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Post by jno on Feb 27, 2015 10:39:44 GMT
Link to episode on minder.org: www.minder.org/episodeguide/S09E02_NoWayToTreatADaley.htm
Arthur is kidnapped in this one by Warren (played by Richard Ridings) and taken to Tilbury Power Station. It is down to Ray to come to his rescue but Arthur has his own plans to get out of trouble. I like it! There is a minor time blooper in this one - Ray and Gloria are supposed to meet at 8 PM. When Ray fails to appear they eventually go back to the petrol station and it is still daytime? (Big thanks to Matt from Australia for this info.) |
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Post by nixonuk on Jul 23, 2015 4:37:18 GMT
Love how Arthur gets out of schtuk but something about the episode doesn't ring right for me.
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Post by jno on Jul 23, 2015 5:29:28 GMT
Love how Arthur gets out of schtuk but something about the episode doesn't ring right for me. I agree and this is probably down to Tony Pike - the much played up psycho villain who promises so much but delivers so little. Throughout the whole thing we're led to believe he is a kneecap breaker but in fact Ray has him over in a few seconds. Clearly the sort of person he's been taking for a night on the marshes is the sort that can't or don't want to put up a fight. Credit to Ray here though, he does all he can to track down Arthur and this is all about 'family'. Despite Pike falling at the first, Ray is very much playing detective at the expense of a harmonious relationship with the much put upon but delightful Gloria. |
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Post by hmx on Oct 16, 2015 21:20:50 GMT
I looked up Richard Ridings on Wikipedia after watching this episode on ITV4 a few weeks ago; I was interested to find that he is/was the voice of "Daddy Pig" from Peppa Pig! (Trying to picture Daddy Pig saying "you have trodden on the forbidden lawn!!")
I really liked the sequences at the power station where Arthur is listening and talking to Warren about his history, his father and how he came to work with Tony Pike. I thought it showed a more thoughtful and compassionate side of Arthur, which, possibly we all like to think he has but is rarely shown to the viewer. Warren himself turned out to be somewhat contemplative and quite insightful at times and seemingly sharing an appreciation for quotes and phrases.
It was haunting hearing Ray screaming "Arthur!" when he's on the marshes at dawn, thinking he was too late but happily a feel-good ending seeing Arthur safe and Warren liberated!
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Post by pr1 on Nov 7, 2016 0:54:25 GMT
I liked this one. Lots of fine moments through out the episode. The highlight for me were the scenes with Arthur and Warren. Tony Pike is presented as a ruthless villain but turns out to be what many bullies are when push comes to shove, a blustering coward. I don't think Pike's reputation survives after his encounter with Ray.
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Post by glazbury on May 29, 2017 15:20:34 GMT
I remember watching this episode when it was originally broadcast - I really wanted Ray to give Tony Pike a good hiding!
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Post by alf on Jul 5, 2017 22:52:12 GMT
You have trodden on the forbidden lawns!
Some nice dialogue and Mr. Cole always delivers
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Post by rog73 on May 9, 2018 7:03:16 GMT
Memorable one this.
The scenes at the old power station are very atmospheric, and Warren is a good character.
My only complaint would be that we don’t see Arthur actually convince Warren to let him go. One minute he’s saying you won’t soften me, then next minute he’s getting out of his van back in London.
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Post by thewoodster on May 14, 2018 10:51:11 GMT
Memorable one this. The scenes at the old power station are very atmospheric, and Warren is a good character. My only complaint would be that we don’t see Arthur actually convince Warren to let him go. One minute he’s saying you won’t soften me, then next minute he’s getting out of his van back in London. Rog73 I agree,always felt like there was a missing scene to explain this. |
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Post by leaveitoutjohn on May 8, 2019 18:59:10 GMT
I think I've spotted Paul Broughton (Eddie Banks off Brookside) uncredited as a boxer
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Post by jno on May 9, 2019 2:37:46 GMT
Memorable one this. The scenes at the old power station are very atmospheric, and Warren is a good character. My only complaint would be that we don’t see Arthur actually convince Warren to let him go. One minute he’s saying you won’t soften me, then next minute he’s getting out of his van back in London. Rog73 I agree,always felt like there was a missing scene to explain this. I understand this, but I like the fact they leave it up to the viewer. I think the idea is you are concerned for Ray right up to the last and we learn that when desperate times call for desperate measures, Arthur uses what he can i.e. his patter, to talk himself out of danger by manipulating Warren to save his skin. How he did is a trade secret of course, but we know he can. |
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Post by McCann on Jun 7, 2020 16:47:05 GMT
Really liked this one on viewing it for about the third time. It's good, but just not enough to warrant the score of excellent. Desmond McNamara's 2nd appearance in Minder, ten years after he flogged those fruity mags to Arthur in 'Another Bride, Another Groom' Nice cameo by a young Andrew Marr, driving his 928 Porker and all  . |
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Post by Toecutter on Sept 23, 2020 21:10:27 GMT
Apart from the Arthur/Warren scenes,this is just awful.
Watching this again...Goes from 'anyone seen Arthur' to 'Arthurs been kidnapped' in about 15 seconds.
The guy who hadn't a clue where he was taken,takes Ray straight to it.Worst tv villain by a neck to Denny(just call it a grand)Willis(?)
This ep sums up the main problems with the Ray years...Just far too much plot implausibility.
Maybe just trying too hard to make it different to the Terry years,or reintroducing the violent edge of the early original episodes anyways.
