Barrel
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Post by Barrel on Dec 19, 2021 23:50:38 GMT
Arthur still veers into the posh George Cole accent His posh accent makes the line, 'He's awfully p$ssed off!", in this one a classic. It wouldn't have sounded nearly as good in Arthurs later, less polished tones. That one had me laughing mate :-) I actually rewinded the recording to find it!
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Barrel
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Post by Barrel on Jan 22, 2022 3:05:09 GMT
Watching this one on ITV 4 and the other early s1 episodes....we all notice as discussed above Arthur would be posh one second a Londoner the next....but young slim Terry McCann too had very different mannerisms...almost camp ..like when he squares up to Jack..
I quite liked this depiction.its so different to when he nailed the part later in..you see it too in the Freddie Fenton episode...his clobber and sun glasses when he disturbs Freddie at home is very chic...almost early hipsterish and hes quite soft spoken.
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Post by AlanH on Oct 24, 2022 15:38:31 GMT
Bury My Half at Waltham Green
The second episode in transmission order (and second on the Aussie DVDs, too), this is far more comedic than the opener, Gunfight at the OK Laundrette. You've got Rose Mellors' minder, Jack, depicted as a clumsy oaf prone to knock things over and break them (indeed when he bashes Terry with the cosh, his accuracy is almost out of character!), Nicky Henson's George Williams being rather overstated and seemingly dim (even allowing for the fact that you later learn he's doing his best to draw attention towards himself, and therefore away from the real Albert Stubbs), some great quips (for example, that Jack "could make Harpo Marx talk") and the rather ironic twist in the tale that the money is no longer legal tender. No-one seems that aggrieved by that, oddly enough.
The whole thing does seem like it's for a year or two later than Gunfight - there's none of the realistic violence or threat here. It's like an Ealing Comedy coming a week after a Guy Ritchie gangland flick. That's not necessarily a criticism - indeed it's refreshing as so much drama today has a house style, a tone that is rigidly stuck to week in, week out.
Rose Mellors is a great character and it was good that she was called back later (though maybe she could have featured more). Ann Lynn gave the character a nice depth; not just your average female baddie. It's thankfully more nuanced than that. Jack (Tony Selby) I was less taken with. I've always liked Selby and, don't get me wrong, I welcomed his presence in this one, but I think his accident-prone nature was overplayed and made the character seem a bit one-note. An issue with the script rather than the actor, but not a massive flaw.
Nice to see the Wormwood Scrubs / Hammersmith Hospital location. If I could have seen out of the window, that would have been more or less my view while in the latter (no, not the former!) for a medical procedure in 2021.
In terms of the cast, it's always good to see Kenneth Cope (I think people know I'm a big fan of Randall and Hopkirk (Deceased), so that explains that!), and, as noted before, Ann Lynn does a fine job. Otherwise, I think the director should really have asked Nicky Henson to tone his performance down a notch or two... and Tony Selby's character could have been a little more rounded.
In all, a good episode, not quite as satisfying as I found Gunfight, though I felt it lacked a Winchester scene and police involvement.
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Post by yoyopickles on Nov 7, 2022 6:20:17 GMT
His posh accent makes the line, 'He's awfully p$ssed off!", in this one a classic. It wouldn't have sounded nearly as good in Arthurs later, less polished tones. That one had me laughing mate :-) I actually rewinded the recording to find it! My late mum was a bit like that, old school cockney accent,being born and raised in bethnal green in 1he 1930s. However,she worked a switchboard at an office in Liverpool Street,so the cockney accent was a strict no no ,so she had a posh "BBC radio" telephone voice that she used right up until she passed away aged almost 89, earlier this year. This posh voice would appear when she met strangers or talking to people in authority,I'm guessing it just became natural to her to switch between the two!
