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Post by daz on Apr 4, 2018 19:21:38 GMT
Watched again tonight and what a cracker of an episode it was. I wonder in the first series they weren't too sure which way to take the series and this seemed a very dramatic episode compared to what we know what it become.
Always think having Roy Kinnear in the episode was a bit of a waste. He was good, but a talent like his deserved a bigger role.
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Post by pr1 on Apr 5, 2018 0:05:58 GMT
Watched again tonight and what a cracker of an episode it was. I wonder in the first series they weren't too sure which way to take the series and this seemed a very dramatic episode compared to what we know what it become. Always think having Roy Kinnear in the episode was a bit of a waste. He was good, but a talent like his deserved a bigger role. Good point on Kinnear. I wonder if he did the episode as favor to someone or maybe he was a last minute replacement for whatever reason. Or a combination of the two.
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Post by thewoodster on Jul 9, 2018 8:30:21 GMT
One of my favourites from that series.
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Post by jno on Aug 6, 2018 5:44:51 GMT
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Post by daz on Jul 12, 2019 17:50:47 GMT
I often wonder with Kinnear and his role in this, was that could he have been offered another role in the series, but couldn't do it due to prior filming commitments, but said he would like to appear in the series?
Just a thought as he seemed an actor who could easily have fitted into Minder with a recurring role as he played that slightly dodgy, working class London geezer type roles to perfection.
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Post by dcjones1 on Jul 12, 2019 22:49:02 GMT
I often wonder with Kinnear and his role in this, was that could he have been offered another role in the series, but couldn't do it due to prior filming commitments, but said he would like to appear in the series? Just a thought as he seemed an actor who could easily have fitted into Minder with a recurring role as he played that slightly dodgy, working class London geezer type roles to perfection. He appeared in Series 7 ‘It’s a Sorry Lorry Morrie’ as Fat Charlie. Sadly it was his last TV role.
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Post by Twin2 on Sept 20, 2019 5:34:27 GMT
Watched this episode again yesterday and the bit where Arthur tells Terry he can have his watch never fails to make me laugh out loud. Love it!
I also spotted the "passer by" mentioned above. Might be just me but even if he was an extra, stopping to look when a dog was barking at two blokes talking to a woman on a doorstep is quite natural even if the start-stop-start again way he sets off is a bit disjointed.
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Post by barrythebook on Sept 22, 2019 15:49:27 GMT
I also spotted the "passer by" mentioned above. Might be just me but even if he was an extra, stopping to look when a dog was barking at two blokes talking to a woman on a doorstep is quite natural even if the start-stop-start again way he sets off is a bit disjointed. Will we ever get to the truth of this? I agree with you about the way he starts to walk again, it doesn't look natural.
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Post by VAT on Nov 1, 2019 16:39:01 GMT
Watching it again Umbrella style so has the ad breaks...is this the only episode that has the non-Minder theme music start the the ad breaks? (coming back in after the ads is the normal Minder tune)?
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Post by jno on Nov 1, 2019 18:16:50 GMT
Watching it again Umbrella style so has the ad breaks...is this the only episode that has the non-Minder theme music start the the ad breaks? (coming back in after the ads is the normal Minder tune)? Ray Daley years I think also has a few but I'm struggling with other Terry eps.
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Post by harryshand on Jun 8, 2020 15:45:27 GMT
Minder double header today to finish series 1. This is a cracker of an episode, GC plays drunk and exhausted brilliantly. Great end to the series.
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Post by joshmel on Oct 20, 2020 20:46:00 GMT
George baker is class in this. A strapping bloke you wouldn’t want to mess as proved with his intimidation tactics used at his mansion when he is working out.. I have given this episode a rating of excellent because of its classic minder elements of comedy, locations used and the nemesis Bobby Altman!
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Post by joshmel on Oct 20, 2020 20:51:16 GMT
I often wonder with Kinnear and his role in this, was that could he have been offered another role in the series, but couldn't do it due to prior filming commitments, but said he would like to appear in the series? Just a thought as he seemed an actor who could easily have fitted into Minder with a recurring role as he played that slightly dodgy, working class London geezer type roles to perfection. interesting point I have wondered how the guest actors were cast was it because minder was such a big hit in the 80s did household names request to appear in the show for more credibility or were they usually hand picked by the producers for specific roles?
