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Post by jno on Nov 19, 2015 10:07:43 GMT
Suggested by: candycabs
A tough decision this week as generally speaking, all things considered do you prefer VINYL or CD? No fence sitting this week.
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Post by Terry on Nov 19, 2015 14:22:17 GMT
Never looked back on vinyl and now slowly starting to not look back on CD...all mp3 lately. Altho I do need CD-R because the Mondeo does not support bluetooth streaming.
Thinking about it, I really cant remember when I last bought a CD, I always used Amazon MP3 lately....or "other sources" .
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Post by jno on Nov 19, 2015 15:35:56 GMT
I liked the fact that with vinyl you felt you owned something. With a CD you still owned something but just not as much and it was less storage space.
The biggest issue for me both is storage space, I have been a massive fan of mp3 since urrm late 90s but quality-wise unless it's a superb rip you never really get the same vibe you get with a CD or vinyl. The same principle applied to DVDs and book - shelves and shelves of stuff as I am a hoarder becomes too much physical shelf space after a while. I like digital for this reason but sadly as a result some of the 'magic' has gone as a result.
For me mp3 pretty much killed me ever listening to whole albums, which is a shame as now I pick and choose what I want. It's nice to have a CD for me these days as I actually have to listen to the whole thing from start to finish.
If I had to choose between these two essentially 'old school' media types though, ooh it's tough but I would have to go with vinyl as literally too many of my CDs went faulty over the years - so much for the "last forever" myth that was banded about when they first came out.
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Post by ace5150 on Nov 19, 2015 16:46:39 GMT
Vinyl rules. However, the majority of my collection is on my iPods, taken from CDs which I still have. My punk collection on vinyl is worth a lot of money. Loved the gimmicks of picture discs and coloured vinyl, but the sound quality was ropey. Hmmmm, tough one. Now I appreciate vinyl more, but from 1987 onwards, I couldn't replace it fast enough with CDs! CDs have bonus tracks you wouldn't get with vinyl, as stressed, ideal for storage. As I'm nostalgic and my punk vinyl is Mrs Aces pension, I will go vinyl.......Just!
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Post by daz on Nov 19, 2015 17:09:00 GMT
Vinyl every day of the week and I'm not speaking as a hipster. Just something proper about it in my opinion.
MP3 is ghastly for sound quality, just sounds wrong. CD is what I still buy most of, but I still have a good stock of vinyl, for me you cannot replicate the sound of vinyl on any other format.
I actually have an Ipod and have all my music on it, all taken from my own collection. I own 15 downloaded songs and 1 downloaded album, the album was because it is not available in any other format and the individual songs purchased after one or two shandies and I start reminising about songs from years ago and have to listen to it, needless to say all of the songs are terrible.
Long live vinyl.
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Post by Arch Stanton on Nov 19, 2015 17:31:26 GMT
I'm not prepared to make a decision just yet, however I do think vinyl sounds better. When I was in the North West earlier this year my mate (HUGE reggae collection) played me Mother Liza by Leroy Smart.. Holy smokes, the difference between that and the CD I've got, which is a decent CD, was staggering! So much more depth and soul to it..
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Post by Terry on Nov 19, 2015 19:35:27 GMT
You are all right in your opinions, but I myself am no audiophile and the quality of MP3 from 192 kB/s upwards is fine for me, never heard too much difference between them and the other better media.
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Post by mybodyguard on Nov 20, 2015 13:22:10 GMT
I base it on sound quality and vinyl wins easily. In some songs and albums, there's instrumentation you can't even hear properly in a compressed CD or even MP3. It's all in the vinyl.
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Post by Portland Road on Nov 22, 2015 10:28:10 GMT
I think I prefer CD in that it was a conveniently-sized format for the time. And good sound reproduction. Much like VHS was an improvement on cine-film reels.
But I do think vinyl was very very good and sounds infinitely better than MP3s.
I still have my CD collection and within the sleeves I have the tickets from gigs I went to during e.g. the 90s.
