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Post by jno on Mar 9, 2015 16:30:02 GMT
Link to episode on minder.org: www.minder.org/episodeguide/S02E03_YouLoseSomeYouWinSome.htm I like this one where Maurice is using his "teamwork" system to beat the house. It is interesting to see Sidney Livingstone playing a hard man 'George' as it is light years away from Bert character that we all know from the later Ray Daley series. We learn a little bit more about Maurice in this one as he tells Arthur he has "two kids at Millfield". This is the only time we see Maurice's wife Maureen who he is clearly scared to death of. This episode features a lot of Gennie Nevinson as Terry's girlfriend Penny. This one is written by Jeremy Burnham, who also wrote "The Old School Tie" later in the series. There is a very strange scene in the lockup when Arthur hands Terry and Maurice a scalding hot cup of tea - I have never know why that was necessary other than to fill out an extra few seconds of dialogue. The same thing happens again later when Arthur is given a cup at Terry's drum the next morning. There are some bit of dialogue in this from, particularly from Arthur: "What was it Karl Marx said 'You can resist anything except temptation?'" / "You need some evening schmutter Terrence!" / "Whoever I stick with they all seem to hit a losing streak" to which Penny replies "Yes Arthur, that's what I keep telling Terry!" / (after being forced to kip at Terry's flat): "I've got to get out of here, even 'er indoors is better than this!" / (after Maurice see the chips being pinched off the table Arthur tells Maurice to leave it and not to cause trouble with the casino owner Parsons) to which Maurice says: "Two grand? Arthur you're not well!" and Arthur replies "I will be if I go in there!" A greatline from The Major also (about Terry's flat): "I was more comfortable in Kenya fighting the Mau Mau" A few too many erronoeous 'on-lookers' in this episode: 1) as Maurice and Terry arrive at Brent Cross, two women and a child are watching the action as are a few people on the escalators. 2) when Maurice says "She's no gambler" when referring to Sadie back in house there is a chap looking through the window of his house Not the funniest of episodes this one, but indeed a great episode from series 2 this one that has dodgy deals, gambling, Terry getting agg off Penny, Arthur & Maurice both treating Terry very badly, a punch up, a yellow Lotus - what else could you want? Well, perhaps 'a Welsh bit' in the form of Beth Morris. After appearing in this she would go on to star in "Taff Acre" written by Minder's own Michael 'Taff Jones' Povey.
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Post by barrythebook on Mar 9, 2015 21:40:49 GMT
Cracking episode again. Maurice going upmarket in this one after playing cards at the very dodgy looking Turkish/Cypriot club in 'Aces High and Sometimes Very Low'.
I think Terry gives in far too easily when it comes to sharing the wages in this one. Arthurs excuse about what he spent at the Casino being 'legitimate expenses' wouldn't usually have washed with Terry I think.
Another interesting fact about this episode which was mentioned on another forum ( sorry, can't remember who by) is that the location used for Maurices flat was also used in 'The Long Good Friday' as Harold Shands' residence.
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Post by jno on Mar 10, 2015 5:06:54 GMT
Another interesting fact about this episode which was mentioned on another forum ( sorry, can't remember who by) is that the location used for Maurices flat was also used in 'The Long Good Friday' as Harold Shands' residence. Yes - Maurice's place in 'Aces High' is the same as in 'The Long Good Friday' and thanks to my old pal VAT and his paperwork for this episode it can be found at 9 Elm Lodge, River Gardens, Stevenage Rd, Fulham, SW6 - or here: goo.gl/maps/XqZuDWhen Maurice returns in this one "You Win Some You Lose Some", he is at 22 West Hill Park, Camden - this info courtesy of my pal 'nry' who I know spent weeks trawling G Maps and Bing to get it. Our very own Felix De Burgh got down there to take some pics: www.minder.org/locations/S02E03_YouLoseSomeYouWinSome.htmA great bit of work from everyone to get all this info. I agree with you about Terry giving in too easily in this one btb. It is nice to see them ALL in dinner jackets in this episode, not seen again I believe until 'Minder On The Orient Express'.
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Post by emmo26 on Mar 21, 2015 19:53:14 GMT
does any one here know in detail, what the winning system was??
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Post by barrythebook on Mar 22, 2015 0:51:00 GMT
According to Arthur it was "safety in numbers", which Maurice seemed to agree with but there must have been more to it than that.
