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Post by jno on Jun 10, 2015 6:22:22 GMT
Link to episode on minder.org: www.minder.org/episodeguide/S08E06_TheLastTemptationOfDaley.htm
I watched this one again recently and I although I think both Arthur & Ray do their best to make something out of the script, I have always found the story in this one tends drags out a little too much. Although GC is on top form, there are large gaps where very little happens and sadly this is not one of my favourites as Arthur is a little bit on the silly side throughout as he has temporarily given up booze and cigars.
I am still not sure what the doctor's receptionist says to Arthur at the start of this one as he enters the surgery - it sounds like "Dr Hardman's been buzzing" which Arthur replies "I haven't been feeling too good myself". Benny McLeish is clearly a bit of a nutter in this one and the fight scene at the end probably could have been a bit more brutal than it turned out.
Some familiar faces - the pub landlord is Arthur Whybrow, who was Bozz Boswell in 'Minder On The Orient Express'. I recognise the girl at the bar at the end but cannot place her. One of the heavies who works for McLeish seen in the van at the end is Terry 'Terence' Plummer, who appeared in lots of earlier episodes of Minder.
The man in the café who Arthur throws his coffee over was also a bouncer at the casino in 'You Lose Some, You Win Some' back in series 2.
According to the locations list for this episode, the wine merchant that Arthur goes to at the end is The Nest, Hanwell at 106 Uxbridge Rd. There is also an entry for external shot of a garage listed as Brent Wheel & Tyre, 154 Church Rd, NW10 - this doesn't feature in the episode so I can only assume this wasn't filmed or cut out later on. Ray does refer to getting the car fixed after Arthur hits the kerb.
As for clues as to when it was filmed - the man in the café is reading a Daily Mirror with a partially viewable headline but nothing much else to go except Cadbury's Cream Eggs on the shop counter only available 6 weeks prior to Easter - unlikely a prop as apparently shop was in use then so this must be one of the last to be filmed. Morley's hair is a little bit longer too.
Very few funny moments in this one unfortunately but this one line was quite witty:
Doctor: Smoke?
Arthur: No thank you, I just put one out.
Overall, a pretty mediocre affair this one which only shows that Ray will do anything for Arthur to help him out. Only a few familiar faces and half a decent fight sequence at the end do much in this one for me. 5/10
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Post by daz on Jan 4, 2016 12:02:04 GMT
A middle of the road episode if ever there was one. I'm not sure a "headcase" jock builder being sold some dodgy paint and seeking revenge on Arthur makes a decent 50+ minute episode, but try they did. Helped along by the other plot of Arthur laying off the cigars and VAT helped somewhat to make this episode more watchable.
Six episodes in and if I have one major criticism of the series, I would say Morley has taken over from Chisholm in that Daley appears to be the bane of his life and at all costs he is out to get him, just seems a bit unlikely and also feel he over acts at times.
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Post by jno on Jan 4, 2016 15:47:19 GMT
See where you're coming from there daz. I think series 8 gets better towards the end. Overall I think it's the weakest Ray series.
The pub at the end of this one - I think I must have spent months on maps hunting this down. The clue was the dodgy green interior. I noticed the same dodgy interior fittings in 'Gone With The Winchester' and got it from that.
It is the 90s 'midweek pub vibe' I like about this episide. The empty pub at the ends reminds me of midweek nights during that time - nobody in except hardcore regulars which made it ideal for a game of pool as no one was in. The pub really only existed for Friday and Saturday nights where they made enough wedge to carry them through the rest of the week.
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Post by daz on Jan 4, 2016 19:17:43 GMT
I have enjoyed series 8 in the 6 episodes, but I suppose watching them so close after watching so much of the Terry years recently has made me over critical. I just think if the writers and production crew just thought certain scenes through a little bit more they could have made some of the episodes better.
One thing I am sure of is that the acting of George Cole does help keep the episodes more interesting.
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Post by pr1 on Oct 9, 2016 20:29:08 GMT
George Cole is as brilliant as ever but Arthur's withdrawal from alcohol and cigars does get silly if not ridiculous. I did laugh when Arthur panics that Edward Fox has entered the Winchester with a gun in his crutch! Not too many shows make references to The Day of the Jackel.
I am enjoying Series Eight for the most part but the quality shifts greatly from episode to episode. This one wasn't too bad but suffers from about twenty minutes worth of plot stretched to fifty.
