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Post by barrythebook on Dec 13, 2020 16:06:15 GMT
I don't think Baker would have left things as the were at the final scenes, he looked a right evil bar steward, something very sinister about him. I've never known what to make of Baker. He does come across as a nasty, vindictive piece of work but I don't think he'd be anything without his minders around him. He's trading on his reputation and I think a serious move on him would take him out easily enough.
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Post by steve74 on Dec 13, 2020 16:21:51 GMT
Watched this one again today and rate it very highly. Have to say Freddie Baker does give me the creeps. The running gag with the sports jackets is so funny. Especially enjoy the ending with Chisholm (who is excellent) looking round the Winchester at the all the punters wearing the dogtooth jackets. And his final line to Arthur "Every dogtooth has his day" is brilliant.
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Post by barrythebook on Dec 13, 2020 20:29:55 GMT
Especially enjoy the ending with Chisholm (who is excellent) looking round the Winchester at the all the punters wearing the dogtooth jackets. And his final line to Arthur "Every dogtooth has his day" is brilliant. ...and Arthurs look of complete bewilderment - obviously hasn't got a clue what he's been selling and doesn't care as long as he's making a few quid
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Post by kettle on Mar 28, 2021 1:22:33 GMT
The more I see of Debbie, the more I like
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Post by ned on Mar 28, 2021 22:04:29 GMT
The more I see of Debbie, the more I like Not sure there's much more to see!
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Post by 615 on May 30, 2021 11:35:08 GMT
John Moffatt was on Radio 4 extra recently as Hercule Poirot.
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Post by 615 on May 30, 2021 11:41:02 GMT
Maybe it's my old eyesight as well but the lorry that drops Mickey off appears to be displaying trade plates. Would that be something to do with insurance as it would mean the lorry could be driven on the public road possibly by a member of the crew?
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Post by barrythebook on May 31, 2021 20:05:45 GMT
Maybe it's my old eyesight as well but the lorry that drops Mickey off appears to be displaying trade plates. Would that be something to do with insurance as it would mean the lorry could be driven on the public road possibly by a member of the crew? I reckon it's a genuine lorry being delivered (on trade plates as you say) from manufacturer/dealer to customer and the driver was offered a few quid adhoc to take a small part in the episode. It's not like we even see the driver, let alone him have a speaking role so I don't think any special hiring arrangements etc would have been made. I reckon the driver was approached at a nearby transport café or filling station and asked if he'd be interested in a few quid for the small role.
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Post by coco on Jun 6, 2021 17:55:58 GMT
To me it smacked of Frank Mitchell on the run from Dartmoor prison and the Kray brothrs who spent a lot of time at their mums house, anyone see the connection?
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Post by steve99 on Jun 9, 2021 11:11:43 GMT
To me it smacked of Frank Mitchell on the run from Dartmoor prison and the Kray brothrs who spent a lot of time at their mums house, anyone see the connection? One true crime book I read some years ago included a section on Frank Mitchell escaping and it immediately made me think of Looking for Micky. The circumstances were very similar and Tony Hoare must surely have known the Mitchell story, particularly as he had run-ins with the law in his younger days. From what I recall of reading about Frank Mitchell, he had Micky's naivete, which led to his demise. I think Micky wasn't shown as more of a violent hard nut to keep the audience on his side, as someone less friendly would perhaps have caused telly punters to think he didn't deserve Terry's help and there wasn't that much difference between him and Freddie Baker, who was the true villain of the piece but is free to walk the streets whilst Micky languishes in jail. Baker living with his mother was no doubt a nod to the Krays and maybe also to Vic Dakin from Villain. All capable of causing mayhem, albeit Baker didn't get involved in any fighting, but good to their old ma like all the old school villains. Although Baker didn't look as if he could handle any fisticuffs, such an individual would almost always have a minder or two at his side, with him issuing demands and the latter doing the bashing if the unfortunate bloke didn't comply. Someone may have caught him on his own but the consequences don't bear thinking about if his henchmen tracked down his attacker, when you consider the threats made to Arthur. The only other TV programme I saw John Moffatt in was in jno's favourite show, the white knuckle actionfest series The Adventurer, featuring the tall, young and handsome Gene Barry. Apart than that, I once heard John singing with Patricia Routledge on an edition of Desert Island Discs so he may have been one for musicals, or maybe he just dabbled, like George Cole.
