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Post by ltd on Apr 20, 2019 17:02:47 GMT
I would like to know why this episode is left off DVD sets. I've got the bog standard Freemantle boxed set and it appears on the "specials" discs which include the two feature length episdoes. |
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Post by McCann on Jun 25, 2019 13:49:01 GMT
This is a very tight episode. No wonder it was chosen for Christmas 1984, nearly two months after 'The Balance of Power' was broadcast on 31/10/1984.
A really good episode to show someone if it's their first time watching Minder.
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Post by johnnybear on Jul 13, 2019 20:21:31 GMT
I always used to think that Jeff Pirie was really Colin Spaul! I even asked him once on FB about this Minder episode and he was none the wiser and even stated that he had been in a Ray episode and not a Terry!  JB |
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Post by Toecutter on Nov 26, 2019 18:42:25 GMT
One of my all time fave episodes,but I always cringe when 'Ted' says 'No no...leave off,I'll do it' then flashes a note when Tasty offers to get the drinks in.(just watching ITV4 recording from today)
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Post by Twin2 on Nov 27, 2019 9:51:52 GMT
No, I have the UK 20-disc box set, The Dennis Waterman Years. It would appear that the ep in question is unavailable in the UK. Wait, what?! I have that set too and didn't realise this one was missing.
Good job I am reading through this thread first as I set it to record on +1 and not just remind me when it starts, absolute classic episode and I would have hated to miss it completely.
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Post by VAT on Nov 27, 2019 18:09:37 GMT
No, I have the UK 20-disc box set, The Dennis Waterman Years. It would appear that the ep in question is unavailable in the UK. Wait, what?! I have that set too and didn't realise this one was missing.
Good job I am reading through this thread first as I set it to record on +1 and not just remind me when it starts, absolute classic episode and I would have hated to miss it completely.
Just for info - as ltd mentioned...its on the Freemantle set  |
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Post by Twin2 on Nov 28, 2019 9:50:29 GMT
Wait, what?! I have that set too and didn't realise this one was missing.
Good job I am reading through this thread first as I set it to record on +1 and not just remind me when it starts, absolute classic episode and I would have hated to miss it completely.
Just for info - as ltd mentioned...its on the Freemantle set Thanks (bit of a girly panic there from me!) I'll look out for the Freemantle set  |
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Post by stu71 on Dec 24, 2019 13:59:20 GMT
This is one of my favourite Minder episodes. Some tremendous lines and the interaction between Chisholm and Rycott is superb. The crash scene outside the pub is one of the best scenes ever.
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Post by jno on Mar 15, 2020 8:10:16 GMT
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Post by greener1981 on Mar 23, 2020 11:25:19 GMT
What a fantastic episode this is, Tasty is acted brilliantly!
I tried to get to The Havelock Tavern (Greg’s local boozer) a year ago but unfortunately they weren’t open yet...looks to have changed quite a bit having a nose in the window!
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Post by madaboutdeltics on Apr 28, 2020 10:50:02 GMT
Brian Capron is very good in this and also played one of the greatest Coronation Street villains Dr Richard Hillman.
Also noticed the excellent Tony Caunter as DI Norton
Another soap legend as played Roy Evans for many years in Eastenders.
Another thing of interest is the unusual brown Peugeot 604 in the background when they are training the Greyhound on Old Oak Common at the beginning which also crops up again outside The Crown pub later in the episode.
Presume this must be owned by one of the film crew, but a very rare car these days.
Fantastic episode.
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Post by barrythebook on Apr 28, 2020 15:36:41 GMT
Another thing of interest is the unusual brown Peugeot 604 in the background when they are training the Greyhound on Old Oak Common at the beginning which also crops up again outside The Crown pub later in the episode. Very good spot mabtd There's a few vehicles which appear in several episodes and this may be another one to look out for. On the same subject - the white Chevanne that's seen unloading booze into Fred and Teds drinking club seems familiar. I'm wondering if it was used in the episode when Arthur buys a load of football boots? Also, when Terry goes to the flat to look for Ted, he says to the woman, "I'm looking for Ted - blonde curly hair.", Ted didn't have curly hair. |
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Post by jno on Apr 28, 2020 17:16:36 GMT
Another thing of interest is the unusual brown Peugeot 604 in the background when they are training the Greyhound on Old Oak Common at the beginning which also crops up again outside The Crown pub later in the episode. Very good spot mabtd There's a few vehicles which appear in several episodes and this may be another one to look out for. On the same subject - the white Chevanne that's seen unloading booze into Fred and Teds drinking club seems familiar. I'm wondering if it was used in the episode when Arthur buys a load of football boots? The Chevanne has been on minder.org's dodgy motors page for years (scroll down to see pics): www.minder.org/cars/dodgymotors.htm#series5 |
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Post by logie on May 1, 2020 9:58:25 GMT
Well, I am surprised reading the comments on this - I was expecting much more negativity toward this outing.