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Post by jno on Oct 9, 2016 20:56:58 GMT
George Cole is as brilliant as ever but Arthur's withdrawal from alcohol and cigars does get silly if not ridiculous. I did laugh when Arthur panics that Edward Fox has entered the Winchester with a gun in his crutch! Not too many shows make references to The Day of the Jackel. I am enjoying Series Eight for the most part but the quality shifts greatly from episode to episode. This one wasn't too bad but suffers from about twenty minutes worth of plot stretched to fifty. Stick with it pr1, as I've said elsewhere on here, there is a dip in the middle of series 8, but it does get better.  |
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Post by pr1 on Oct 9, 2016 21:02:16 GMT
George Cole is as brilliant as ever but Arthur's withdrawal from alcohol and cigars does get silly if not ridiculous. I did laugh when Arthur panics that Edward Fox has entered the Winchester with a gun in his crutch! Not too many shows make references to The Day of the Jackel. I am enjoying Series Eight for the most part but the quality shifts greatly from episode to episode. This one wasn't too bad but suffers from about twenty minutes worth of plot stretched to fifty. Stick with it pr1, as I've said elsewhere on here, there is a dip in the middle of series 8, but it does get better. Don't worry. I have no intention of stopping. |
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Post by daz on Aug 26, 2017 21:06:10 GMT
I watched this today on ITV4. Still a daft storyline, but a few decent Arthur one liners.
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Post by westldner on Nov 13, 2017 9:10:24 GMT
It's a decent episode. Just more way to build character really.
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Post by thewoodster on Mar 5, 2018 21:27:55 GMT
The pub scene at the tail end of this was a good watch. Bit of a stupid storyline over a few pots of paint. Nevertheless worth watching.
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Post by oufc on Aug 7, 2018 10:26:58 GMT
Watched this episode last night. Any episode of Minder is worth watching, however I agree with the posts above, this is one of the weaker Ray Daley episodes in my opinion. Was also quite amusing scene in The Winchester where it transpired that Arthur that tried every single soft drink that Dave had available and in the end had to get a glass of tap water. |
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Post by jno on Oct 7, 2018 4:24:00 GMT
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Post by pr1 on Oct 21, 2018 20:30:15 GMT
I watched this again this afternoon. It has some good moments but the episode drags and gets a bit silly at times. The music during the confrontation outside the pub is fine but seems overly dramatic to accompany what is happening on screen.
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Post by winchesterclub on Mar 27, 2020 16:50:18 GMT
Re watched today , enjoyable for me and actually some quality writing as said probably drags a bit but classic lines like
'English royal Blue paint , you got Spanish royal Blue king Carlos slaps it all over the palace "
and when Arthur see's the bowl of cereal on the table instead of a fried breakfast " you wouldn"t give that to Bugs Bunny"
keeps it above average for me
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Post by blanco on May 21, 2020 14:56:15 GMT
...in answer to what the receptionist says it's 'he's beside himself'
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Post by McCann on May 23, 2020 18:31:10 GMT
One or two good lines from Arthur, but overall very average.
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Post by jno on May 23, 2020 18:41:19 GMT
One or two good lines from Arthur, but overall very average. Does the 90s mid-week pub vibe not get it better than that? I must confess, I voted average for this one too.  For those watching these for the first time, stick with 'em, they get better than this. |
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Post by pr1 on Feb 15, 2021 3:42:13 GMT
There are some good moments throughout but this episode is more uneven than I remember it being. It is also one of the Series Eight episodes plagued with unusual music.
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Post by bigaitch on May 25, 2021 20:25:13 GMT
Fairly ordinary I thought, although some great AD comments such as ‘No thanks I have just put one out’....
The guy with the crutch in the Winchester was played by the late Christopher Mitchell who starred in Ain’t Half Hot Mum as Gunner Parkin and also appeared as Constable Hoskins in Only Fools, as a junior officer to Slater, Del Boys nemesis...
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Post by logie on Jun 27, 2021 16:21:58 GMT
Another ‘double take’ not listed on the episode guide :
Roger Brierly, who plays Donald was also in ‘Why Pay Tax’ nine years earlier as Cyril.
He was also another who did the Minder / Only Fools & Horses ‘double’, appearing as Heather’s upstairs neighbour in ‘Diamonds are for Heather’, the 1982 OFAH Christmas special.
Disappointing episode this, in my opinion; this and ‘Three Cons Make a Mountain’ are the low points of series 8.
