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Post by sandy on Nov 5, 2020 16:14:42 GMT
Had the pleasure of watching a bit of this today on ITV4. Didn't see it all the way through but enjoyed what I did see. ITV4 seem to be showing mainly the Ray episodes lately, so it was good to see this, as I prefer the Terry episodes.
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Post by joshmel on Nov 5, 2020 17:00:24 GMT
Like this one. Some sharp witty lines exchanged between Arthur and Terry and by this episode they are really growing into the roles. I thought the performances of the shady club boss Christ lambert and the head case Vic piner added some depth and substance to this episode. A similar episode we see later in series 4 “A star is gorn” is better than this one I have to say mainly because I preferred the Zac Zolar character to the female singer here. Zac has a better storyline behind the character.
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Post by sandy on Nov 6, 2020 9:19:04 GMT
Yep, loved the Zac Zolar character. Had me singing "ducked back down the alley" for weeks after watching the episode!
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Post by ramone on Nov 6, 2020 11:38:24 GMT
Watched this yesterday and on the whole enjoyed it, although as some previous posts mention, I found it strange that AD was portrayed as a skirt chaser. I may be wrong, but can’t recall that happening in other episodes? Also, when staying at Terry’s he says he needs to leave in the morning to take the children to school. Again, can’t recall any other mention of him having children, which would have probably come out in the Ray episodes with him being AD’s nephew and therefore a cousin of the offspring.
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Post by jno on Nov 6, 2020 11:50:35 GMT
Also, when staying at Terry’s he says he needs to leave in the morning to take the children to school. Again, can’t recall any other mention of him having children, which would have probably come out in the Ray episodes with him being AD’s nephew and therefore a cousin of the offspring. Minder novel: yes. Series 1 in this episode: yes. Ray Daley episode series 9: No - as written on minder.org main site: www.minder.org/episodeguide/S09E07_HowToSucceedInBusinessWithoutReallyRetiring.htm
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Post by ramone on Nov 10, 2020 20:12:15 GMT
Also, when staying at Terry’s he says he needs to leave in the morning to take the children to school. Again, can’t recall any other mention of him having children, which would have probably come out in the Ray episodes with him being AD’s nephew and therefore a cousin of the offspring. Minder novel: yes. Series 1 in this episode: yes. Ray Daley episode series 9: No - as written on minder.org main site: www.minder.org/episodeguide/S09E07_HowToSucceedInBusinessWithoutReallyRetiring.htmI bow to your superior and unrivalled knowledge jno😊
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Post by jno on Nov 11, 2020 2:38:03 GMT
In fairness ramone, this Q has come up a few times before over the past 20+ years. This is a definite one for a Minder FAQ.
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Post by westminster on Nov 11, 2020 10:52:31 GMT
I seem to remember an episode (I forget which one) where reference is made to Arthur having to pay fees to send his children to a private school.
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Post by swainy on Nov 11, 2020 13:23:17 GMT
Yeah they certainly get mentioned more than once.
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Post by jno on Nov 12, 2020 20:22:43 GMT
I seem to remember an episode (I forget which one) where reference is made to Arthur having to pay fees to send his children to a private school. This is 'In' - see Facts www.minder.org/episodeguide/S03E13_In.htmand in 'Christmas Bonus' there is mention of two children. I believe there is also mention of children in 'Birdman of Wormwood Scrubs' too.
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Post by westminster on Nov 13, 2020 16:16:38 GMT
Just watching the episode Not a Bad Lad, Dad and Arthur says to Terry "I understand the young mind, I have children" when Terry is looking after the boy, Peter.
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richb
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Post by richb on Nov 20, 2020 14:23:10 GMT
Not keen on this episode especially the Jimmy Saville line ha ha
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Post by nationalpelmet on Nov 25, 2020 19:00:20 GMT
Great title episode. Anyone remember the doorman at the club, as commander travis in Blake’s 7 ? Think this is the first time we see Penny ? Like the references to Arthur’s past. And what about Vic. Loose cannon !!