Quite a lot of my music is copied to my hard drive, but I probably should back up more of it, for ease of transferring/playing to modern formats.
Any vinyl/cassettes/CDs I have I will still keep, they are still original artefacts with readable sleeve notes etc.
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Post by Arch Stanton on Nov 24, 2015 13:04:32 GMT
Your post really resonates with me Lee, apart from the bit about vinyl not particularly sounding better. CDs are infinitely more practical. But I'm going vinyl too.. Even though I don't even have any records these days.
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Post by plasticpenguin on Nov 24, 2015 23:04:12 GMT
As a latecomer to the CD bandwagon, I was stunned how clear and detailed CDs were/are compared to flawed but fabulous vinyl. However, it soon became apparent that with this detail there was a trade-off: In direct comparison, CDs sounded too clinical and therefore lacked old fashioned enjoyment. CDs, if the recording is over compressed, spoils the whole musical experience. When the recording is good... it's very good.
Many who gripe about vinyl quality don't generally look at the bigger picture. Records are only as good or bad as the turntable or deck they're played on: Turntables need the counter weight and bias checked on a fairly regular basis (and if the stylus has played over 200 hours, it'll probably need changing). If not the vinyl degrades very quickly - in extreme cases the record can change colour.
I love both formats but tend to avoid any CD that's been remastered. The only real exception is the Beatle [remastered] collection.
I voted for vinyl (just).
Records:
Pros: Natural, emotive sound; actually read the sleeve notes and brings more theatre to the experience; pride of ownership. Cons: Need maintenance; Take up a lot of space; turntables need a lot of TLC.
CDs:
Pros: Beautiful clarity and insightful soundstage; practical; Easy to store Cons: Poor recordings ruin the experience; flimsy plastic cases; Sleeve notes and lyrics hard to read.
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Post by mybodyguard on Nov 26, 2015 15:15:33 GMT
Up to a couple of years ago I would have said vinyl in a heartbeat but I'm not so sure now. I don't really go along with the vinyl sounds warmer or better argument.That's down to bad cd mixing in the studio rather than the format. I do find records more aesthetically pleasing but cds are so much more convenient. You can skip tracks,burn compilations or make multi album mp3 discs for the car etc.I made a 50 track cd for our last halloween party,intersperced with related film and tv theme tunes,all ripped off youtube. This is a really difficult one. Head says cd,heart says vinyl. Vinyl. You can skip tracks on vinyl by walking over, picking up the needle, and setting it back down. They also have USB turntables where you can burn tracks, but it takes a heck of a lot longer than transferring a CD!
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Post by plasticpenguin on Nov 27, 2015 2:16:29 GMT
Up to a couple of years ago I would have said vinyl in a heartbeat but I'm not so sure now. I don't really go along with the vinyl sounds warmer or better argument.That's down to bad cd mixing in the studio rather than the format. I do find records more aesthetically pleasing but cds are so much more convenient. You can skip tracks,burn compilations or make multi album mp3 discs for the car etc.I made a 50 track cd for our last halloween party,intersperced with related film and tv theme tunes,all ripped off youtube. This is a really difficult one. Head says cd,heart says vinyl. Vinyl. You can skip tracks on vinyl by walking over, picking up the needle, and setting it back down. They also have USB turntables where you can burn tracks, but it takes a heck of a lot longer than transferring a CD! There are a number of integrated USB TTs, but quite frankly, the SQ isn't anywhere near as good as a dedicated turntable, such as budget models: Rega, Pro-ject, s/hand Thorens or entry-level Michell Tecnodec, which can be picked for as little as £400 on auction sites. In my opinion, vinyl and 'ripping' should never be integrated.