Watched it last night, and I wasn't impressed at all. In fact, majorly disappointed as it seemed to have so much going for it - episode written by Tony Hoare (pound-for-pound the best Minder writer, in my opinion), a rare episode featuring Chisholm, Jones, Rycott and Mellish. Also the fact that series 5 has probably been the strongest overall so far, for me, with only 'the Second Time Around' being less than four stars.
However, given that this was broadcast as a Christmas special, and is left off some series 5 box-sets, I shall treat it as a stand-alone episode so as not not to detract from the overall quality of the series.
So my gripes : the three 'villains' were so badly acted and scarcely believable; Brian Capron has shown up in a lot of things, and is usually very good but here - alongside his sidekick - he seems to be reading from a script, their whole scenes (and with 'Tasty') just seem to be straight out of drama school, there's no craft to them at all. And because of this, the scam just seems so obvious and I find it hard to believe that somebody so experienced and worldly-wise as Arthur would fall for it for a minute. (I seem to remember there's an episode in the Ray years - 'Three Cons Make a Mountain' - which I have similar issues with).
If Arthur was really this naiive, he wouldn't have lasted five minutes in the world in which he dwelt - even with Terry & Ray looking out for him.
Also, I fail to see how 'Tasty' would have thought he was going to get anything out of the whole affair, other than a beating from Terry and a whole lot of grief from the old bill when they discover he is attempting to play them off against one another - remember, being a 'grass' in the 80s could have serious health repercussions if you were tumbled, and they were pretty reliant on some form of protection from those who they were informing to. Being a 'double agent' could have opened oneself up to some SERIOUS demolition from friend or foe alike.
But thankfully, there are a few saving graces, without which this episode would have been a rare 2 star outing for me. The side story with the greyhound was very amusing, particularly at the end when it (perhaps predictably) came good resulting in some great facial work from GC, and of course the aforementioned action with the four Marx Brothers - particularly the collision, and the dressing down they receive from their superior, as well as Chisholm's plaintive "MY NAME IS ALBERT!" are very good, along with Jones' visits to the Winchester and his crawling into work four hours late.
But overall, a major disappointment in my opinion, far too cringeworthy for large parts, and only 3 stars (but toward the lower end of the 'average' epsiodes) - and I feel I'm being generous with those.
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Post by daz on May 1, 2020 11:15:57 GMT
Well, I am surprised reading the comments on this - I was expecting much more negativity toward this outing. Watched it last night, and I wasn't impressed at all. In fact, majorly disappointed as it seemed to have so much going for it - episode written by Tony Hoare (pound-for-pound the best Minder writer, in my opinion), a rare episode featuring Chisholm, Jones, Rycott and Mellish. Also the fact that series 5 has probably been the strongest overall so far, for me, with only 'the Second Time Around' being less than four stars. However, given that this was broadcast as a Christmas special, and is left off some series 5 box-sets, I shall treat it as a stand-alone episode so as not not to detract from the overall quality of the series. So my gripes : the three 'villains' were so badly acted and scarcely believable; Brian Capron has shown up in a lot of things, and is usually very good but here - alongside his sidekick - he seems to be reading from a script, their whole scenes (and with 'Tasty') just seem to be straight out of drama school, there's no craft to them at all. And because of this, the scam just seems so obvious and I find it hard to believe that somebody so experienced and worldly-wise as Arthur would fall for it for a minute. (I seem to remember there's an episode in the Ray years - 'Three Cons Make a Mountain' - which I have similar issues with). If Arthur was really this naiive, he wouldn't have lasted five minutes in the world in which he dwelt - even with Terry & Ray looking out for him. Also, I fail to see how 'Tasty' would have thought he was going to get anything out of the whole affair, other than a beating from Terry and a whole lot of grief from the old bill when they discover he is attempting to play them off against one another - remember, being a 'grass' in the 80s could have serious health repercussions if you were tumbled, and they were pretty reliant on some form of protection from those who they were informing to. Being