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Barrel
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Post by Barrel on Nov 14, 2022 1:12:29 GMT
That one had me laughing mate :-) I actually rewinded the recording to find it! My late mum was a bit like that, old school cockney accent,being born and raised in bethnal green in 1he 1930s. However,she worked a switchboard at an office in Liverpool Street,so the cockney accent was a strict no no ,so she had a posh "BBC radio" telephone voice that she used right up until she passed away aged almost 89, earlier this year. This posh voice would appear when she met strangers or talking to people in authority,I'm guessing it just became natural to her to switch between the two! Im a lot like your old mum gawd rest her soul. I oscillate between the old school cockney accent I was born with and a middle class voice lol
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Post by yoyopickles on Nov 14, 2022 12:38:48 GMT
I noticed Terry has an ashtray from a pub on his coffee table,yet he doesn't smoke. I know times were different back then and non smokers would have an ashtray for visitors who smoked ,but Terry seemed anti smoking and would say to Arthur "you're not smoking that in here!" Referring to his cigars
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Post by jjmolloy on Nov 14, 2022 17:25:55 GMT
I noticed Terry has an ashtray from a pub on his coffee table,yet he doesn't smoke. I know times were different back then and non smokers would have an ashtray for visitors who smoked ,but Terry seemed anti smoking and would say to Arthur "you're not smoking that in here!" Referring to his cigars It's for when one of his Laydeez come a callin'...
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Post by barrythebook on Nov 15, 2022 20:01:49 GMT
I noticed Terry has an ashtray from a pub on his coffee table,yet he doesn't smoke. I know times were different back then and non smokers would have an ashtray for visitors who smoked ,but Terry seemed anti smoking and would say to Arthur "you're not smoking that in here!" Referring to his cigars I've known a couple of non smokers who always carried a good quality lighter so they coud light other peoples cigarettes for them. Sometimes it was done to impress business associates/potential clients etc. and on other occasions, as jj implies, it was for the birds.
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geoffc
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Post by geoffc on Jan 10, 2023 12:19:54 GMT
I agree with many who’ve said this episode is the classic Minder format and a very good one to boot. Some of the key ingredients : • Shady characters who have served their time but still with a hint of the underworld . This is important in my view - they would be far less engaging if still on the run from a crime. • Arthur’s deception of Terry. • Crime seeming not to pay - literally in this case. • Plenty of comedic sight gags – the Mini swap for example , one liners and slapstick moments too from Jack – Rose’s heavy .
My own view is even in its early days Minder was not meant to be taken that seriously – the comedy is too obvious and too pervasive - call it a light-hearted drama. I never watched the Sweeney or The Professionals – so could be wrong - but here weren’t the grit, poverty , desperation and underbelly of life much more centre stage and no joking matter ? Ok – so there’s a spot of banter in even the most serious drama as light and dark shadings are essential parts of pacing a story. But I wouldn’t call that comedy. Comparing TV shows over a 40 year period can be misleading using today’s standards – and of course we see far more American TV cop and crime shows than we used to - but surely violence now is far more prevalent and explicit in terms of blood, serious injury and the use of weapons. In fact so much so that it seems unbelievable.
Back to the episode itself . Did I hear Arthur refer to “Sophie Loren” in his list of great Italians ?. His malapropisms were brilliant – a sort of under the radar gag which catches up with you later on and all the funnier for that. A couple of bits of slang I hadn’t heard before : – George Wilson refers to “lettuce” . I can’t find any appropriate Cockney Rhyming slang so assume he means money from its similarity to green £1 notes. Both the slang and the £1 note now consigned to history. - Terry used the phrase “as guns are iron” - I’m guessing along the lines of “as sure as eggs is eggs” .
The £1 note in question went out of circulation on the 31st May 1979 notable in being the first to feature the monarch. This ties in perfectly with the filming and air dates. Its replacement – the Sir Isaac Newton design - was introduced 9th February 1978, so no excuses for anyone not to notice – perhaps the May end date has slipped their minds or a spot of dramatic license. Did any viewer spot this at the time?
Talking of the folding stuff - does anyone remember a TV ad featuring Denis Waterman as the Duke of Wellington in the pose featured on the reverse of the £5 note ? All painted blue as the banknote. A weak gag about “feeling all blue” ensued. I think it was for a bank, Barclays or the Woolwich – something like that.