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Post by jno on Nov 27, 2015 3:57:05 GMT
In my opinion, vinyl and 'ripping' should never be integrated. I was just asking a friend about ripping a few 7" objects for me yesterday. The reason? One of them was a Dennis Waterman flexi-disc which I picked up recently and have been looking for at least 20 years that I hope to share at some point on here. I still haven't heard it. I agree that quality of 'ripping devices' could offer us with something far better but for cheap and cheerful stuff (and flexi discs are notoriously crackly anyway) I can live with them if there is absolutely no other way to hear the track/material. Around 18 years ago a friend did this for me by simply linking his posh turntable to an amplifier, then into a soundcard's line-in. At that time I had a pile of stuff on vinyl, cassettes were dying out and the mp3 had truly landed. One tune I remember converting (or is it transcoding?) was Roland Rat's "No 1 Rat Fan" which just wasn't on CD anywhere.
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Post by plasticpenguin on Nov 27, 2015 4:52:32 GMT
In my opinion, vinyl and 'ripping' should never be integrated. I was just asking a friend about ripping a few 7" objects for me yesterday. The reason? One of them was a Dennis Waterman flexi-disc which I picked up recently and have been looking for at least 20 years that I hope to share at some point on here. I still haven't heard it. I agree that quality of 'ripping devices' could offer us with something far better but for cheap and cheerful stuff (and flexi discs are notoriously crackly anyway) I can live with them if there is absolutely no other way to hear the track/material. Around 18 years ago a friend did this for me by simply linking his posh turntable to an amplifier, then into a soundcard's line-in. At that time I had a pile of stuff on vinyl, cassettes were dying out and the mp3 had truly landed. One tune I remember converting (or is it transcoding?) was Roland Rat's "No 1 Rat Fan" which just wasn't on CD anywhere. Rather than spend £300+ on a integrated, I'd choose this route: www.superfi.co.uk/p-16076-project-record-box-e-pre-amplifier.aspx?VariantHid=31981&gclid=CPi83fXlr8kCFQb3wgodLvoEeQwww.kronosav.com/analogue/turntables/pro-ject-elemental-entry-level-audiophile-turntable.htmlPersonally, I'd save the pennies and buy an all-in-one streamer/amp/CDP like Naim or Linn Sneaky, add an outboard phono stage and soundcard. Costs a lot of dough but the SQ will be superb. However, the main caveat is it's dependent on how you've kept your vinyl - and some (record) albums are different to the CD version. Also, it goes against the copyright of the record/CD company to stream or copy a record. This is quite murky water. As a traditionalist, I can't ever see the need to stream records.
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Post by mybodyguard on Nov 28, 2015 0:33:23 GMT
I own this:
I mostly burn tracks that can't be found on CD or MP3. The quality is very good and you can use it with turntables that are better than the USB dedicated turntables. I upgraded turntables recently and never tried it with my new one, but it sounded great even with a lower end model I used to own.
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Post by plasticpenguin on Nov 28, 2015 9:44:09 GMT
I own this: I mostly burn tracks that can't be found on CD or MP3. The quality is very good and you can use it with turntables that are better than the USB dedicated turntables. I upgraded turntables recently and never tried it with my new one, but it sounded great even with a lower end model I used to own. I've always found these gizmos to be adequate - none I've heard I could define as "very good", but music, unlike anything else, is so subjective. One person's Golden Goose is another's Ugly Duckling. I'm a firm believer that the sound as a whole is so dependant on the source. No matter how good your amp or speakers unless the source is eeking out every nuance, you'll never hear the full potential of your system.
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Post by chopper on Apr 4, 2016 19:49:54 GMT
CD
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Post by ace5150 on Jul 10, 2017 13:36:04 GMT
Update. I have brought a blue vinyl HMV exclusive LP today for £20. Give 'em Enough Rope - The Clash. Being sold on eBay for £30 already!
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Post by felixdeburgh on Jul 10, 2017 15:14:09 GMT
I ordered the 2LP 'book version' of The Bunnymen's Heaven Up Here last Thursday and it was delivered on Friday. The seller very kindly included the standard version of the LP as well. I'm assuming it was a mistake but it would be a lot of hassle trying to return it.....
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Post by gustav on Jul 26, 2017 19:51:37 GMT
In the end vinyl. CDs have had their day.