a 'double agent' could have opened oneself up to some SERIOUS demolition from friend or foe alike. But thankfully, there are a few saving graces, without which this episode would have been a rare 2 star outing for me. The side story with the greyhound was very amusing, particularly at the end when it (perhaps predictably) came good resulting in some great facial work from GC, and of course the aforementioned action with the four Marx Brothers - particularly the collision, and the dressing down they receive from their superior, as well as Chisholm's plaintive "MY NAME IS ALBERT!" are very good, along with Jones' visits to the Winchester and his crawling into work four hours late. But overall, a major disappointment in my opinion, far too cringeworthy for large parts, and only 3 stars (but toward the lower end of the 'average' epsiodes) - and I feel I'm being generous with those. I'm surprised to read your review Logie, as I for one think it is a classic, but fair do's, your opinion is worth as much as anyones. |
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Post by logie on May 1, 2020 16:34:19 GMT
Cheers. And I'm not the first to mark it as 'average';someone did get there before me  Care to identify yourself?  |
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Post by logie on May 1, 2020 19:11:37 GMT
Anyone that votes less than Good for this one deserves a spanking!  Sorry mate!  I've got my tin hat on. I'm ready...  |
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Post by pr1 on May 1, 2020 19:38:01 GMT
Anyone that votes less than Good for this one deserves a spanking! Sorry mate! I've got my tin hat on. I'm ready... You're perfectly safe.  One of the things I enjoy most about the Forum is we can all freely share our opinions. I think this episode is great. You don't agree. That's fine with me. If we all liked the same things the Forum and life in general would be boring. |
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Post by barrythebook on May 1, 2020 19:55:04 GMT
As daz says logie, each to their own but the epsiodes saving graces you mention are actually my least favourite parts.
The Greyhound sideline I found quite cheesy, especially watching Terry on that bike contraption and Rycotts car crashing into Chisholm was also cringeworthy, I just don't see this as a realistic scenario.
I know what you mean about Tasty taking a risky stance, trying to be everyones friend.
I wonder how many times Tasty, Ted and Fred had pulled this scam before and got away with it?
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Post by coyote on May 3, 2020 2:01:21 GMT
Great episode but I also found the greyhound side-plot unnecessary and somewhat reminiscent of the second Steptoe film!! But the Chisholm vs Rycott storyline more than made up for it and it was good to see Terry dole out a bit of violence, albeit nothing like as much as Arthur wanted.
It seems crashing police cars into each other is the way to get upgraded - from an old Hillman and a ropey old Marina more reminiscent of the early series rather than the Montego Charlie and Taff had in previous episodes. Guess the cost of crashing modern cars was more important to Euston than obviously putting the police in old bangers that would never still have been part of any police fleet. Anyway... both pairs got Mk3 Cortinas - Rycott and Melish's black one was nothing special and I think I've seen it before but the red one that Taff drives into shot and stops pretty quickly was a fairly smart late model.
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Post by jno on May 3, 2020 2:13:58 GMT
In the 'Excellent' category for me. If someone had never seen Minder before, this one is a definite candidate for getting someone straight into the show. |
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Post by jno on May 9, 2020 3:49:32 GMT
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Post by nationalpelmet on Jun 7, 2020 14:42:58 GMT
First class episode. Terry on the bike 😆 Arthur’s face when he hears Ernie’s suggestion with the mustard. And when Arthur asks “Mr Chisholm, Mr Rycott do you need a witness”, Terrys facial expression behind him says it all 😂. And that line Tasty comes out with, really sums up Arthur don’t it “Arthur, loves a deal”. HIS NAME IS ALBERT !!!
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Post by baz171075 on Dec 26, 2020 19:09:13 GMT
first shown on this date back in 1984, a Christmas episode that could have been shown anytime in the year, a great episode
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One of the things I enjoy most about the Forum is we can all freely share our opinions. I think this episode is great. You don't agree. That's fine with me. If we all liked the same things the Forum and life in general would be boring.