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Post by Celvin on Mar 22, 2015 12:30:21 GMT
The system referred to is complete rubbish. I think it detracts from the episode a little as roulette is around 2% in the favour of the 'house'. There is no way around this no matter how many people team up together. Of course you can get lucky, but there is no system for beating the table, unlike the earlier episode with Maurice when he is shown to be a poker player, which is a game of skill in that a practised player can take money from less skilled players.
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Post by VAT on Mar 22, 2015 19:00:25 GMT
Yes - Maurice's place in 'Aces High' is the same as in 'The Long Good Friday' and thanks to my old pal VAT and his paperwork for this episode it can be found at 9 Elm Lodge, River Gardens, Stevenage Rd, Fulham, SW6 - or here: goo.gl/maps/XqZuDCheers jno (and to nry of course for his ever sterling work...). I love this ep too, as jno says, has lots of dodgy goings on which early Minder was great for. The one thing I've always thought was when Maurice was driving back home after losing (first game) and he barks to Terry "Quiet" (at the traffic lights) until his music finishes...I know he was probably very stressed out off after losing etc...but a bit harsh in my book! Tell was only there to hep him out...but Maurice wasa great character, real shame we never saw more of him....
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Post by jno on May 6, 2015 3:56:21 GMT
Without wanting to turn this into an appreciation thread: I tried to get in touch with Beth a few years ago to ask her about 'Minder' but sadly she seems to have dropped out of the business these days. Her last agent based in Cardiff no longer has any idea where she is. Wikipedia says she is from Barry originally (the home of 'Gavin & Stacey') though IMDB has her down as from Gorseinon near Swansea (near nixonuk's manor). She also worked with Meic Povey on his 'Taff Acre' series just after being in Minder. She has been in lots of popular shows over the years as her imdb record shows: ( www.imdb.com/name/nm0606384/?mode=desktop&ref_=m_ft_dsk ) She is an excellent addition to this episode I think.
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Post by albert on Jul 9, 2015 10:56:33 GMT
Just been watching this one again on ITV4 waiting for the cricket, and noticed Arthur says to Maurice "word is you done a packet at Crockford's..." (or something like that) which is why he's skint. Anyone know what he means? Is this some (rhyming) slang or just some fictional casino on the Minder manor...? Also, can't decide which is lovelier - Beth or Maurice's tie!? hehe.
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Post by felixdeburgh on Jul 9, 2015 11:35:51 GMT
Crockford's was a gambling club in Mayfair, ironically where we see Freddie Fenton leaving in his Rolls Royce.
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Post by albert on Jul 9, 2015 13:10:04 GMT
Thank you! :-)
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Post by nixonuk on Jul 10, 2015 20:34:12 GMT
She can't be from Gorseinon she is a pretty girl :-)
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Post by myinspiration on Sept 14, 2015 21:27:23 GMT
Having really enjoyed Maurice's debut in the Aces High episode, I was pleased to see him reappear for this one.
I've watched it two or three times now, but I have to say that I don't feel that Maurice is as interesting as he was in his previous outing. There's too many other characters in the episode which detract from developing his character.
It's a good episode, but Anthony Valentine was wasted in this one. I really wish they'd have brought him back a couple more times before 1988 as he was one of the best characters.
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Post by barrythebook on Sept 15, 2015 19:22:51 GMT
'Aces high' was a lot grittier than 'You Win some, You Lose Some' and I found it a little strange to see Maurice jump from a very seedy private drinking den to a rather upmarket casino. I agree, I also think it would have been good to see the character a few more times, in between the these two episodes, so that we could see the transition from small time poker player to casino punter.
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Post by glazbury on Sept 16, 2015 16:25:49 GMT
Another interesting fact about this episode which was mentioned on another forum ( sorry, can't remember who by) is that the location used for Maurices flat was also used in 'The Long Good Friday' as Harold Shands' residence. Yes - Maurice's place in 'Aces High' is the same as in 'The Long Good Friday' and thanks to my old pal VAT and his paperwork for this episode it can be found at 9 Elm Lodge, River Gardens, Stevenage Rd, Fulham, SW6 - or here: goo.gl/maps/XqZuDWhen Maurice returns in this one "You Win Some You Lose Some", he is at 22 West Hill Park, Camden - this info courtesy of my pal 'nry' who I know spent weeks trawling G Maps and Bing to get it. Our very own Felix De Burgh got down there to take some pics: www.minder.org/locations/S02E03_YouLoseSomeYouWinSome.htmMaurice's house in this episode (22 West Hill Park) is also used in 'The Professionals' episode 'The Untouchables' as Hollis's house.