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Post by jno on Oct 21, 2020 2:45:29 GMT
I often wonder with Kinnear and his role in this, was that could he have been offered another role in the series, but couldn't do it due to prior filming commitments, but said he would like to appear in the series? Just a thought as he seemed an actor who could easily have fitted into Minder with a recurring role as he played that slightly dodgy, working class London geezer type roles to perfection. interesting point I have wondered how the guest actors were cast was it because minder was such a big hit in the 80s did household names request to appear in the show for more credibility or were they usually hand picked by the producers for specific roles? I'm not sure they requested, rather it was offered via agent/casting. Glynn Edwards told me by series 7, because the show was very popular, it was never an issue getting actors. Like he says in his interview online "everyone wanted to be in it".
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Post by gustav on Nov 10, 2020 10:33:39 GMT
Saw this on ITV 4, another one I have never seen before. Really enjoyed it. As everyone says a different vibe to it, George Baker is excellent as the dangerous Altman, helped along by an unusually sinister soundtrack. But everyone is good in it, even if Roy Kinnear is strangely underused as everyone observes. I had never read the comments or the episode details before so I didn't know about the issue of the man in the background of the scene on the doorstep. I didn't notice it at all at the time to be honest. I might get the DVD out to watch it again but I would be 100% sure that someone walking across a shot like that would be an extra being given direction. But an excellent episode.
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Post by arthurdaley on Nov 11, 2020 11:09:32 GMT
Terrys' Capri changes mid journey towards the the end of this episode. I wonder whether this was due to the enormous whack it gave the kerb just before the Granada overturns? It certainly looked as if it would have done some damage.
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Post by coyote on Nov 12, 2020 20:53:26 GMT
When Terry is in the Winchester with Lady Ingrave, he's on the phone, obviously talking about Arthur, and says, "...and he didnt leave a message for me? I'll hang around here, he'll probably show up." Who would Terry have been talking to? 'Er indoors. Must be. Bobby Altman is indeed a nutter but he's right about Arthur being "two bob". Unusual to see Arthur getting a slap as well. The style of this for me is closer some Sweeney episodes than any of the previous or even subsequent episodes of 'Minder', especially the scene with Terry and "Duchess" in the garish S1 Winchester. Some of the nastiest villains were the ones who'd made it big, presumably because of what they had to do to get there from where they started. Enjoyed it but as jno says it's bleak and the continuity error with the Capri is indeed blindingly obvious. Rather like they probably used an older Granada, I wonder whether this second Capri is a stunt car in case something went wrong with the Granada stunt and it got damaged? Or maybe even one fitted with more crash protection and because it was all shot out of sequence someone forgot to change the plates on one of the cars.
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Post by nationalpelmet on Nov 28, 2020 20:40:21 GMT
The scenes at the end start off a bit comical but really turn a bit sinister when poor old Arth is being made to go running. Love the bit at the end, despite everything they are the best of mates. Shame Terry didn’t get to dish out a bit of retribution to the heavies but as one of them was told “leave it out, he’ll slaughter you” !!
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Post by kettle on Apr 2, 2021 1:00:49 GMT
The scene with Terry running the Granada off the road seems very similar to the 1979 movie 'Mad Max'.
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Post by bigaitch on Apr 12, 2021 20:10:40 GMT
Cracking episode with some great casting and a good story line, and of course Terry knocking Altman to the ground. I agree re the use of Roy Kinnear. His part in this was small and he could have been a regular member of the Winchester clientele and would have been great for it. I can’t help but think Chisholm or Rycott would have been better as the cop involved although I think this is before their time save for Patrick Malahides appearance in the very first episode.
Very enjoyable though.
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Post by McCann on Apr 12, 2021 21:25:32 GMT
Cracking episode with some great casting and a good story line, and of course Terry knocking Altman to the ground. I agree re the use of Roy Kinnear. His part in this was small and he could have been a regular member of the Winchester clientele and would have been great for it. I can’t help but think Chisholm or Rycott would have been better as the cop involved although I think this is before their time save for Patrick Malahides appearance in the very first episode. Very enjoyable though. Remember Rycott made his debut with a significant role in Episode 3 'The smaller they are'
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Post by steve74 on Jul 25, 2021 21:43:04 GMT
A different feel to this episode with a much more serious tone but that's not a criticism, it works very well. There is a much more realistic feel to 'You Gotta Have Friends' - a body fished out of the water, an exhausted Arthur being forced to run within an inch of his life - he even gets a smack in this episode. The acting is first rate by all - George Baker plays Altman a gangster who wants his £70,000 back and believes Arthur knows exactly where it is, fortunately Terry plays detective and comes through to save the day. It's tense stuff helped by a great cast, Baker makes for a very convincing gangster. If you are in the mood for a more serious Minder episode then series one has plenty of good ones to choose from, including this. 4 out of 5.