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Post by jno on Jan 10, 2023 18:08:30 GMT
Talking of the folding stuff - does anyone remember a TV ad featuring Denis Waterman as the Duke of Wellington in the pose featured on the reverse of the £5 note ? All painted blue as the banknote. A weak gag about “feeling all blue” ensued. I think it was for a bank, Barclays or the Woolwich – something like that. Is it this one that's been on the minder.org YouTube channel for ages?
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Post by metro1962 on Mar 15, 2023 15:30:37 GMT
The tune Don't Let Go played on the radio when Henson's character is waiting for the answer to the music question is composed by Frank McDonald & Chris Rae but anyone know the Artist? or is it Chris a female doing the vocals? EDIT.Just found out the answer it's this one from the film Creepshow and Vocals by Gillian Gerardo. Trivia. Also this tune is heard in the very trash soft p0rn film Emanuelle in Soho.
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Post by barrythebook on Mar 15, 2023 20:53:58 GMT
The tune Don't Let Go played on the radio when Henson's character is waiting for the answer to the music question is composed by Frank McDonald & Chris Rae but anyone know the Artist? or is it Chris a female doing the vocals? EDIT.Just found out the answer it's this one from the film Creepshow and Vocals by Gillian Gerardo. Trivia. Also this tune is heard in the very trash soft p0rn film Emanuelle in Soho. Also used in 'A Lot of Bull and a Pat on the Back'.
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Post by jno on Mar 20, 2023 16:54:26 GMT
The tune Don't Let Go played on the radio when Henson's character is waiting for the answer to the music question is composed by Frank McDonald & Chris Rae but anyone know the Artist? or is it Chris a female doing the vocals? EDIT.Just found out the answer it's this one from the film Creepshow and Vocals by Gillian Gerardo. Trivia. Also this tune is heard in the very trash soft p0rn film Emanuelle in Soho. Check this out metro1962: www.minder.org/tunes/index.htm#incidental
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Post by metro1962 on Mar 20, 2023 17:32:09 GMT
The tune Don't Let Go played on the radio when Henson's character is waiting for the answer to the music question is composed by Frank McDonald & Chris Rae but anyone know the Artist? or is it Chris a female doing the vocals? EDIT.Just found out the answer it's this one from the film Creepshow and Vocals by Gillian Gerardo. Trivia. Also this tune is heard in the very trash soft p0rn film Emanuelle in Soho. Check this out metro1962: www.minder.org/tunes/index.htm#incidental👍
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mlynn
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Post by mlynn on Apr 1, 2023 23:25:22 GMT
ITV4 catchup only shows the last 10 or so broadcast episodes so I've been watching my DVDs again. Great line: "All Crown Court and Jackanory". I had to ask my missus what that meant, thinking it was rhyming slang, then I realised it's what he would be watching on TV. She said, "It's mad!". I really like this episode. Rose Mellors is perfect as the gangster's wife. The decoy car is a bit of a mystery: Did Terry tell Arthur when Rose was having a shower to get 2 green Minis from the car lot with identical plates I also really liked Kenneth Cope. I think he was wearing the same rain coat as he did in the George and Mildred film when he played a hitman.
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Post by barrythebook on Apr 6, 2023 16:09:13 GMT
The decoy car is a bit of a mystery: Did Terry tell Arthur when Rose was having a shower to get 2 green Minis from the car lot with identical plates Yeah think it must have been Terrys idea but it would have been good to hear him explain to Arthur at least something of his plan. Even if it along the lines of, "We'll need two identical motors and a covered lorry to carry one of them in - don't asked questions Arthur just do as i say and meet me at...".
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Post by minderfan84 on Jan 4, 2024 22:59:49 GMT
I really like this episode. Rose Mellors is perfect as the gangster's wife. She really was good as was Tony Selby in his role as the hapless Jack
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Post by barrythebook on Feb 7, 2024 20:02:07 GMT
The Mini switcheroo is great in this one, It is a nice little scene but having watched the episode today it dawned on me, what's the point? There's no need of the two Minis. Stubbs getting out of one and then into the other, the only switch that was needed was the Mini pulling over for Stubbs to exchange places with his 'decoy' and then make his way to the loot in Terrys Capri, Arthurs Daimler or any other vehicle.
