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Post by gustav on Mar 19, 2020 23:14:47 GMT
I saw this scene recently but didn't notice that detail. However, they look really authentic, it is hard to believe they are extras. But then again that might be testimony to the film makers skill. You can't really film people in a street without controlling everyone on set, that means filling the scene with extras. These ones really look the part. The trouble with filming innocent bystanders is that they will gawp at the camera or walk across shot or do something stuped. The fact that they don't do this suggests to me that they are part of a very carefully created set-up.
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Post by pr1 on Mar 19, 2020 23:18:34 GMT
Doesn't Arthur make a reference to such sidewalk hucksters near the beginning or is that in another Season 3 episode? I can't check the DVD at the moment.
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Post by daz on Mar 20, 2020 6:56:25 GMT
I saw this scene recently but didn't notice that detail. However, they look really authentic, it is hard to believe they are extras. But then again that might be testimony to the film makers skill. You can't really film people in a street without controlling everyone on set, that means filling the scene with extras. These ones really look the part. The trouble with filming innocent bystanders is that they will gawp at the camera or walk across shot or do something stuped. The fact that they don't do this suggests to me that they are part of a very carefully created set-up. When you look at it close up they do look a little too well groomed when standing around the guy, all of them in suits would that really be the case for that part of London?
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Post by barrythebook on Mar 20, 2020 9:08:36 GMT
I saw this scene recently but didn't notice that detail. However, they look really authentic, it is hard to believe they are extras. But then again that might be testimony to the film makers skill. You can't really film people in a street without controlling everyone on set, that means filling the scene with extras. These ones really look the part. The trouble with filming innocent bystanders is that they will gawp at the camera or walk across shot or do something stuped. The fact that they don't do this suggests to me that they are part of a very carefully created set-up. When you look at it close up they do look a little too well groomed when standing around the guy, all of them in suits would that really be the case for that part of London? I think that was the way a lot of the criminal fraternity dressed but come to think of it, they would have been out later in the day. This scene was morning as Terry and Monica had just had breakfast in the café. Good points Gustav you may well be right but I still think it's quite a bit of effort for a of seconds of background activity.
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Post by daz on Mar 20, 2020 10:55:00 GMT
When you look at it close up they do look a little too well groomed when standing around the guy, all of them in suits would that really be the case for that part of London? I think that was the way a lot of the criminal fraternity dressed but come to think of it, they would have been out later in the day. This scene was morning as Terry and Monica had just had breakfast in the café. Good points Gustav you may well be right but I still think it's quite a bit of effort for a of seconds of background activity. Possible that the stall itself was real, but put a few extras around him to stop him being seen and avoid any interest from the Police. I believe if you film in London now there is a special part of the Police force to deal with closing down streets and the like, not just a case of rocking up with a camera in a busy part of town and start filming like they used to. Although it does sometimes spoil a scene there is something very innocent about it and often wonder if people ever saw themselved on screen on some of the biggest shows on TV at the time. There must be people watching these episodes and recognise people they knew pop up randomly in a scene.
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Post by pr1 on Mar 20, 2020 13:37:52 GMT
I saw this scene recently but didn't notice that detail. However, they look really authentic, it is hard to believe they are extras. But then again that might be testimony to the film makers skill. You can't really film people in a street without controlling everyone on set, that means filling the scene with extras. These ones really look the part. The trouble with filming innocent bystanders is that they will gawp at the camera or walk across shot or do something stuped. The fact that they don't do this suggests to me that they are part of a very carefully created set-up. If they were real crooks, for lack of a better term, they don't seem too smart to be so unaware of their surroundings to allow themselves to be filmed however indirectly.
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Post by gustav on Mar 20, 2020 13:50:31 GMT
I saw this scene recently but didn't notice that detail. However, they look really authentic, it is hard to believe they are extras. But then again that might be testimony to the film makers skill. You can't really film people in a street without controlling everyone on set, that means filling the scene with extras. These ones really look the part. The trouble with filming innocent bystanders is that they will gawp at the camera or walk across shot or do something stuped. The fact that they don't do this suggests to me that they are part of a very carefully created set-up. If they were real crooks, for lack of a better term, they don't seem too smart to be so unaware of their surroundings to allow themselves to be filmed however indirectly. That it is a very valid point!