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Post by gra966 on Jun 9, 2021 18:00:37 GMT
Maybe it's my old eyesight as well but the lorry that drops Mickey off appears to be displaying trade plates. Would that be something to do with insurance as it would mean the lorry could be driven on the public road possibly by a member of the crew? I reckon it's a genuine lorry being delivered (on trade plates as you say) from manufacturer/dealer to customer and the driver was offered a few quid adhoc to take a small part in the episode. It's not like we even see the driver, let alone him have a speaking role so I don't think any special hiring arrangements etc would have been made. I reckon the driver was approached at a nearby transport café or filling station and asked if he'd be interested in a few quid for the small role. Quite often , back then , commercial vehicles that appeared in tv shows , were un registered company demos , with of course the exception of the Transcontinentals , supplied by Ford . The one here , in the episode , by the shape of the cab & style of rear lamps , is a Bedford TL , but as you say , it looks like it is in the process of being delivered . Another prime example of this , is the infamous " I like Trucking " sketch from Not the Nine O Clock News , where we see Rowan Atkinson driving a Leyland Constructor tipper . It is seen on Hertfordshire issued trade plates , as it replaced the old Scammell Routeman and was built in the same factory at Watford . This was clearly a demonstrater , right down to the tarpaulin displaying the Leyland " plughole " logo .
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Post by Barrel on Feb 20, 2022 23:03:14 GMT
I noticed that when Arthur goes into the newspaper offices, he is a sheepskin jacket, which is really more del boy then arthur! Or the Leeds Building society ads!
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Post by Barrel on Feb 20, 2022 23:16:50 GMT
Have always liked this episode.
Im not oblivious to the nude scenes and yes she had a fine myleene klass But what a soothing voice Debbie had.Like Des I always thought she appeared in more than 5 episodes.She was a great actress who really bought a lot to any episode she was in and I wish they'd bought her back towards the end of the DW run or even had them two elope to Australia....would have given Tel the happy ending he deserved.
Going back to this episode the ending was a little unfulfilling.Mickey going back inside and Freddie Baker not getting some kind of hiding from Tel.
As an aside the Mickey actor John labanowski must be some thespian too I had no bleedin idea he played Queenie in Eastenders at the end of the same decade.
Ps : The sly look on Arthurs face, when he's on the bar talking about " moral turpitude" as he protests " I hardly know the girl" than steals a sneaky peek and smile at Debbie's George Bests made me laugh!
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Post by barrythebook on Feb 21, 2022 19:21:33 GMT
Debbie I wish they'd bought her back towards the end of the DW run or even had them two elope to Australia....would have given Tel the happy ending he deserved. Great idea, that would have been good. Out of Terrys two semi regular girlfriends, Penny and Debbie, Debbie was far more suitable imo and I could have seen them settling and having a very good life together. Debbie was a decent, goodhearted person but her being a stripper would always mean that certain folk would look down on her and judge her unfairly so i reckon a 'clean start' in Australia would have suited her as she was getting older and stripping was no longer an option.
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Post by ltd on Feb 25, 2022 12:09:46 GMT
Then you have the side-story of the jackets, another appearance from the lovely Debbie, her largest Minder role (ironic, as its her last) and Chisholm getting the last word. She plays a major part in Poetic Justice, Innit? which I think is her last Minder appearance.
Having watched both this and The Old School tie on successive nights it is interesting to compare and contrast. Looking For Mickey has a much bleaker outcome, and probably more realistic. I thought all the connections between the characters was straining credibility a little though e.g. Terry and Mickey both knowing Debbie at different times. Arthur's journalist pal knows a Fleet Street heavy hitter who just happens to be from the same street as Freddie who used to employ Mickey etc.
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Post by rycottsraincoat on Dec 15, 2022 13:25:12 GMT
This episode contains one of my favourite lines : "A minder with no kneecaps is a minder with no work!" Arthur to Terry near the end. I also thought that Freddie Baker was played by John Moffatt with just the right amount of understated menace. He was known (Moffatt) for being a very good `straight` actor, well regarded on the stage. It would indeed have been good to see him in another episode or two.
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Post by westminster on Dec 15, 2022 17:14:15 GMT
This episode contains one of my favourite lines : "A minder with no kneecaps is a minder with no work!" Arthur to Terry near the end. I also thought that Freddie Baker was played by John Moffatt with just the right amount of understated menace. He was known (Moffatt) for being a very good `straight` actor, well regarded on the stage. It would indeed have been good to see him in another episode or two. I watched this episode on ITV 4 this morning and really enjoyed it. I always like episodes with Debbie and Charlie Chisholm was in particularly good form, I thought. Also, I agree, it would've been good to see Freddie Baker again. I do like a good old-fashioned psycho gangster who still lives with his mum...
