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Post by jno on Mar 18, 2020 18:09:22 GMT
This episode now carries the grave warning on the Sky programme guide: "Contains extended sequence of boxing match". Shocking content alert in 2020, incredible.
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Post by pr1 on Mar 18, 2020 19:50:27 GMT
This episode now carries the grave warning on the Sky programme guide: "Contains extended sequence of boxing match". What do they put on the episodes with Terry having fistfights?
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Post by harryshand on Jun 10, 2020 14:47:47 GMT
Bit of a filler episode this, okay but nothing memorable. For some reason this is S2 ep4 on my Clearvision DVDs. A lot of Bull is S2 Ep 13.
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Post by westminster on Nov 12, 2020 17:02:11 GMT
I think I've seen every episode of the Terry years multiple times over the years but I watched Willie Boy this afternoon and it struck me that I haven't seen it in donkey's years.
A decent episode, in my opinion. But I'm biased because I'm a boxing fan - although, having said that, it's pretty obvious that Paul Barber can't box for toffee!
Good to have Alfred Marks in this episode - top character actor I always thought, a good choice for Willie's manager. Obviously nice to see Vickie Micelle too. I'd forgotten she was in Minder.
A strong performance from Dennis Waterman in this episode, I thought. Very much a 'Terry episode' rather than an Arthur one. Interesting to see Arthur in a Rover rather than the Jag though, that's something else that had slipped my mind, although Arthur Daley does actually drive a Rover in Leon Griffiths' novel.
One thing that did throw me though was the boxer Jack Straw. I kept thinking of the former Labour Home Secretary Jack Straw every time the name was mentioned!
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Post by joshmel on Nov 12, 2020 17:03:37 GMT
What impressed me most about this is the performance of Paul Barber. He really commands the character Wille “the mouth” and has plenty screen time. It makes you wonder how his career maybe didn’t reach the heights you might have expected after such a strong outing here. As has been mentioned he was somewhat typecast by only fools and horses and has still forged a solid career but I beileve his talents merited more diverse roles
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Post by c79 on Nov 12, 2020 17:04:04 GMT
Good but not brilliant. Its saving grace is the convincing passion from Terry against fixing and wasted talent. Very good from DW.
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Post by ramone on Nov 16, 2020 10:30:28 GMT
Watched this over the weekend, enjoyed the scene in the nightclub particularly the dreadful dancing, reminded me of myself 😊
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Post by barrythebook on Nov 16, 2020 21:18:15 GMT
Watched this over the weekend, enjoyed the scene in the nightclub particularly the dreadful dancing That scene is cringeworthy to watch. Some of the dancing, I use the term loosely, is so wooden and the music is like something you'd hear over the speaker system at a supermarket.
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Post by nationalpelmet on Dec 6, 2020 23:27:28 GMT
“It’s business my son, dog eat cat”. Brilliant line 😂 Love the scene where Terry has the outburst after being given the elbow and the bit after out on the pavement with Arthur. And what about when Arth gets all brave in Winchester and up ends mateys pint down his shirt !!
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Post by efc1985 on May 7, 2021 20:12:59 GMT
Decent episode this, apart from the dreadful nightclub scene. Always felt Paul Barber's role was based on John Conteh, of my parish who was World Light Heavyweight champion in the mid-1970s. Conteh was not averse to the odd nightclub fracas.
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Post by jno on May 13, 2021 17:29:38 GMT
Decent episode this, apart from the dreadful nightclub scene. Always felt Paul Barber's role was based on John Conteh, of my parish who was World Light Heavyweight champion in the mid-1970s. Conteh was not averse to the odd nightclub fracas. Like this?
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Post by westminster on May 14, 2021 11:41:13 GMT
Decent episode this, apart from the dreadful nightclub scene. Always felt Paul Barber's role was based on John Conteh, of my parish who was World Light Heavyweight champion in the mid-1970s. Conteh was not averse to the odd nightclub fracas. Yes, I think John Conteh must have been the reference point for this episode. The storyline and choice of Paul Barber as Willie Boy, a Black/mixed-race Scouser, both being clear links to Conteh. John Conteh, by the way, must have been one of the (if not the) most talented boxers the UK has ever produced. He had a relatively brief prime - due, not least, to his taste for the nightlife - but the young Conteh really had it all as a fighter. Boxing's George Best in a way, wasted talented, etc.
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Post by bigaitch on Jun 17, 2021 18:39:13 GMT
Very average episode I thought. I just did not really enjoy it other than for a few one liners, and an appearance from Vicky Michelle.
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Post by steve99 on Jun 17, 2021 19:29:16 GMT
I'm a bit upset by comments about the dancing in the nightclub as I do similar hot moves when strutting around the dancefloor like Anton Du Beke. Or I usually just sit at a table having a beer or two and let the women in the company get on with it. Not one of the top episodes this but Alfred Marks is good as the dodgy manager, asking Arthur to name his price and handing him a nice cigar, which Arthur doesn't seem keen on for some reason. I also like the scenes in the Winchester - ain't you a bit old to believe all that Hollywood garbage? - and Arthur pretending to wave the smoke away to turn the telly on. It was never made totally clear though whether the T-shirt message referred to the lasses liking one or both.
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Post by kelotoph on Aug 22, 2021 15:06:51 GMT
I think that this was an average episode in terms of plot and entertainment values and given my complete apathy for the sport of boxing it didn't really have me spellbound. Adding nothing to the plot but plenty to the aesthetics were Vicki Michelle and Mandy Perryment and I swear that there was a cameo from Pat Coombes as a ringside reporter, but it may just have been a lookalike. Paul Barber gives a reliable performance, as ever.