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Post by kelotoph on Apr 2, 2021 13:40:52 GMT
I think I rated this one as "good". There were a couple of bits that didn't seem to fit, one being Arthur's attempts at physicality with Sharon (or should that be "Shearon"?), and another being the rather superfluous appearance of Penny (although I acknowledge that this was an introduction to a character that would feature in future episodes). Good to see Chisholm sporting a much neater haircut than that featured in "Launderette", although his magnificent cynicism has yet to develop. I thought Terry got away lightly from having floored Vic Pinner. Pinner looked like a man that would harbour a grudge.
Entertaining, all the same.
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Post by barrythebook on Apr 3, 2021 19:23:21 GMT
I thought Terry got away lightly from having floored Vic Pinner. Pinner looked like a man that would harbour a grudge. I think Terry knew he was dealing with a bit of a lunatic, hence the agreement he proposed about no retaliations in return for not making it known that hardman Vic went down from one punch. Whether Vic stuck to that though....?
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Post by bigaitch on Apr 10, 2021 20:08:38 GMT
I enjoyed this episode and have just watched again for the first time in years. The character of Vic Pinner is superb and really well played and as for the girl singer who only hit bum notes - very funny. I loved the quip about Jimmy Saville, just shows how times and perceptions change . As for Brian Croucher, who played Big John, it was bugging me where I had seen him elsewhere. However it came to me - he played a guy in an episode of Only Fools where Del, Rodney and Grandad go to Benidorm. Del is chatting up a female, mistakingly thinking she is French and she calls on Crouchers character who humiliates Del, and then sits down on an inflatable. Del then proceeds to deflate it using his cigar. I really do need to get out more.
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Post by McCann on Apr 10, 2021 20:29:38 GMT
The Only Fools Episode was called 'It never rains..' I was thinking it was a Christmas special, but it was a regular episode in series 2.
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Post by swainy on Apr 10, 2021 22:26:12 GMT
I think that you might be getting Brian Croucher mixed up with Michael Attwell.
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Post by jno on Apr 12, 2021 1:16:05 GMT
I think that you might be getting Brian Croucher mixed up with Michael Attwell. That's right swainy. Brian Croucher has been in an absolute ton of TV and film over the years, for me he is most recognisable for 'Blake's 7', 'The XYY Man', 'Out', the Chief Super in 'Rockliffe's Babies' Kathy's brother in 90s 'Eastenders'. Just the other day I saw him playing a villain in in 'A Nightingale Sang in Berkeley Square' (reviewed else on the forum: minder.proboards.com/thread/5100/nightingale-sang-berkeley-square-scam ). Another notable appearance is in 70s children's sci-fi show 'The Jensen Code'.
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Post by steve74 on Jul 17, 2021 10:16:49 GMT
It is unusual to see Arthur chasing the girls rather than running away from them, not only that but to spend £120 on a dress for her shows how much Arthur was taken with Sharon. I suppose he would have been a jack the lad in his day but I prefer the prudish Arthur we get to know and love. The episode has a rough around the edges feel that gives series one it's charm. Chisholm makes a nice appearance but his character will be more developed in later episodes. Also feel there was a missed opportunity with Terry not giving Big John a beating. I enjoyed the character of Vic and although it's not one of my favourites from series one the script is excellent as always. 3.5 out of 5.
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Post by Barrel on Jan 27, 2022 0:45:14 GMT
Just watched this episode and enjoyed it as always - apart from the bit where Arthur is all over Sharon in the car as he just looked like a dirty old man. I don't know why i laughed so hard at this as its stating the obvious but made my day reading Arthur described as a ' dirty old man"..."all over Sharon in the car".
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Post by Barrel on Jan 27, 2022 0:53:12 GMT
As for Brian Croucher, who played Big John, it was bugging me where I had seen him elsewhere. However it came to me - he played a guy in an episode of Only Fools where Del, Rodney and Grandad go to Benidorm. Del is chatting up a female, mistakingly thinking she is French and she calls on Crouchers character who humiliates Del, and then sits down on an inflatable. Del then proceeds to deflate it using his cigar. Yes by some quirk..there was a pop up news story on google yesterday about Brian Croucher turning 80 and his various roles...i didnt link him to the doorman i saw in this episode today...instead i recalled him playing "Ted" in Eastenders circa 98/99 for a couple of months...and a cameo in " bottom " in 1991
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Post by c79 on Jun 28, 2022 16:29:22 GMT
A good episode and as many have observed, Arthur makes a much better prude than a lothario. Also "Charlie" Chisholm's voice and manner are different - he's almost casual. Great how these wrinkles were ironed out and developed for the better IMO.
