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Post by jno on Feb 17, 2015 9:44:49 GMT
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Post by jno on Feb 17, 2015 14:26:53 GMT
There is a great moment at the end of this episode at the Winchester Club when Arthur is asked about Christmas dinner alone he replies "I suppose someone will invite me" to which he receives nothing but blank looks from Terry and Dave. 
I have the original script for this episode and there are lots of little differences in the dialogue throughout that look ad-libbed to me from the original.
Here is one such scene...just before the first ad break.
According to the front of the script it says DAY ONE are scenes 1-7, this up to where Dave says "they don't talk about their gardens or their fishes" and DAY TWO are scenes 8-13 - scene 8 starts when Arthur is on the phone to Cyril at 25m03s. This must clearly be some sort of reference to how this was to filmed but with only 13 minutes 13 seconds of new footage I would have to assume this was all filmed on the same day. At the start of this episode Arthur talks about his brother-in-law ('deep pockets') and says he was "at the nip" all the time when he came to visit. Anyone know the origin of that phrase? |
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Post by richb on Feb 24, 2015 22:51:54 GMT
Only episode I haven't seen  |
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Post by swainy on Mar 1, 2015 20:29:51 GMT
Although it's a flash back episode I do enjoy the banter in the new scenes.
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Post by richb on Mar 7, 2015 10:54:32 GMT
Just finished watching this and although most of the episode is flash backs the feel of the new scenes are completely different to the direction they took the show in series 4 and onwards. I watched Rocky 8 1/2 straight afterwards and although the story is about Terry it's the real start of the 'Arthur Daley show' where Terry is treated as a bit of a mug. In the Christmas Bonus scenes Terry (like in a lot of the previous seasons) is almost laughing at Arthur (in attitude) where as later on he is really put upon
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Post by mybodyguard on Sept 16, 2015 20:19:03 GMT
I'll usually throw this in around Christmas time and just fast forward through the clips and stop on all the new scenes. Has anyone ever made an edited version with only the 13 minutes of new footage?
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Post by jno on Sept 17, 2015 2:00:51 GMT
I'll usually throw this in around Christmas time and just fast forward through the clips and stop on all the new scenes. Has anyone ever made an edited version with only the 13 minutes of new footage? Not that I know of, but it is an interesting idea. |
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Post by yoyopickles on Sept 17, 2015 22:42:27 GMT
This episode is a bit of an oddity really, but great to see, as out of all of the Christmas specials, it is the only one that is about Christmas.
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Post by mybodyguard on Dec 22, 2015 14:11:24 GMT
So is the Cyril that sells 'er indoors the stand by tickets supposed to be the same as Cyril the Antiques Dealer in the series 3 episode Why Pay Tax?
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Post by swainy on Dec 22, 2015 19:08:11 GMT
No I don't think so.
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Post by micks72 on Dec 24, 2015 22:44:42 GMT
I'll usually throw this in around Christmas time and just fast forward through the clips and stop on all the new scenes. Has anyone ever made an edited version with only the 13 minutes of new footage? Not that I know of, but it is an interesting idea. I'll give it a go, rough notes described below if I have missed anything please let me know 00:00 - 02:22 opening credits (01:11), decorating tree, scotch harry 03:16 - 04:27 arthur brings lights. lotus 07:45 - 08:59 phone call about flight tickets, the bull 12:16 - 13:01 fixing lights, arthur locked out 17:22 - 19:02 first aid box, uncle Terry 20:19 - 21:14 dave's job, ernie released 24:29 - 25:50 on phone to cyril, coffin transit 28:37 - 29:15 the fuse,man overboard jacko, piano in pool 33:16 - 34:01 lights working again, jury 36:14 - 37:40 Tel in a cell 42:40 - 43:55 invite to dinner 47:32 - 49:24 xmas at the winchester, (49:13)end credits |
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Post by pr1 on Apr 26, 2016 2:07:26 GMT
I loathe clip episodes since they occur far too often in American tv shows. I think this one would be an exception. It's Minder after all and George Cole as Arthur Daley. The new footage sounds amusing and entertaining
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Post by pr1 on May 2, 2016 20:34:49 GMT
I didn't realize until today this is a bonus on my North American Series Five DVD set. The new material is great! The clips are well chosen. For what it is at least it's well done and some effort went into making it.