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Post by westminster on Dec 15, 2022 17:25:06 GMT
To me it smacked of Frank Mitchell on the run from Dartmoor prison and the Kray brothrs who spent a lot of time at their mums house, anyone see the connection? One true crime book I read some years ago included a section on Frank Mitchell escaping and it immediately made me think of Looking for Micky. The circumstances were very similar and Tony Hoare must surely have known the Mitchell story, particularly as he had run-ins with the law in his younger days. From what I recall of reading about Frank Mitchell, he had Micky's naivete, which led to his demise. I think Micky wasn't shown as more of a violent hard nut to keep the audience on his side, as someone less friendly would perhaps have caused telly punters to think he didn't deserve Terry's help and there wasn't that much difference between him and Freddie Baker, who was the true villain of the piece but is free to walk the streets whilst Micky languishes in jail. Baker living with his mother was no doubt a nod to the Krays and maybe also to Vic Dakin from Villain. All capable of causing mayhem, albeit Baker didn't get involved in any fighting, but good to their old ma like all the old school villains. Although Baker didn't look as if he could handle any fisticuffs, such an individual would almost always have a minder or two at his side, with him issuing demands and the latter doing the bashing if the unfortunate bloke didn't comply. Someone may have caught him on his own but the consequences don't bear thinking about if his henchmen tracked down his attacker, when you consider the threats made to Arthur. The only other TV programme I saw John Moffatt in was in jno's favourite show, the white knuckle actionfest series The Adventurer, featuring the tall, young and handsome Gene Barry. Apart than that, I once heard John singing with Patricia Routledge on an edition of Desert Island Discs so he may have been one for musicals, or maybe he just dabbled, like George Cole. Yeah, this episode is obviously based on Frank Mitchell's escape from Dartmoor. The Freddie Baker character seems, to me, to be based on a combination of the Krays (who sprung Mitchell from prison) and Freddie Foreman (AKA the managing director of British crime) who was called in to get rid of Mitchell when he ended up becoming a nuisance.
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Post by geoffc on Jul 19, 2023 20:19:28 GMT
This episode has a lot going for it - right up there with the best of series 3 . The pub where Arthur first meets his journo friend has been identified as the Larkhall Tap corner of Smedley Street / Larkhall Lane SW4. In the episode Debbie comes on stage to perform a striptease - mouthing "Hello Arthur" to Arthurs consternation as he pretends not to know her. A old drinking acquaintance once told me this was an actual strip pub back in the day so not a studio set. I haven't met anyone else who can corroborate this - I don't go out that much ! It's been an electrical wholesalers throughout its Google maps history. The parallels between the Krays with Mad Frankie Mitchel could not have gone unnoticed at the time - and that made the Freddie Baker character all the more convincing in my view. John Moffat played it perfectly as the ultimate nasty piece of work - the undercurrent of depraved menace was palpable . You could believe there was nothing he wouldn't do - or more likely get done for him - beatings, torture, amputations, disappearances, murder - all in a days work. Baker said he had "a lemon on the firm " who he used to good effect to put Micky back inside. So I assuming he is referring to the unscrupulous newspaperman Oates - so how does the rhyming slang work ? It can't be lemon drop = cop because he wasn't . Lemon tart = smart maybe. Certainly Baker and Oates played hard ball and ran rings around Arthur . Great visual running gag with the jackets. Firstly Dave then Anker finally Micky and most of the Winchester. I liked the way it wasn't signposted by the script - you just pick it up in the background and it slowly builds - much more amusing that way . And finally the Jones / Chisholm double act - done to perfection . I will go with 5/5
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Post by pr1 on Sept 28, 2023 2:23:15 GMT
When Oates talks to Baker about Arthur, Baker says “Arthur has a lemon”. What does that mean?
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Post by ontheslate on Sept 28, 2023 6:14:22 GMT
When Oates talks to Baker about Arthur, Baker says “Arthur has a lemon”. What does that mean? Not to sure of the context but Lemon could mean a few things it could racist rhyming slang but in this case don’t think so, or as someone said lemon drop =cop but that doesn’t make sense either the only thing I can think of is Lemon meaning dud or something faulty but even that doesn’t really make sense in the situation.
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Post by metro1962 on Sept 28, 2023 12:33:40 GMT
When Oates talks to Baker about Arthur, Baker says “Arthur has a lemon”. What does that mean? Not to sure of the context but Lemon could mean a few things it could racist rhyming slang but in this case don’t think so, or as someone said lemon drop =cop but that doesn’t make sense either the only thing I can think of is Lemon meaning dud or something faulty but even that doesn’t really make sense in the situation. The term 'Lemon' could mean 'Bitter' 'smart' (Not used nowadays) If the term 'a right lemon' was used it would be deemed as 'stupid' or it could be a made up word by the script writer so that in many many years to come people would ask what it means on a Minder forum.😂😁
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Post by ontheslate on Sept 28, 2023 13:26:03 GMT
The only time I would have used lemon would be for someone who a bit thick or talking about buying something faulty
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Post by metro1962 on Sept 28, 2023 16:24:54 GMT
Never understood why Diana was not in more eps than she was in,she had her fans on here and generally......with or without her clothes on.
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