Not an episode I'll be hurrying back to, but watchable nonetheless.
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Post by coyote on Feb 4, 2022 14:13:28 GMT
One I'd never warmed to in the past but I liked it more when I saw it again yesterday - it's got some really good elements as well as the very obviously naff ones. A story I like about Jackie Collins that I read years and years ago: When she was going on 'Wogan' in the late 1980s the researcher went through the sample interview questions beforehand and of course there were the usual ones about sister Joan who was massive in 'Dynasty' at the time. Jackie must had got well fed up of answering this type of thing and apparently told the researcher to tell Terry that "if he doesn't mention my sister, I won't mention his wig". Class
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Post by metro1962 on Mar 19, 2023 0:26:02 GMT
Good episode and seemed to me this had more to do with John Conteh than Ali imo but can see the similarities.👍
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Post by pr1 on Jun 5, 2023 1:55:26 GMT
Watched this for the fourth time tonight. I just don’t care much for this episode. It was nice to be reminded of Arthur smoking the Japanese cigar. That was funny.
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Post by ontheslate on Jun 5, 2023 6:16:43 GMT
I’m the same Pr1 wasn’t a bad episode because I don’t think minder has any bad episodes, but just didn’t work for me marked it as average.
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Post by westminster on Jun 6, 2023 11:13:37 GMT
Good episode and seemed to me this had more to do with John Conteh than Ali imo but can see the similarities.👍 I think Willie Boy is based on John Conteh who was big star in the late-70s and early-80s - drinking, partying, womanising and, of course, a Black/mixed-race Scouser like Willie Boy. Conteh was a world champion but he was also a wasted talent in many ways because his time at the top was shorter than it should have been. He was a really talented boxer, John Conteh - really talented, smooth as silk but with a nasty streak as well. It's a pity he's perhaps most remembered as hell raiser rather than a boxer. He was a great fighter, but ultimately an underachiever, boxing's George Best.
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Post by simon316 on Oct 11, 2023 19:01:32 GMT
It's a fine episode, very well put together on the whole, I felt, by Euston. I've always liked it loads, but I do also feel less compulsion to rewatch it, at least frequently, less so than other series 2 episodes...but I enjoyed this viewing today. - It's written by one Paul Wheeler, and the other episodes of Minder he's credited with are all fun episodes, too.
- We start with a rare guest appearance of a celebrity playing themselves..not sure how many other exist.
- I liked the character of the Mersey Mouth, cheesy as that name sounds. I found it interesting seeing how such a public figure is actually not who he seems, having to psyche himself up, & "get in character" before an appearance.
- Although not liked by many here, I did not mind the sparring scenes, and while it was not as prominent as in Rocky Eight And A Half, Waterman's boxing experience seems to have helped him some here.
- DAAAAAAAAYO.....daaaaaaaayo. Someone had to say it.
- Terry's speech to Arthur in the Winch is one of his better ones in the series, I reckon.
- I too enjoyed hearing the theme tune, as used in the training scenes. Also, the bird Willie chases in the park.
- I like WILLIE...all in capitals, so that it looks less like a bloke's name..very smart, indeed.
- Vicki Michelle, two years prior Allo Allo, is fine here and all. Particularly liked the cute way she asked Willie if he'd seen her shoe. Out of interest, anyone have any idea what the music was in that scene, with Willie and Terry, and then Vicki's character entering?
- The blonde accompanying Vicki Michelle, Mandy Perryment I believe, was fine as well. And as mentioned on the episode page, Imogen Bickford-Smith is still probably more recognisable as Nicky Henson's girlfriend in Fawlty Towers' The Psychiatrist.
- I do not believe I have seen Tania Rogers in anything else other than this..but she was fine, believable as the boxer's wife throughout.
- The character of the promoter, Bernie Mathers was suitably played. The more I felt he'd be given time on screen, the more reprehensible we'd think him to be.
- I was sure I had posted this point once, but never mind; the scene where Willie clocks Mathers and his bearded mate in the middle of the bout, and recalls Tel's words, was great, clearly meant to be the turning point in the fight.
- Arthur contradicts himself in this, having told Terry in National Pelmet to go with his instincts when betting.
- Arthur trying to "accidentally" turn on the telly at the end is great. So are the shots of the victorious Willie.
the idea of Terry befriending and mentoring another boxer is very believable imo. Yes, I agree there. Yes, I could see what you meant there, jno..good video, rip. Yeah..his manhandling of The Ferret in the pokey sticks out in the mind, as well. A great synopsis by Denzel and not much I could add to it, Unlike others, I hugely prefer the later funnier episodes than the gritty early ones - I just thought the level of delivery of comedic scripts was better than the meatier episodes though they are two side to same coin. I liked this for most of the reasons above. A great idea (for its time - remember the chat show is history, now more or less and I too thought of how an actor would play the hype of a character to whom he has on just taken on. Paul Barber played this just right and to his credit, I thought he was great.
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Post by spacecadet on Mar 22, 2024 10:36:12 GMT
TV Times snippet
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Post by metro1962 on Mar 22, 2024 20:09:50 GMT
When they came up with the title of this episode which is a play on the 1969 film and all they did was put the word 'Don't' in front of the title....normally they would do a lot more to it,which is unusual?
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