I did notice the picture quality is lower than normal though.
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Post by mybodyguard on May 10, 2016 13:21:16 GMT
I didn't realize until today this is a bonus on my North American Series Five DVD set. The new material is great! The clips are well chosen. For what it is at least it's well done and some effort went into making it. I did notice the picture quality is lower than normal though. I'm surprised by that, as I didn't think the US versions had any bonus content. I only own series 1 and it's bare bones. |
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Post by bensonrad on May 19, 2016 19:38:10 GMT
I fast forwarded the clips and watched the new content (as I'd only recently watched the episodes with the clips). I think a full episode of just Terry, Arthur and Dave locked in the Winchester reflecting on Christmas would have been a good one, just longer than 13mins and without the clips.
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Post by syrupapplesnpears on Jun 22, 2016 20:51:11 GMT
Just managed to squeeze this in at its (more or less) right chronological place (it's on dailymotion.com, albeit slightly jerky)after watching episode 4.1 and only just finding out it existed.
As far as the 'blooper' is concerned, I think it's a deliberate gag that Arthur's dodgy lights have gone again.
Nice subplot too re 'Er 'Indoors' and a great line from Arthur. “I want him damaged – and any kith and kin you can lay your hands on”.
Loved the bit re the first-aid box - as a cat owner, I know that Bob Martin make stuff for treating fleas and the like.
Oh - and Dave's reference to a 'Moriarty' - party?
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Post by Zimbo on Dec 26, 2016 11:48:03 GMT
Had to have a watch of this with it being the season and all that.
Very well chosen clips and some nice interplay between Terry, Arthur and Dave.
My Clearvision copy (Specials vol1) is quite poor quality. Lots of scratches and washed out colour. I imagine it never got many repeat showings, like 'Nice Little Wine', so I imagine it could be something to do with the way the original negatives were shown.
This DVD is notable that it includes the 'salute to Thames' indent on this and Around The Corner.
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Post by jno on May 25, 2017 4:56:23 GMT
Oh - and Dave's reference to a 'Moriarty' - party? Yes! Terry also says this in 'An Officer & a Car Salesman' and I believe Dennis Waterman even uses the phrase in the Reminder audio book too.
Meanwhile, a rarely seen promotional photo for this one from the TV TIMES Christmas Edition 1983:  |
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Post by pr1 on Dec 19, 2017 1:53:32 GMT
I think I will watch this again on Christmas Eve or Christmas Day.
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Post by daz on Dec 19, 2017 18:20:18 GMT
I've still never watched this. I will have to look out the boxset and give it a watch, along with that other short episode which comes as an extra.
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Post by thewoodster on Feb 7, 2018 9:14:39 GMT
I thoroughly enjoyed the festive episode. A great Xmas eve watch.
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Post by denzel on Aug 12, 2019 21:45:54 GMT
Something a little different, this..and loads of fun. It may not be "chrimbo", or Hanukkah, or anything like that now..but here are my notes on this anyhow, having seen the new scenes from this earlier. - As others have said, the new footage is fun, with the trio of lads only. As for the chosen clips..they had seemed to relate to what's going on in the new footage, at least some of them..though I wasn't really trying to figure out how, at the time. The main thing I noticed, just now..Leon Griffiths, who wrote this, seems to have used clips from episodes he'd written...at least in the case of the series one episodes. Interesting, and maybe down to rights.
- This also happens to be the first Leon Griffiths written episode I've commented on, so far; not so much dark and gritty stuff in it mind, except for the lights going out, and maybe Tel trying to give Arthur a connery..more on that in a bit.
- If Leon Griffiths said Daley had kids...he did
 As mentioned, we see a clip from another Leon Griffiths penned episode, which I think has the only other reference to Daley having sired sprogs before. Now we learn he has two of them. Would have loved to have seen them, jumping all over daddy Daley, like when his relatives "played" with him in Another Bride, Another Groom. - Terry scaring the whatsits out of Arthur was a highlight of the new footage.
- The lights blowing later is also fun..this sort of scene always tends to be, when George Cole is involved.. especially when he gets a shock, and goes, "aaaaaaah!"
- Line of the episode goes to Tel: "Arthur Daley..the prince of darkness".
