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Post by pr1 on Jul 9, 2017 14:33:15 GMT
"I'm not asking you to go and shoot the geezer! All I want is a little friendly retribution!" A great line from Arthur when he and Terry are arguing in the lock up.
I just watched this for the second time this morning and enjoyed it just as much this time. It's one of my favorites. There are some things about this episode that give me the impression this was either made early in production or there was little rewriting of the script. To me it feels like a much earlier episode than it's broadcast place.
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Post by barrythebook on Jul 9, 2017 20:27:34 GMT
I know what you mean pr, this and the other earlier episodes are a little rough around the edges but that's all part of the charm i think. Adds a certain something.
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Post by daz on Apr 4, 2018 6:04:12 GMT
Dug the boxset out last night and ended up watching this in error, but still very enjoyable.
I still find it hard to believe that Arthur would splash out £120, on a dress on a lass he had known mere minutes, but I suppose watching 40 years after filming forms this impression as we know how Arthur turns out, whereas in 79 his character was very much in its infancy.
Hard to believe we are coming up to its 40th anniversary.
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Post by thewoodster on Apr 5, 2018 20:55:45 GMT
You're right daz, the big 40 next year...time flies.
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Post by barrythebook on Apr 9, 2018 20:01:09 GMT
I still find it hard to believe that Arthur would splash out £120, on a dress on a lass he had known mere minutes £120 was an awful lot for Arthur to part with. Was he after getting his wicked way or did he genuinely think he was making an investment in a 'singer' and would easily see his money back when she hit the bigtime?
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Post by thewoodster on Apr 10, 2018 12:16:56 GMT
It does give the impression that he had a soft spot for her, however towards the end he came to his senses..lol
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Post by paulgl79 on Apr 13, 2018 15:18:52 GMT
I did enjoy Arthur coming across as a bit of a ladies man in this episode, maybe a bit of a flashback to his younger days .
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Post by artyboy1973 on Aug 10, 2018 9:49:27 GMT
Just to say that this episode aired today on ITV 4 and the Jimmy Saville line that Arthur says was kept in. Obviously fell through the censors net It looks like ITV 4 have removed the Jimmy Saville line on their recent repeat showing of Monday night fever which was shown yesterday afternoon and this morning.
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Post by gustav on Aug 11, 2018 13:48:42 GMT
Caught the end of this on ITV4 the other day and realised that it is one of the episodes I have never actually seen, which is a real joy in fact. Watched on the ITV Hub (I have not got round to watching my dvds for some reason, which would really make more sense) but I thought it was a fantastic episode. Really enjoyed it. More menace than usual, Arthur has a slightly different focus as is pointed out but a fine script and excellent performances all round. Excellent.
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Post by gustav on Aug 11, 2018 13:55:04 GMT
Another thought. I was sure that the person in the pub with Sharon when we first see her was Malcolm McFee of 'Please Sir!' fame and one very funny episode of 'The Sweeney'. But presumably he is the character named as Alan and played by Richard Hunter? I was certain it was Malcolm McFee. They look identical to me.
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Post by johnnybear on Oct 8, 2018 19:24:15 GMT
When I first saw this episode I was sure that Brian Croucher was going to get a spanking from Tel! JB
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Post by jno on Nov 1, 2018 4:53:13 GMT
When I first saw this episode I was sure that Brian Croucher was going to get a spanking from Tel! JB I think that is one thing this episode lacks. If anyone deserved a smack, it was 'Big John' getting what he deserved from our Terry.
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Post by johnnybear on Nov 1, 2018 7:48:46 GMT
Indeedy, jno! JB
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Post by barrythebook on Jan 20, 2019 14:12:35 GMT
Monday Night Fever.
Finally, it is probably also worth noting that this episode sees the introduction of Terry's air hostess girl, Penny (Gennie Nevinson). It's the first time we see Penny. Arthur talks to Terry as if he'd met her before but gets her hair colour wrong and so does Terry.. When Terry and Arthur are sitting in the Winchester prior to Sharons appearance at The Music Room, Arthur is trying to persuade Terry to come with him for support. Terry explains that he has a date for the evening and once Arthur realises it's Penny he says rather offishly, "Oh not the little blonde job?", to which Terry replies "Yes." Penny is obviously dark haired so presumably they both had a memory lapse.