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Post by geoffc on Mar 5, 2023 14:19:56 GMT
The thing I find striking about this episode is we see the unpleasant side in nearly all of the main characters – bar Terry himself - who stands out as the only decent human being. From the slimy music promoter to the psycho head bouncer , Arthur clearly trying to get rewarded for his investment in Sharon ‘s career with benefits in kind and to Sharon herself – stringing Arthur along on an unspoken promise but ending up in bed with the piano player.
With the benefit of hindsight the Jimmy Saville reference now seems eerily prescient - echoes of Arthur’s behaviour in the car with Sharon. At the time of broadcast Saville was at the height of his fame. Were any rumours about - even in show biz circles ? Although I did read that Margaret Thatcher was warned of his flawed character at the time of his knighthood – but she brushed these concerns aside. Perhaps the “casting couch” or avoiding it was a part of life for young singers and actresses of the day .
I hear it takes real talent to be able to sing convincingly badly – Sheila White captured this perfectly – together with the cheesy mannerisms and elaborate hand gestures. Totally cringe-worthy !
Sharon Nightingale to Arthur in the car - “It’s not my real name you know” Arthur ‘s reply “ What - Sharon ? ”
Brilliant - just the sort of reply I wish I had made !
There was even a sex joke thrown in – T as in talent not top wotsits !
I would go with 3/5.
Nowadays a lot of new shows are audience tested before release and if met with an unfavourable reaction – then re-editied /rewritten/or reshot . Certainly as others have said – there is far more comic potential with a prudish and socially conservative character – when contrasted with Terry and the “Swinging 70’s “ . This was demonstrated in the earlier episode “Come In T-64” - Arthurs reaction to a naked Debbie in Terry’s flat. Different script writers of course – but would or did the various writers have agreed on a character framework for later episodes ? Or was this too soon bearing in mind it was still only series 1.
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Post by barrythebook on Mar 6, 2023 20:59:13 GMT
Some very good points and observations geoff.
Regarding Sharons 'off' singing taking some skill to portray convincingly, I'm sure i heard somewhere in the dim and distant past about Les Dawsons piano playing which i used to find very funny btw, taking the same kind of talent. I don't think it's that easy, as you mention, to do it convincingly.
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Post by Vic Piner on Sept 19, 2023 21:44:18 GMT
This was todays ITV4 episode, with the politically incorrect lines edited out. It’s one of my favourites. Arthur drunk after an evening out with Share-ron “Fulham’s answer to Dusty Springfield” was quite funny. “They know I like a king prawn in there”. Then turning up at Terrys flat because er indoors locked him out. This for me is a classic episode. I think it may be the first one in which the storyline is more about Arthur than Terry. Vic Piner was another very memorable character who should have reappeared. Terry would have flattened Big John but Mad Vic would have done him in.
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Post by barrythebook on Sept 20, 2023 21:24:32 GMT
Then turning up at Terrys flat because er indoors locked him out. ...which is especially funny as it comes directly after Share-on asking, "You wont get in trouble at home?" to which Arthur confidently replies, "I know how to handle everything."
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Post by azza200 on Sept 20, 2023 22:00:28 GMT
One of the few stories where Arthur is being the lady's man & going after some nookie and not Terry.
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Post by simon316 on Oct 11, 2023 18:50:30 GMT
About to watch this next - binge-watching Minder at the moment, From memory not my fave - it seems strange Arthur actively chasing crumpet. Vic Piner is a wonderful character - plenty of people, I would imagine like him around London. His line about frightening someone by threatening to kill them is a truly classic line with sublime delivery...
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Post by Vic Piner on Nov 18, 2023 4:27:24 GMT
The actor who played Vic Piner (Anthony Heaton) plays a character in this television film. Also, I noticed the barman from the second ever episode (Bury My Half at Waltham Green) who refused Arthur’s old notes, and Stevie who sells goldfish to the kids (Caught in the Act, Fact) Colin Proctor. Quite an enjoyable film tinyurl.com/2ctma2f3
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