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Post by glazbury on Sept 21, 2015 23:46:10 GMT
When Terry returns to the Casino to confront Parsons about the disappearance of Maurice's wife, one of Parsons heavies in the background looks very much like Michael Povey (DC Jones). I don't think it's him though, as I'm sure he would have mentioned it to jno.
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Post by jno on Sept 22, 2015 5:43:00 GMT
When Terry returns to the Casino to confront Parsons about the disappearance of Maurice's wife, one of Parsons heavies in the background looks very much like Michael Povey (DC Jones). I don't think it's him though, as I'm sure he would have mentioned it to jno. It's definitely not him. There is also an extra in 'The Dessert Song' that looks a lot like Meic, but Meic has 100% never done any 'extras' work - I have asked him about this.
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Post by daz on Sept 30, 2015 21:27:45 GMT
Gave this a watch in my quest to watch the entire box set in its proper order.
Another cracking episode, with Anthony Valentine back as Maurice, has to be one of my favourite characters in Minder. George Cole has some good scenes and lines in this one, which are probably made all the better by his peerless acting.
I thought the heavy in the casino was played by Jones also, and another looked like the guy who played Ray Daley's father. Lynda Baron played the character Sadie superbly, she does have an authentic scrubber look about her. Peggy Thorpe Bates, also had a role in it as one of Maurices team, she is best known to me for playing Hilda Rumpole in Rumpole of the Bailey, one of my favourite programmes.
The Wife is off for a few days with the kids during the October holiday, so hoping for a few days off watching Minder, interspersed with a little DIY
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Post by barrythebook on Sept 30, 2015 21:43:54 GMT
I thought the heavy, and another looked like the guy who played Ray Daley's father. Yes it was. Amazing how a few years and a stutter can change someone!
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Post by daytona355 on Nov 28, 2015 7:55:54 GMT
Watched this last night, really harks back to a time when anything goes, and frequently did, in the clubs around London. The upmarket casino was really little better than the seedy clubs to Maurice, they just served better food and had cleaner facilities, the guys in charge were just as vicious, but better dressed!
Been in a few situations like that myself over my formative years, and just like Terry, some you lose, some you win. In my day, I would probably have been concentrating on getting lessons from the Welsh lady too!
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Post by jno on Nov 30, 2015 12:11:33 GMT
A little review from The Guardian dated 26th Sept 1980:
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Post by daytona355 on Nov 30, 2015 22:15:08 GMT
How do you find these gems? Awesome to read
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Post by jno on Dec 9, 2015 7:33:52 GMT
How do you find these gems? Awesome to read
Here's another one from the The Daily Mirror on Thu 25th Sept 1980 about this episode. Pamela Manson played the 'Woman At The Health Farm'.
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Post by mrmukerjee on Dec 22, 2015 20:04:15 GMT
I really enjoyed this episode. It was good to see Lynda Baron as Sadie, and the very youthful "Dorien" (Lesley Joseph) as Mrs Michaelson. Not much action, but Sadie hurling a glass at Terry and Maurice's "I'll duck, you hit him" routine in the car park made me chuckle. Can't say I'd ever seen this before. There must be several episodes of the first few series that I haven't seen. Still makes excellent entertainment 35 years on.
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Post by vicboy on Dec 22, 2015 22:44:04 GMT
Years and years ago someone told me a story about the little close that the last episode of this episode was filmed in...
But for the life of me I cannot remember it now!
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Post by jno on Dec 23, 2015 5:17:17 GMT
Years and years ago someone told me a story about the little close that the last episode of this episode was filmed in... But for the life of me I cannot remember it now! Well it might be that a bloke looks through the window of the house? The estate is also gated - our felix knows all about it.
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Post by felixdeburgh on Dec 23, 2015 6:46:51 GMT
Indeed I do
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Post by pr1 on Feb 20, 2016 10:14:59 GMT
Fun to see Anthony Valentine again with our heroes. I was amused at how much the shopping center resembled American shopping malls of the same period. The only thing I didn't like about the episode was the music. It's diabolical even by the standards of 1980!
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Post by flyingsquad on Feb 21, 2016 16:23:15 GMT
I always liked Anthony Valentine as Maurice Michaelson. I would have liked to have seen him in more episodes as he was my favourite recurring guest character in the early series.
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Post by barrythebook on Feb 21, 2016 22:16:10 GMT
I always liked Anthony Valentine as Maurice Michaelson. I would have liked to have seen him in more episodes as he was my favourite recurring guest character in the early series. A possible plot line which could have been followed would have been for Maurice to run his own small casino/gambling club. Terry could have had regular work there as a doorman and I'm sure Arthur would have found many ways to make a few quid too.
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