earlier series I only watch Minder, The Sweeney etc on ITV 4 but this particular episode is very grimy looking in its visual presentation and it did remind me of season 1 or 2. Since there are no blu ray's of the show do any of the DVD sets have a better cleaner version of this episode or does it need a proper restoration? If so I wonder why this looks so rough as the other episodes even from the previous series look much better.
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Post by jjmolloy on Aug 25, 2022 14:30:56 GMT
Reading some of the other replies and people think of this as an episode of an earlier series I only watch Minder, The Sweeney etc on ITV 4 but this particular episode is very grimy looking in its visual presentation and it did remind me of season 1 or 2. Since there are no blu ray's of the show do any of the DVD sets have a better cleaner version of this episode or does it need a proper restoration? If so I wonder why this looks so rough as the other episodes even from the previous series look much better. Never minded the picture quality, it was a rough and ready era, and some of us who lived in the city at the time have a great fondness for the times and places we see in the show. The show was never made to be viewed on TV's that fill a whole wall of a house I think. I just stick to my 28 inch in the corner of the room as I've done for the last 40 years.
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