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Post by Twin2 on Oct 23, 2019 7:44:56 GMT
Just watched this episode and enjoyed it as always - apart from the bit where Arthur is all over Sharon in the car as he just looked like a dirty old man. Some really funny lines though and she sings as well as I do!
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Post by barrythebook on Oct 23, 2019 20:17:38 GMT
Just watched this episode and enjoyed it as always - apart from the bit where Arthur is all over Sharon in the car as he just looked like a dirty old man. Some really funny lines though and she sings as well as I do! Arthur did look a bit desperate didn't he. I don't recall him being like this in any other episode. He usually assumes the fairer sex are going to stand in the way of him making a few quid so disregards them. There are a couple of exceptions like the mention of "Sexy South with the huge..." and eyeing up the young sort in the Winchester during 'The Smaller They Are' but as you say t2, Arthur slobbering all over Sharon in this one didn't fit.
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Post by jjmolloy on Oct 24, 2019 0:06:56 GMT
Just watched this episode and enjoyed it as always - apart from the bit where Arthur is all over Sharon in the car as he just looked like a dirty old man. Some really funny lines though and she sings as well as I do! Arthur did look a bit desperate didn't he. I don't recall him being like this in any other episode. He usually assumes the fairer sex are going to stand in the way of him making a few quid so disregards them. There are a couple of exceptions like the mention of "Sexy South with the huge..." and eyeing up the young sort in the Winchester during 'The Smaller They Are' but as you say t2, Arthur slobbering all over Sharon in this one didn't fit. I'm glad as the series went on the Arthur's skirt chasing was dropped quite quickly to the point where he became very puritanical! It provided for many priceless scenes where he was shocked when finding Terry and Ray 'entertaining' attractive young ladies. A good call from whoever decided it was much better that Arthur react this way.
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Post by jno on Oct 24, 2019 6:41:22 GMT
I think that's fair jj - however, Arthur must have been a bit promiscuous as a young adult male I am sure, so it is nice to see this bubbling under the surface in the early episodes at least.
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Post by pr1 on Dec 16, 2019 0:31:26 GMT
When Arthur is trying to impress Sharon he mentions Jimmy Savile. That name really jumps out. Watching the early episodes it's odd to see Arthur womanizing. I'm glad that aspect of the character was droppped because it doesn't seem to suit him. I like it better when he is nterested in a good looking woman but is too scared of 'Er Indoors to do anything about it.
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Post by Twin2 on Feb 21, 2020 15:53:20 GMT
Bit of sewing and Monday Night Fever? Don't mind if I do!
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Post by harryshand on Jun 4, 2020 15:09:57 GMT
Today's final Minder and a very good episode but watching straight after T-64 it doesn't quite live up. Mad Vic is another great character.
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Post by harryshand on Jun 4, 2020 15:18:20 GMT
I still find it hard to believe that Arthur would splash out £120, on a dress on a lass he had known mere minutes £120 was an awful lot for Arthur to part with. Was he after getting his wicked way or did he genuinely think he was making an investment in a 'singer' and would easily see his money back when she hit the bigtime? I found that bit stretching the boundaries of belief that Arthur would shell out that much on a dress. Add that to the £200 he didn't recover from the club and this has to be one of Arthur's worst deals. Certainly wasn't thinking upstairs when it came to Sharon.
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Post by westminster on Jun 4, 2020 16:50:07 GMT
Arthur did look a bit desperate didn't he. I don't recall him being like this in any other episode. He usually assumes the fairer sex are going to stand in the way of him making a few quid so disregards them. There are a couple of exceptions like the mention of "Sexy South with the huge..." and eyeing up the young sort in the Winchester during 'The Smaller They Are' but as you say t2, Arthur slobbering all over Sharon in this one didn't fit. I'm glad as the series went on the Arthur's skirt chasing was dropped quite quickly to the point where he became very puritanical! It provided for many priceless scenes where he was shocked when finding Terry and Ray 'entertaining' attractive young ladies. A good call from whoever decided it was much better that Arthur react this way. I agree. I don't like Arthur as a dirty old man. He was, however, a bit like that in Leon Griffiths' Minder novel that was published before the show aired so its probably no surprise he comes over as a would-be womaniser in some of the early episodes. Personally, I prefer the more prudish Arthur we see in later series.