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Post by mdc on Aug 8, 2021 15:12:29 GMT
This is my first post on the forum, so apologies if the following is blindingly obvious!
I watched this episode, thoroughly enjoyed it and agree with other contributors that it has a very darker “feel” to typical Minder escapades. This may be because the plot (to my mind) is almost a straight lift from Raymond Chandler’s 1953 novel “the Long Goodbye”, and even more so from Robert Altman’s 1974 film adaptation of the novel.
Chandler’s protagonist is Private eye Philip Marlowe, who gets a visit in the middle of the night from an old friend (Terry Lennox) bruised and cut from a fight, who needs an urgent, no questions asked lift out of LA. Marlowe obliges, but on returning home after dropping his friend (Terry Lennox) off at a small Mexican airfield, is hauled in by the cops for assisting the getaway of a murder suspect. Imprisoned and released after admitting nothing, Marlowe is then collared by a local crime boss (obsessed by fitness) for whom Lennox ran money. He reveals that Lennox disappeared with a substantial sum of his , and believes Marlowe was in on the job; he demands return of the money or else.
Marlowe then becomes involved with a wealthy attractive woman who knew Lennox; while he’s trying to figure out what’s going on, news comes through of Lennox’s apparent suicide in Mexico, and the missing money turns up at the mobster’s.
The plot then takes other twists, which I won't reveal. But similar or what?
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Post by mdc on Aug 8, 2021 15:14:38 GMT
And another thing just struck me - was calling he George Baker character "Altman" Leon Griffith's sly nod to the film director ?
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Post by jjmolloy on Aug 8, 2021 15:42:01 GMT
And anothe rthing just struck me - was calling he George Baker character "Altman" Leon Griffith's sly nod to the film director ? It does all seem too much of a coincidence to be just random.
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Post by barrythebook on Aug 8, 2021 16:19:35 GMT
This is my first post on the forum, so apologies if the following is blindingly obvious! I watched this episode, thoroughly enjoyed it and agree with other contributors that it has a very darker “feel” to typical Minder escapades. This may be because the plot (to my mind) is almost a straight lift from Raymond Chandler’s 1953 novel “the Long Goodbye”, and even more so from Robert Altman’s 1974 film adaptation of the novel. Chandler’s protagonist is Private eye Philip Marlowe, who gets a visit in the middle of the night from an old friend (Terry Lennox) bruised and cut from a fight, who needs an urgent, no questions asked lift out of LA. Marlowe obliges, but on returning home after dropping his friend (Terry Lennox) off at a small Mexican airfield, is hauled in by the cops for assisting the getaway of a murder suspect. Imprisoned and released after admitting nothing, Marlowe is then collared by a local crime boss (obsessed by fitness) for whom Lennox ran money. He reveals that Lennox disappeared with a substantial sum of his , and believes Marlowe was in on the job; he demands return of the money or else. Marlowe then becomes involved with a wealthy attractive woman who knew Lennox; while he’s trying to figure out what’s going on, news comes through of Lennox’s apparent suicide in Mexico, and the missing money turns up at the mobster’s. The plot then takes other twists, which I won't reveal. But similar or what? Very good points there mdc, there's got to be some influence on the episode from 'The Long Goodbye' going by what you say. I've got the 1970s film starring Elliot Gould here but have never got around to watching it , your post is the kick up the 'aris I need to watch it and make comparisons. Great first post btw - keep them coming
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 18:48:09 GMT
Some very compelling observations there, mdc.
I'm in the opposite situation to barrythebook. I watched the Altman film only a couple of months ago, but it's been over ten years since I saw this Minder episode. So he needs to watch the film and I need to watch Minder!
You piqued my interest with your comments so I'll try to watch Ep.11 one night this week.
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Post by logie on Aug 11, 2021 10:03:37 GMT
Straight in with a bullet of a post there, mdc; sounds like a carbon copy of the plot to me. I’ll have to check out the film in due course, I think I saw it years ago but can’t remember much about it.
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Post by ltd on Mar 15, 2022 9:19:07 GMT
George baker is class in this. A strapping bloke you wouldn’t want to mess as proved with his intimidation tactics used at his mansion when he is working out.. He gives a brilliantly barking mad performance here, one moment completely rational, the next flying right off the handle. His displeasure at being thought on a par with "some nasty little South London team" (presumably the Richardsons) is wonderful to behold.
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Post by joshmel on Mar 15, 2022 11:06:49 GMT
Giving a whole new meaning to the phrase a Baker’s Dozen. Wouldn’t want a right hook from him
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