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Post by barrythebook on Mar 21, 2020 1:17:06 GMT
Although it does sometimes spoil a scene there is something very innocent about it and often wonder if people ever saw themselved on screen on some of the biggest shows on TV at the time. There must be people watching these episodes and recognise people they knew pop up randomly in a scene. I think this as well. It must have been quite a surprise for someone to be watching Minder or whatever and see themselves on screen
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Post by pr1 on Mar 21, 2020 1:32:23 GMT
I wonder the same thing sometimes when I watch TV or a movie. This episode is a great example. Did that kid see himself on TV? What did he think?
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Post by jno on Mar 21, 2020 4:54:02 GMT
The camera in the building opposite (aerial view of the cafe) tells me a lot of effort went into this scene. Maybe NickP holds the answer to whether the swindlers in this episode were authentic or not.
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Post by steve74 on May 23, 2020 9:56:43 GMT
Contains one of my very favourite Arthur lines when trying to sell the horse painting to Rory Quinn - "Winner of the 1821 St Ledger, it is a masterpiece, it makes you wanna reach out and give it a sugar lump" - his delivery is pure genius. Yet another brilliant episode with Arthur branching out into the art forgery world. Nice little episode for Terry who gets to know Candy Davis rather well (some guys have all the luck). Leading to a classic Minder scene when Arthur comes round to Terry's place and finds them together "At this hour, and in daylight". Lots to enjoy here. 4 out of 5.
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Post by barrythebook on May 24, 2020 21:55:51 GMT
Contains one of my very favourite Arthur lines when trying to sell the horse painting to Rory Quinn - " it makes you wanna reach out and give it a sugar lump" - his delivery is pure genius. His body language too, standing there with his hand out as if offering said sugar lump . And the fact that he repeats to Quinn what he heard in the gallery about orphic cubism etc. obviously thinking these qualities relate to all aspects of artwork Brilliant!
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Post by BMW on Jun 15, 2020 14:33:26 GMT
Good story but shrieking banshee Monica is thoroughly irritating, to the point that it spoils the episode for me.
A few brilliant moments that have not been mentioned and deserve an airing:
First scene in the strip club, Arthur wanders in, clocks the camp Freddie Mercury Look Alike who fronts him and says ‘yes?’ Arthur looks disgusted and says a firm ‘No‘. Probably wouldn’t get away with that now. Then the barman explains to Arthur that FMLA is the best in the business at training strippers. Arthur’s response is hilarious ‘he’d confuse them on What’s My Line!’
Then while they are talking in the background you hear FMLA telling Candy ‘No, take them out one at a time love...’. That is superb, laugh out load moment.
In the gallery when Arthur tells Sargent that the paintings he shifts are ‘more your people, animals. Not like this rub... er what you have here. Real art.’
Also liked the line when Arthur interrupts Terry’s afternoon in the sack with Candy. ‘At this hour? In broad daylight??’ And then says ‘that’s all I need, a strippers gigolo and a drunken superannuated beatnik’
GC played a blinder in this one, and Candy was lovely, but Monica’s endless screeching was just painful to watch.
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Post by jjmolloy on Jun 15, 2020 21:41:35 GMT
Good story but shrieking banshee Monica is thoroughly irritating, to the point that it spoils the episode for me. A few brilliant moments that have not been mentioned and deserve an airing: First scene in the strip club, Arthur wanders in, clocks the camp Freddie Mercury Look Alike who fronts him and says ‘yes?’ Arthur looks disgusted and says a firm ‘No‘. Probably wouldn’t get away with that now. Then the barman explains to Arthur that FMLA is the best in the business at training strippers. Arthur’s response is hilarious ‘he’d confuse them on What’s My Line!’ Then while they are talking in the background you hear FMLA telling Candy ‘No, take them out one at a time love...’. That is superb, laugh out load moment. In the gallery when Arthur tells Sargent that the paintings he shifts are ‘more your people, animals. Not like this rub... er what you have here. Real art.’ Also liked the line when Arthur interrupts Terry’s afternoon in the sack with Candy. ‘At this hour? In broad daylight??’ And then says ‘that’s all I need, a strippers gigolo and a drunken superannuated beatnik’ GC played a blinder in this one, and Candy was lovely, but Monica’s endless screeching was just painful to watch. We have all met a Monica probably..
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Post by plasticpenguin on Jul 15, 2020 12:59:26 GMT
Watched this episode the other day on ITV4. Just love the way George Sewell was laughing at Terry and Arthur's dialogue. Not sure if that was scripted or not. Either way it looked like he was having fun in this episode.