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Post by McCann on Feb 7, 2024 20:39:31 GMT
Yes, it was pretty unbelievable too. Ok, Arthur is a car dealer but he can get his hands on two identical cars, a large truck to hide one of them in, and a few geezers to operate the decoy, and it can come together just like that.
It also depends on Rose Mellors and her Minder following but also being slow enough to leave a long enough gap for the switch. It has a cartoonish feel at this stage, if it was a later episode I doubt they'd have tried it on with the audience like that.
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Post by Vic Piner on Feb 7, 2024 22:34:21 GMT
This has always been in my top five. George Wilson as the decoy was a funny character and a complete nut case. He really enjoyed winding Terry up right from the start. I would just love to have seen more of his character in other episodes.
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Post by jno on Feb 8, 2024 4:56:06 GMT
Yes, it was pretty unbelievable too. Ok, Arthur is a car dealer but he can get his hands on two identical cars, a large truck to hide one of them in, and a few geezers to operate the decoy, and it can come together just like that. It also depends on Rose Mellors and her Minder following but also being slow enough to leave a long enough gap for the switch. It has a cartoonish feel at this stage, if it was a later episode I doubt they'd have tried it on with the audience like that. Yeah, but without it we wouldn't have had the classic phrase "We're half way to bleedin' Luton!"Here are some 'Series C' one pound notes that were featured in the episode (no, not the actual ones!), which as per the episode, were replaced by series D on the 9th February 1978, almost 46 years ago as I post this. When this episode was being filmed, this would have been about 4 months + 1 year or so after the introduction of the newer version of this note.
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Post by McCann on Feb 8, 2024 6:12:28 GMT
Did filming start in 1978 jno, I always assumed it didn't start until 1979 after the last of the Sweeney had been aired. I know the ITV strike delayed the airing of Minder, but assumed all series 1 episodes where filmed in early 1979
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Post by hollandpark on Feb 8, 2024 8:10:42 GMT
Just a heads up this one was on ITV 4 yesterday. So I'm guessing they have started another run from the very start of the series.I did record it but one caveat is that subtitles are not functional on these newer episodes. Maybe this will change as the season progresses.
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Post by jno on Feb 8, 2024 11:25:08 GMT
Did filming start in 1978 jno, I always assumed it didn't start until 1979 after the last of the Sweeney had been aired. I know the ITV strike delayed the airing of Minder, but assumed all series 1 episodes where filmed in early 1979 Yes filming started May 79, my previous post is +1 year (amended).
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Post by McCann on Feb 8, 2024 19:10:32 GMT
ah, just time for a spot of continuous assessment jno
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Post by hollandpark on Feb 8, 2024 20:53:11 GMT
For some silly reason I always first assumed it was Walham green
Those familiar with West London will recognise it lol
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Post by hollandpark on Feb 18, 2024 19:03:31 GMT
I watched this again today and I am 99.9% sure he says Walham green when Terry asks him where they are going in the green car at the end Maybe it was originally Walham green and the tv execs renamed it Waltham Green Walham green makes more sense to me foursquare.com/v/walham-green/4da46b2f2939b1f7fed33157
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Post by metro1962 on Feb 18, 2024 19:28:47 GMT
I watched this again today and I am 99.9% sure he says Walham green when Terry asks him where they are going in the green car at the end Maybe it was originally Walham green and the tv execs renamed it Waltham Green Walham green makes more sense to me foursquare.com/v/walham-green/4da46b2f2939b1f7fed33157What did the subtitles say? If it had any that is.
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Post by McCann on Feb 18, 2024 20:35:16 GMT
I raised this back on page 1 of this thread. Walham Green seems to be a small area around Fulham Broadway tube. So no green fields around there. Swainy suggested they could have had Welham Green - a Village in Hertfordshire in mind. No doubt they didn't consider assorted middle age geezers debating this on computers 45 years into the future.
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Post by jno on Feb 19, 2024 5:14:25 GMT
No doubt they didn't consider assorted middle age geezers debating this on computers 45 years into the future. Middle aged? Speak for yourself McCann, I'm well past that now. I always assumed Waltham was used to disassociate it with any real place name but that is pure supposition. Meanwhile, the search for where they dig up the door still goes on.
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