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Post by harryshand on Jun 4, 2020 18:38:22 GMT
Just doesn’t feel like typical Arthur. Would make the character harder to like if he behaved like this throughout. The prudish Arthur is a perfect character trait as we saw in the previous episode with Debbie in the buff at the window. Absolute classic Daley reaction.
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Post by winchesterclub on Jun 4, 2020 18:52:24 GMT
And if Arthur had been still a ladies man with Debbie in the buff, the reaction would of been more "Go on Terry my son' more Jack Harper than Arthur Daley ! and from an acting/character point the scene would of died with no need to watch how George reacts and acts his way through seeing her... ( blimey Winch that's pretty deep )
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Post by westminster on Oct 11, 2020 10:11:10 GMT
I watched Monday Night Fever last night but somehow came away feeling a bit disappointed and confused.
One one hand, I've always said I've preferred the earlier series, largely on the basis that they're much closer to Leon Griffiths' original conception of Minder. But now I'm having a bit of a rethink.
Somehow, I found the idea of Arthur as a womaniser chasing young birds and crashing on Terry's couch a bit off putting. On reflection, I much prefer the prudish Arthur with Terry as head 'bird bandit'.
Which leads me to another point: I've never really bought into Penny as Terry's girlfriend. To me, she just comes over as being too middle class for him. I'm much more comfortable seeing Terry with Debbie. A man in Terry's line of work would be more likely to be knocking off a stripper than a (frankly, quite prim) air hostess. Plus, I think Debbie does the whole 'tart with a heart' thing very well.
Then I think the story line goes a bit off beam at the end. Terry refusing to go round and lean on the guy at the club, and then Arthur getting Vic Pinner in, didn't quite work for me. I'd have much preferred Terry to have gone and sorted it out and given Big John what he deserved. There was clear tension between Terry and Big John earlier in the episode and John was an obvious bully so it was a bit disappointing that he didn't get his comeuppance. So I think that was a missed opportunity really.
On the plus side, there were, as others have said, some great one liners, especially the "caravaning on Canvey Island" line, and do like that M-reg Jag. It's my favourite motor for Arthur. Dave does well in his brief appearances and I love some of Arthur's patter - 'schtum', 'kosher', 'schmuck', all that old-school cockney-yiddish stuff you don't hear anymore.
All in all though, I'm a bit disappointed with this episode.
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Post by daz on Oct 11, 2020 12:32:54 GMT
I watched Monday Night Fever last night but somehow came away feeling a bit disappointed and confused. One one hand, I've always said I've preferred the earlier series, largely on the basis that they're much closer to Leon Griffiths' original conception of Minder. But now I'm having a bit of a rethink. Somehow, I found the idea of Arthur as a womaniser chasing young birds and crashing on Terry's couch a bit off putting. On reflection, I much prefer the prudish Arthur with Terry as head 'bird bandit'. Which leads me to another point: I've never really bought into Penny as Terry's girlfriend. To me, she just comes over as being too middle class for him. I'm much more comfortable seeing Terry with Debbie. A man in Terry's line of work would be more likely to be knocking off a stripper than a (frankly, quite prim) air hostess. Plus, I think Debbie does the whole 'tart with a heart' thing very well. Then I think the story line goes a bit off beam at the end. Terry refusing to go round and lean on the guy at the club, and then Arthur getting Vic Pinner in, didn't quite work for me. I'd have much preferred Terry to have gone and sorted it out and given Big John what he deserved. There was clear tension between Terry and Big John earlier in the episode and John was an obvious bully so it was a bit disappointing that he didn't get his comeuppance. So I think that was a missed opportunity really. On the plus side, there were, as others have said, some great one liners, especially the "caravaning on Canvey Island" line, and do like that M-reg Jag. It's my favourite motor for Arthur. Dave does well in his brief appearances and I love some of Arthur's patter - 'schtum', 'kosher', 'schmuck', all that old-school cockney-yiddish stuff you don't hear anymore. All in all though, I'm a bit disappointed with this episode. I think Terry could easily have moved on with his life with a girl like Penny, she could have been the making of him, but sadly being a TV series Terry couldn't become domesticated as was not his role. It would have been really good though if we could have seen Terry back for an episode in the Ray years just so we knew what had really become if it. Minder wouldn't have worked nearly as well if Arthur was chasing females as well as Terry, would have spoiled the dynamics of their pairing.