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Post by efc1985 on May 14, 2021 15:36:40 GMT
Watched this again just now, decent episode but Monica does grate. George Cole produces a tour de force here, when the dealer is inspecting the painting in the flat and goes 'you have a herring here' his response thinking he's talking about a smelly fish is priceless. May be mistaken but when Monica is with Terry in the cafe her hair appears shorter than when in the flat?
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Post by johnnybear on Aug 21, 2021 15:43:38 GMT
Sad that the sexy Candy Davies died a few weeks back! How could such a work of art disappear from the face of the earth? JB
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Post by Albert Wendell on Oct 17, 2021 21:57:38 GMT
I have seen this many times and liked it and after re-watching it again decided that I like it even more and have just voted 'excellent' (making 'good and 'excellent' currently equal) if i'd voted before rewatching I would have voted 'good' that's why I only vote after watching an episode. I constantly find that after seeing a Minder episode again I find it even more enjoyable than previous times, that's a sign of a quality programme.
I also found Monica rather annoying I think it's the actresses voice it just grates, however let's be fair to Patricia Quinn if the character of Monica was meant to be disliked by the viewer maybe to feel sorry for Frank or to be on his side then she did a good job in her part.
Like all previous posters on the thread and no doubt future ones too I thought Candy Davis was amazing in this yes she is gorgeous & very sexy but the short scene with her chatting to Terry gave us a little on her characters personality, airheadish and bimbo but sweet too, in my experience these types of girls are actually really nice and if they open up to you can be good to be around. I would have liked to see Terry & Arthur dropping her off at The New Rockingham Club maybe that part was filmed but cut, anyone have the script they could check? Candy Davis should have returned in a semi main role like Diana Malin had.
With regard to people in the street (as discussed above) purely a guess but I would say the film crew told shop owners, market stall holders etc that they were filming and to just ignore them and carry on as normal.
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Post by jjmolloy on Oct 18, 2021 22:29:24 GMT
Always liked George Sewell in this, nice turn against type, as he always seems to play coppers/authority figures.
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Post by johnnybear on Oct 20, 2021 8:43:46 GMT
The third time at least that George and Dennis have been in a show together! Or is that Frank and Terry? Or Vic and George or even Alan and Frank? JB
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Post by jjmolloy on Oct 20, 2021 15:04:14 GMT
The third time at least that George and Dennis have been in a show together! Or is that Frank and Terry? Or Vic and George or even Alan and Frank? JB Always one of my favourite episodes.
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Post by Barrel on Feb 19, 2022 2:12:35 GMT
Have seen this countless times the last twenty years its a 7.5 out of 10 for me.
I bought a new TV at Christmas and it makes these episodes look 3D as if you're there it really brings the locations to life.I don't know what the technology is called but it's been around for years.
No amount of technology though was going to save my ears from gbh of the bleedin earholes that the Monica character inflicted on them. Her character assasination/rant at Frank was pretty brutal too although for the old duffer the penny finally dropped.George Sewell's performance as a rogue charmer living a bohemian existence bunking on a sofa in some tart's drum is a bit wooden,despite the syrup theres just something missing. It was a bit of a suprise that he turned out to be useful with his fists.I would have thought the bloke he was playing was more a lover than a fighter and not both Regardless he seemed to floor the far bigger far younger bloke twice. While Tel jumping in to break it up... got belted twice by the younger bloke who seemed useless
Yet a short while later when confronted by 2 very tasty pros working for the bookie, Tel was sharp as grease lightning outboxing and battering the better trained blokes. This was a often used plot device...maybe to keep the always likeable Terry from looking a bully which of course he never was. The little exchange at the end when Terry punches one of the art dealers twice in the stomach and says " that wasn't too unpleasant was it" was some nice icing on the cake as was Arthurs new Mercedes
This episode ticks every box except one ( more on that later). You have a good flowing plot,good support characters,evocotive (soho)scenery, Arthur and Terrys humour on good form throughout,we're spoiled for fights too. Add to that great dialogue and it's a very impressive foray into the London art world of the time.
But it doesn't have that exhilirating quality that episodes such as the previous one in season 3 with mike read, or fiddler on the hoof penned by this script writer had.