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Post by Barrel on Dec 14, 2021 23:03:30 GMT
"Deranged Arthur" starts to grate in this one again during the mid season point of series 8 Arthur is becoming a caricature...otherwise its a good script....the fight at the end though disapoints...with the Scottish Nutter being knocked out from behind by a push my granny could've got up from........Ray holds the episode but along with ep 8 its another poor outing for the series.
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Post by jno on Dec 15, 2021 4:52:40 GMT
"Deranged Arthur" starts to grate in this one again during the mid season point of series 8 Arthur is becoming a caricature...otherwise its a good script....the fight at the end though disapoints...with the Scottish nutter being knocked out from behind by a push.Ray holds the episode but along with ep 8 its another poor outing for the series Hence the number of 'Average' votes for this one. Not a single 'Excellent' vote. |
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Post by Barrel on Dec 16, 2021 2:41:09 GMT
Yes ... the irony is a little toning down on the shining impersonation by Arthur...... and a half decent ruck at the end...that imo wouldve been all it took to elevate this episode to a half decent rating .....Ray certainly looks to me so far in my binge watch as if he has the tools to be in a decent row he showed some impressive upper body movement here....but like everyone said..the censors wanted violence toned down.....so the fights aren't looking as good in season 8 or weren't even allowed....than again the series opener seemed authentic enough...kneeling a bloke in the bollox ...punching him over a bar table and sending the other into smashing beer glasses.
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Post by manta on May 2, 2023 11:52:57 GMT
I have to agree with folks that this episode is lacking and it only just makes it to Average by my reckoning. Arthur does very well in how he responds to coping (or not coping) with laying off the booze and cigars so that got a few smiles but even that was one theme dragged out for quite a while - maybe a bit too long. Although there's some great one-liners, as always. But the rest of the plot really does limp along, including Arthur's paranoia about exactly how Benny is going to see him off. Plod, Ray and Dave all do their bit but really nothing special.
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Post by jno on May 3, 2023 3:28:07 GMT
I have to agree with folks that this episode is lacking and it only just makes it to Average by my reckoning. Arthur does very well in how he responds to coping (or not coping) with laying off the booze and cigars so that got a few smiles but even that was one theme dragged out for quite a while - maybe a bit too long. Although there's some great one-liners, as always. But the rest of the plot really does limp along, including Arthur's paranoia about exactly how Benny is going to see him off. Plod, Ray and Dave all do their bit but really nothing special. Totally agree, but the quiet pub at the end is the epitome of midweek 90s for me, love that. As pr1 mentions above, the quality of series 8 is all over the place. I've said many times Ray Daley Minder gets better into series 9 and 10. |
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Post by hollandpark on Jul 3, 2023 13:18:16 GMT
Just watched this one, I actually like it a bit better that the earlier ones in season 8 so far . When Arthur is asked " How long have you been off it" and he replies 5 hours 27 minutes , lol hilarious
And jno is correct the offie that Arthur goes to is indeed the Nest in Hanwell, its now called "The Best" and still has the wooden "Wine Cellar" decor . I was in there yesterday and recognised it straight away when I saw the episode
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Post by AlanH on Feb 26, 2024 23:56:41 GMT
Quite enjoyed this one, mainly for the Arthur off the booze 'n' cigars subplot, which was exploited to good comic effect. The vendetta over tins of paint maybe was a little hard to take in, though interesting to see Andrew McCulloch, one half of the writing team for the Doctor Who adventure Meglos (with John Flanagan being the other half), in an acting role as McLeish.
Enjoyable, but not the peak.
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Post by jno on Feb 27, 2024 4:41:55 GMT
Quite enjoyed this one, mainly for the Arthur off the booze 'n' cigars subplot, which was exploited to good comic effect. The vendetta over tins of paint maybe was a little hard to take in, though interesting to see Andrew McCulloch, one half of the writing team for the Doctor Who adventure Meglos (with John Flanagan being the other half), in an acting role as McLeish. Enjoyable, but not the peak. Agreed! Andrew McCulloch does well in this one but his character and the plot sort of falls short a bit for me and I always feel this one just could have been a lot better. I remember finding the location of the fight scene in this one and being very happy as it was tucked away out of sight and I had to use some knowledge from a previous location that had since been demolished. Finding this was real sleuthing which is very rewarding when it renders a result. Andrew McCulloch was also a semi-regular in the ITV series 'The Chief', popping up as Superintendent (later Chief Superintendent) Phil Bayldon between 1991 and 1993. His first appearances in that must have been filmed around the same time as this one in late 1990. He often seems to turn up in all sorts of shows and always does a great job often stealing a scene for me. AFAIK he's never been a lead actor which surprises me. |
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