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Post by westminster on Oct 12, 2020 8:18:36 GMT
I watched Monday Night Fever last night but somehow came away feeling a bit disappointed and confused. One one hand, I've always said I've preferred the earlier series, largely on the basis that they're much closer to Leon Griffiths' original conception of Minder. But now I'm having a bit of a rethink. Somehow, I found the idea of Arthur as a womaniser chasing young birds and crashing on Terry's couch a bit off putting. On reflection, I much prefer the prudish Arthur with Terry as head 'bird bandit'. Which leads me to another point: I've never really bought into Penny as Terry's girlfriend. To me, she just comes over as being too middle class for him. I'm much more comfortable seeing Terry with Debbie. A man in Terry's line of work would be more likely to be knocking off a stripper than a (frankly, quite prim) air hostess. Plus, I think Debbie does the whole 'tart with a heart' thing very well. Then I think the story line goes a bit off beam at the end. Terry refusing to go round and lean on the guy at the club, and then Arthur getting Vic Pinner in, didn't quite work for me. I'd have much preferred Terry to have gone and sorted it out and given Big John what he deserved. There was clear tension between Terry and Big John earlier in the episode and John was an obvious bully so it was a bit disappointing that he didn't get his comeuppance. So I think that was a missed opportunity really. On the plus side, there were, as others have said, some great one liners, especially the "caravaning on Canvey Island" line, and do like that M-reg Jag. It's my favourite motor for Arthur. Dave does well in his brief appearances and I love some of Arthur's patter - 'schtum', 'kosher', 'schmuck', all that old-school cockney-yiddish stuff you don't hear anymore. All in all though, I'm a bit disappointed with this episode. I think Terry could easily have moved on with his life with a girl like Penny, she could have been the making of him, but sadly being a TV series Terry couldn't become domesticated as was not his role. It would have been really good though if we could have seen Terry back for an episode in the Ray years just so we knew what had really become if it. Minder wouldn't have worked nearly as well if Arthur was chasing females as well as Terry, would have spoiled the dynamics of their pairing. Hmm, maybe, Daz. But I'm not so sure. A girl like Penny might have liked Terry as a bit of rough but I'm not sure he would've been a long-term prospect. You can see Penny getting increasingly frustrated with Terry's lack of ambition in later episodes and sooner or later she'd have moved on. The way I see it, ten years later and Penny's living in the Home Counties with three kids, married to a solicitor and doing the school run every morning.
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Post by daz on Oct 13, 2020 11:19:29 GMT
I think Terry could easily have moved on with his life with a girl like Penny, she could have been the making of him, but sadly being a TV series Terry couldn't become domesticated as was not his role. It would have been really good though if we could have seen Terry back for an episode in the Ray years just so we knew what had really become if it. Minder wouldn't have worked nearly as well if Arthur was chasing females as well as Terry, would have spoiled the dynamics of their pairing. Hmm, maybe, Daz. But I'm not so sure. A girl like Penny might have liked Terry as a bit of rough but I'm not sure he would've been a long-term prospect. You can see Penny getting increasingly frustrated with Terry's lack of ambition in later episodes and sooner or later she'd have moved on. The way I see it, ten years later and Penny's living in the Home Counties with three kids, married to a solicitor and doing the school run every morning. My Brother was a bit like Terry (he never did time though) and drifted through one poor job after another after leaving school in 1975. He eventually became a lorry driver and then met a woman, whilst he was already married with a baby, who was well above him class wise, he come from a council scheme in what was and still is the second poorest part of Aberdeen and she was English and lived in a very exlusive part of the City with her family big in oil. Anyway, they ended up married and my Brother eventually gave up the lorry driving and got a job in oil through her family and did very well for himself, wouldn't have happened if he didn't meet this Penny type woman.
Terry is a guy that just needed a Penny to come along and show him a better way of life.
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Post by westminster on Oct 13, 2020 12:34:39 GMT
Oh yeah, these do things happen, I know that. It's rare though, most women prefer to marry 'up' in social status (nurse harbors ambitions of marrying doctor) or at least 'across' (teacher marries teacher). Much less likely to marry the cleaner in either case.
Make of that what you will but it's the norm in Western societies like the UK.
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