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Post by bigaitch on May 5, 2021 18:11:24 GMT
I only watched this the other night for the first time, once again quite lax on my part. I thoroughly enjoyed this episode. I think Warren is brilliantly played by Richard Ridings who is a very underrated actor. ‘You have trodden on the forbidden lawns’ is a phrase that has stuck with me and I am awaiting the right time to use it. Sad, I know!
I also agree with some of the comments on here that it would have been very good to see the bully, Pike duffed up, preferably in front of his trophy Mrs....just to show him for what he was. Also, it would have been seen the culmination of Arthur’s manipulation of Warren with the point he decided to let Arthur go and walk away into a better life.
A final comment on the location guide. The nearest station shown for the site of the former power station is Tilbury and also Purfleet. As the crow flies that may be the case although The Thames is a significant hurdle. Erith or Belvedere stations may well be the nearest for anyone seeking to visit....
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Post by pr1 on May 17, 2021 22:06:32 GMT
I think this is only the second time I have watched Series/Season Nine. I didn’t remember anything about this episode so it was like seeing it for the first time. Not great but a good, solid episode. Lots of fine moments through out and good bits of characterization for Ray and Arthur.
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Post by pr1 on May 17, 2021 22:06:45 GMT
I think this is only the second time I have watched Series/Season Nine. I didn’t remember anything about this episode so it was like seeing it for the first time. Not great but a good, solid episode. Lots of fine moments through out and good bits of characterization for Ray and Arthur.
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Post by logie on Jun 27, 2021 21:26:49 GMT
Didn’t care for this one I’m afraid. Much as I enjoy the majority of the Ray years, there are a handful of episodes I haven’t watched since they first aired and this was one of them. I can see why.
The Tony Pike character is a joke - how did he ever develop a reputation for anything? And fine actors Richard Ridings and Desmond McNamara are really wasted in their roles. Thankfully, this was followed up by one of the very best episodes of both eras.
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Post by azza200 on Jul 27, 2021 9:15:50 GMT
Tony Pike is a terrible villain not menacing or scary at all despite his reputation on the manor
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Post by jno on Aug 5, 2021 4:39:03 GMT
Tony Pike is a terrible villain not menacing or scary at all despite his reputation on the manor I think I said this before, he promises way more than he delivers. What is good is that the viewer is left to think that he is way worse than he turns out to be. |
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Post by freddiefenton on Aug 15, 2021 7:10:39 GMT
Thought the episode was okay but as I find in general with the Ray years, it lacks a certain edge.
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Post by Barrel on Dec 23, 2021 23:42:29 GMT
Really enjoyed this episode gave it an excellent. The scenes in Tilbury,with that location, had that gritty feel of the early Terry years. I spent a little time in the late 2000s working in the area and it was a atmospheric wasteland . Like everyone else I couldn't beleive the muppet casting of Tony Pike as this invincible gangland boss living in what must be a £15 million pound mansion,whimpering like a defeated dog at the first sign of dissent,without even having taken the hiding he so richly deserved for being such a nasty piece of work.
Warren and the character playing him was excellent.Just the kind of product of the great reservoir of British acting talent back than.
Im noticing at the start of season 9 that Ray has noticeably filled out...hard to beleive with 2021 eyes that he's only 26 here looks more like 33-34.But he's certainly agile enough though with that stunt jumping the apple and pears and he conducts himself like a bona fide hardman in this episode proving he's very tasty with his hands and fists after all and not a pale shadow of Terry at all. That was one of my only gripes about season 8 that way too often Ray was either seen walking away ( fleeing through the window in the mad Scotsmen episode) , getting hammered ( as he did in the pub in Guess whose coming to Pinner) or the fights were very watered down ( climactic fight vs Scotsman and his cronies was almost a victory by default Ray never really put his back into it). In keeping with that gritty early 80s feel to the Tilbury scenes, I'd have loved it if Ray distraught at the disappearance of his beloved uncle Arthur, lost control and slapped Pike around, did him a right mischief before throwing him down the stairs like a rag doll.
( Sorry for sounding so violent this evening:-))
In retrospect I wonder what ITV or the writers were so worried about.Over on the BBC the same year we were seeing the Mitchell brothers running amok with Grant beating Eddie Royal within an inch of his life. Than a week later they both joined forces to take on a mob rioting in the Queen Vic... the fights were real and intense over on the BBC. Id have liked it if the writers showed Ray go berserk because he's more than proven he's a good lad and kind hearted the viewers wouldn't have minded!
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Post by azza200 on Oct 18, 2022 8:58:37 GMT
Was watching Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy (2011) and noticed Philip Martin Brown (Tony Pike) had a small role in it
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Post by manta on Jun 9, 2023 19:32:28 GMT
I'm not a fan of this episode and it struggles to make Average. The idea of a big crook getting his comeuppance as his underlings revolt has got potential as a story line - but this was not how to do it. And I wouldn't agree that the Arthur/Warren stuff is thoughtful and compassionate - it's Arthur just being clever to work out what he needs to say to get Warren on his side, isn't it? However, I did really like it when Gloria gets behind the camera and Arthur tries to tell her what to do - "Have you got it in that little square?" "Not all fuzzy" - that truly belongs in the top drawer. Emma Cunningham really came out of her shell and wasn't just Ray's girlfriend. But the rest - as others have said the Pike character wasn't credible, his sidekick was dissing him from the off, he didn't even raise a fist to Ray - nah. And Ray's running around to find Arthur was all a bit much - maybe it would have worked if everything else hung together but sadly it didn't. So apart from Gloria's shoot, not much to shout about, IMHO.
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