The street trader extras discussed will for sure be the read deal.A decade later in 1994 I arrived at college a stones throw from the filming location and it was still filled than with spivs and young wideboys selling from suitcases doin a runner when old bill came callin.
Of course I have to mention the stunning Candy Davis. Sad to hear of her death last summer at 59. But glad to read in a different career and life to her early acting years she had gone on to become an international best selling author of 5 critically acclaimed novels a truly celebrated author worldwide.Rest in Peace.
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Post by johnnybear on Feb 19, 2022 8:26:28 GMT
Monica Ramone strutting herself in the club scenes always caught my eye back in 1982 and afterwards! But how did we get to see a sexy stripper cavorting like that, although in the background where as nowadays scenes like that are always cut and never filmed in the same ways? JB
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Post by Barrel on Feb 19, 2022 21:24:00 GMT
It's a good question Johhny.How the hell did they get away with those gratuitous shots of the stripper flashing her arris and showing off her gworge bests?
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Post by johnnybear on Feb 21, 2022 7:42:41 GMT
I'm SO glad they did, Barrel! JB
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Post by jjmolloy on Jul 23, 2022 12:44:26 GMT
Did a double take at the end credits, while I would never claim to be 'woke' I found it (slightly) disconcerting that Candy Davis' role was just listed as 'Stripper' Did anyone call her by her name in the episode? I missed bits of it yesterday so not sure. But it was how it was at the time, so nobody's to blame really, but it is odd that her character doesn't have a name, as she is 'prominent' in the episode (Gawd bless for that) She made the part her own though!
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Post by barrythebook on Jul 23, 2022 17:09:35 GMT
Did a double take at the end credits, while I would never claim to be 'woke' I found it (slightly) disconcerting that Candy Davis' role was just listed as 'Stripper' Did anyone call her by her name in the episode? I missed bits of it yesterday so not sure. But it was how it was at the time, so nobody's to blame really, but it is odd that her character doesn't have a name, as she is 'prominent' in the episode (Gawd bless for that) She made the part her own though! I don't think she was mentioned by name anywhere in the episode. When she barges into Terrys kitchen Arthur says, 'I've seen 'er before aint i?' to which Terry replies, 'Most of her yeah, she works down the club.' but he doesn't refer to her by name which would have been a good a time as any. For me, the sexiest woman to ever have appeared on the show
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Post by steve99 on Jul 23, 2022 17:44:40 GMT
Candy was attractive to say the least and it was a disgrace it was Tel and not me who shared a bed with her. Arthur was perturbed at Terry's shenanigans at that hour of the day. It was broad daylight! Still, they haven't put licensing hours on it, not yet anyway. Had to laugh at Arthur sniffing around when he was informed he had a Herring in his flat. I wonder if the writer based this story on the artist Tom Keating, as he could easily have been an inspiration for Frank. Keating made the news a couple years prior to 'Rembrandt' as he was collared by the Old Bill for forging. Like Frank, Keating was a talented artist who was prone to leaving signs of a 'Sexton Blake' on the paintings he forged. From what Tom Keating said, the view the public has of art galleries not entertaining forgeries is wide of the mark, and at least one gallery representative Keating mentioned sounds very like Paul Gregory's character, in that his eyes lit up at the quality of the fakes. Keating also said bogus paintings could be authenticated by reputable art experts if the price was right. George Sewell's laugh when Terry says Frank could draw a moustache on Arthur and maybe he'd leave the country sounds as if it may be unscripted. Arthur didn't appreciate the comment though. Patricia Quinn had a similar grating voice when she appeared as Larry Lamb's married girlfriend in Fox. Larry's character Joey was a womaniser who, to put it politely, didn't consider the consequences of his actions, and although Joey deserved the ear-bashing it was painful to listen to. The choreographer: "Yes?" Arthur: "No." Arthur was slightly uncomfortable in this scenario but not as much as when the bloke dropped his towel during the search for Confident Clive. The guy said it was his pleasure but I don't think Arthur saw it that way, in more ways than one.
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Post by barrythebook on Jul 23, 2022 21:44:12 GMT
Interesting stuff about Keating steve and some great observations on the episode. Talking of the choreographer, I love his line, 'No, no, take them out one at a time!' Neither he or Candy are in shot but the viewer knows exactly what's going on
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Post by steve99 on Jul 23, 2022 22:26:10 GMT
Yeah, can't see anything erotic about Candy taking her shoes off and you wonder why they didn't show that.
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