- Arthur claims Terry has one "O level", for woodwork. I'm not so clear if those examinations were still called O levels, or GCE's, as Del refers to them in Only Fools And Horses, already. Either way, seems it's Rodney 2, Terry 1.
- Liked Tel's line, warning Dave not to have Arthur to do the rewiring, with his "first class man", as he'd have electricians, carpenters, carpet layers, plasterers...and it'd all be Terry.
- This does indeed seem to be the sole occasion Tel smokes...or for that matter, Dave.
- On the site's episode guide, it used to mention a legend about Er' Indoors supposedly appearing in the original transmission of this, in a shot at the airport, and how no one had been able to confirm or deny this. Who knows?
I have the original script for this episode and there are lots of little differences in the dialogue throughout that look ad-libbed to me from the original.
Here is one such scene...just before the first ad break. Haha yes, good point jno! Since nothing whatsoever about Tel doing that is in the script...one rather thinks Dennis just decided to shock George Cole, of his own accord...interesting, hehe. |
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Post by jno on Aug 13, 2019 6:45:41 GMT
I think the 'O-Level' reference was still valid at this point, the 'GCSE' not replacing it till 1988. I still hear people of a certain generation using the term, proving that change really does take a generation. I've not seen that promotional photo anywhere other than in that edition of TV Times. I believe this one was filmed in October/November 1983, so the turnaround on those 13 minutes must have been pretty fast. I own paperwork for this one.  |
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Post by mybodyguard on Dec 24, 2020 5:46:08 GMT
Great line by Arthur when they're all getting tipsy: "I never understood why they call Terrys Tellys."
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Post by ltd on Dec 24, 2020 10:07:20 GMT
I think the 'O-Level' reference was still valid at this point, the 'GCSE' not replacing it till 1988. I still hear people of a certain generation using the term, proving that change really does take a generation. I remember back in '86 I think the GCSE was being trialed. Some exams you got an "O-Level" cert and a CSE one. I don't think this dual approach carried through to the final model of the qualification a couple of years later, but I could be wrong. A long time ago now. |
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Post by daz on Dec 26, 2020 10:01:03 GMT
I think the 'O-Level' reference was still valid at this point, the 'GCSE' not replacing it till 1988. I still hear people of a certain generation using the term, proving that change really does take a generation. I remember back in '86 I think the GCSE was being trialed. Some exams you got an "O-Level" cert and a CSE one. I don't think this dual approach carried through to the final model of the qualification a couple of years later, but I could be wrong. A long time ago now. GCSE was first roles out in English, up in Scotland in third year in 1987 that year group were the first guinea pigs for it across Scotland, with the first exams for it for 89. The rest of our subjects were O Level and CSE, which I believe stood for Completely Shyte Education. I couldn't explain the current set up to anyone as all very confusing. I might actually dig out the box set and watch this episode today as have still never done so. |
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Post by 615 on Apr 11, 2022 7:38:24 GMT
I left school about the time Minder started and we did GCE o levels at the Grammar School, while the Secondary across the town did CSE. GCE' s were graded A to E, with A to C being a pass with D and E being fails. There was also the U grade (unclassified- I am the proud recipient of that for my geology).
CSE's were graded 1 to 7 with the 1 being equivalent to GCE Grade C. The joke used to be that you got CSE Grade 7 for writing your name on the top of the paper!
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Post by coyote on Apr 11, 2022 16:16:20 GMT
The first GCSE year in England was 1988, my year was the first to take them. We'd been doing the syllabus for the previous 2 years including continuous assessment as it was called at the time ie. teacher-marked assignments and grading which formed part of the grade in some subjects like English.
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Post by barrythebook on Apr 11, 2022 20:44:19 GMT
The first GCSE year in England was 1988, my year was the first to take them. We'd been doing the syllabus for the previous 2 years including continuous assessment as it was called at the time ie. teacher-marked assignments and grading which formed part of the grade in some subjects like English. You're the same age as me then lecoyote, I was in the first year to take GCSE too. As I remember, wasn't there some misunderstanding (nationally) about the work we should be doing or the marking process or something and a certain amount of leniency was granted when it came to our final grades? |
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Post by jno on Apr 12, 2022 5:14:03 GMT
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