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Post by alf on Jul 26, 2017 22:50:36 GMT
As someone who was brought up on vinyl in the 80's I'd rather have the old LPs.The interaction with Vinyl was more intimate.Getting up to turn the record over.Looking at the artwork and emersing yourself in the music.Sadly those days are gone now.How much do they charge for Vinyl about £20?About twice as much as CDs it's become more of an elite market.
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Post by larchlapriley on Jul 28, 2017 18:09:26 GMT
I was in the London branch of FOPP on Wednesday and noticed that about half of their top floor is now given over to vinyl. It is interesting the way it has made a comeback but as I now listen to most of my music in the car or on the train it isn't a particularly useful development for me personally (although I still have all my old records as I am a collector/hoarder). I still buy the odd second hand record if I like the artwork but for listening I generally prefer CDs/MP3s or streaming. I get Deezer free with my mobile subscription and I find that useful because I can access new music from European artists that just isn't available in product form in the UK. A good example is an album that I'm listening to free at the moment which is £19 in physical form from Amazon. Having said that I still end up buying CDs because I have an attachment to 'physical product'. The difficult bit is working out which CDs to buy when they come out because they are likely to become hard to find and which to pass on because they'll be going for £5 in a few month's time.
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Post by Arch Stanton on Jul 29, 2017 6:39:28 GMT
A good example is an album that I'm listening to free at the moment which is £19 in physical form from Amazon. Having said that I still end up buying CDs because I have an attachment to 'physical product'. The difficult bit is working out which CDs to buy when they come out because they are likely to become hard to find and which to pass on because they'll be going for £5 in a few month's time. You see I do exactly the same Larch. Mostly I listen to music as CDs in my car. I refuse to pay lots of money for them though and for the more expensive ones I tend to get ripped copies..... off this guy I know who sports an eyepatch and a parrot. He usually comes up with the goods no matter how obscure, which counterbalances his generally disobedient behaviour.
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Post by bensonrad on Aug 1, 2017 21:37:52 GMT
I am still very much a CD man, but would rarely buy on release date these days, most CDs give it 6 or 7 months will already be down to a fiver, and then by a year, amazon secondhand sellers like musicmagpie will selling them for pennies and that's when I strike and add another CD to my collection of 1000s, haha. Saying that I did pre-order Blackgrapes new CD, but that's because it came with a signed poster. I do have a few vinyls (but no player) bought a lot of Beady Eye/Noel Gallagher ltd 7" vinyls and ordered that new Liam Gallagher one, but the prices for vinyl are crazy, £30 for an album re-released again for the umpteenth time, just seems a bit extravagant. Will they retain their value? One concern I do have with all my CDs is data rot, some of the real old ones are looking a bit dodgy around the edges now, but still seem to play okay.
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Post by jno on Aug 3, 2017 5:01:16 GMT
Regarding data rot, who had a sketch in the 80s where they were cooking an egg off a CD? I am certain I remember them claiming CDs were practically indestructible back in the day.
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Post by Arch Stanton on Aug 3, 2017 8:02:27 GMT
I am certain I remember them claiming CDs were practically indestructible back in the day. You mean they lied to us when they initially advertised the selling of these things? Stop the world I wanna get off. The b******s! Good job I never actually attempted to fly that space rocket I made out of them to the moon! It could have been really dangerous on re-entry.. Re: Rot. None of my cds have rot.... Maybe it's only the ones that have rubbish music on them that rot?
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Post by bensonrad on Aug 5, 2017 19:35:05 GMT
I don't know what it is, but the all the outer edges have started to go all wavey and dark!
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Post by jno on Aug 5, 2017 19:39:18 GMT
Maybe it's only the ones that have rubbish music on them that rot? Interestingly my collection of Bryan Adams CDs from the 1980s are absolutely fine now you come to mention it.
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Post by Arch Stanton on Aug 6, 2017 6:12:53 GMT
Maybe it's only the ones that have rubbish music on them that rot? Interestingly my collection of Bryan Adams CDs from the 1980s are absolutely fine now you come to mention it. Well I'm genuinely stumped by that then, coz I thought I had a water tight theory. But once again that clagnut Adams has rock-popped up and ruined everything.
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