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Post by jno on Feb 17, 2015 16:46:44 GMT
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Post by daz on May 26, 2016 10:33:33 GMT
No reviews of this episode? I enjoyed this one, one of my favourite scenes of any Minder episode, was when the Police were about to raid the lock up and Arthur hides the jewellery in the filing cabinet. I just loved that scene.
Arthur retire, never. Ray might be up to speed with modern business practises, but he has a long way to go to learn the guile of his uncle Arthur.
A good episode this, some great dialogue, good characters, good to see Liz Fraser in this episode, and some top filming locations, just runs along nicely. I have to admit I do like seeing Rays dad in the series, I find him a good character who brightens up most episodes.
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Post by jno on Aug 18, 2016 6:14:04 GMT
Some good points there daz. I like Gerry 'Bechers' Brook in this one, it was nice to see that even in later Minder episodes there were still a lot of nasty types looking to fit people up. I think Bechers is definitely a candidate for someone who should have made a second appearance in the show. This episode always seems like it could have been a precursor/pilot to a little Ray Daley spin-off and/or what Minder might have been like had Gary Webster contemplated going it alone without GC. Both Alf and Monty are interesting in this too, more folks in Arthur's world who are both 'dodgy pretending to be straight' types that often appear in Minder. Two things I love in this one - Ray computerising the lock up on an 80x25 character MS-DOS based database program and an early Ryan Air sticker at the travel agents. The only thing really bad about it was the inconsistency regarding Arthur having kids. Always very enjoyable to watch this one.  |
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Post by Terry on Aug 18, 2016 19:52:26 GMT
Ray computerising the lock up on an 80x25 character MS-DOS based database program Back in the day this was pure rocket science...  I felt the same in 2006 when starting my current job and the bank was then still using OS/2 Warp... |
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Post by jno on Aug 18, 2016 20:54:34 GMT
In this one, Ray looks like he has used Borland Paradox or some sort of dBase version.  |
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Post by Celvin on Aug 19, 2016 15:03:30 GMT
Was just watching this episode online for the umpteenth time. It is an enjoyable one. However I do think that there should have been more returning characters in Minder. Some of the episodes 'stand alone' a little too much I feel, characters are often introduced when everyone knows them except the audience! This one contains 'Hapless' Harry, whose reputation among the regulars is clear and yet we never hear of him before or after. Obviously at the time people tuning in for the first time could enjoy viewing without needing to know much background, however when I know every episode it is a bit jarring when characters are sledge hammered into a storyline.
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Post by ltd on Aug 26, 2016 6:05:11 GMT
The only thing really bad about it eas the inconsistency regarding Arthur having kids. Is this the episode where someone says Arthur hasn't got anyone to succeed him in his business? I took that as possibly meaning that his kids were "straight" i.e. having grown up with the trappings of bourgeois respectability they weren't really suited or inclined towards a life of duck and diving. Maybe I'm reading too much into it and/or being unduly kind to the scriptwriters. |
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Post by I used to think I was a parrot on Oct 16, 2016 16:11:41 GMT
I like the bit with Alf at the start (the cafe owner) where he is moaning about Arthur's dodgy blender pureeing the mashed potatoes. Arthur says that the fashionable way to eat mash - and he is right as lots of people puree their mash on cookery shows.
I think this is a great episode. And I can imagine Ray taking on Arthur's business. It would have been a great spin off show with Ray in charge; but sadly I don't think many people would have been interested.
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Post by pr1 on Nov 20, 2016 20:28:54 GMT
Fifty minutes of pure entertainment! Lots of wonderful moments and lines. Arthur and his magical filling cabinet is a series highlight. I particularly liked Arthur's line about the basic rules of English fair play, "Get your retaliation in first!"
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Post by alf on Jun 22, 2017 10:04:28 GMT
A few nice gags keep this one ticking over.Gerry Brooks known as Beechers because he's a terrible fence.
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Post by jason on Jun 29, 2017 16:57:18 GMT
One of the best Ray episodes in my opinion, love the way hapless really niggles Arthur with his bragging, and as already mentioned the filing cabinet scene is pure Daley gold!
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Post by leaveitoutjohn on Sept 14, 2017 9:01:10 GMT
The cafe in this episode was also used in The Sweeney episode Nightmare
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Post by rog73 on May 24, 2018 6:59:12 GMT
Unlike most others it seems, I didn’t find this one a standout episode.
Some decent lines and and interesting premise in Arthur retiring, but I just didn’t find it that gripping compared to some.
Great that Arthur helped Ray out and stitched up Beechers, but the ending was very abrupt I thought.
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Post by jno on May 25, 2018 1:46:00 GMT
Unlike most others it seems, I didn’t find this one a standout episode. Some decent lines and and interesting premise in Arthur retiring, but I just didn’t find it that gripping compared to some. Great that Arthur helped Ray out and stitched up Beechers, but the ending was very abrupt I thought. I think that's fair, this one is almost a pilot episode for Ray going it alone - while watching it though - certainly for me you just know Arthur will be back at some point in the story. Nevertheless, 'Bechers' (I have no idea why he's scripted with only a single 'e' in his nickname) is a very decent indecent character and certainly one to add to the 'why didn't he get used again' list. |
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Post by thewoodster on Jun 1, 2018 1:01:56 GMT
Just showed that Ray needed Arthur and Arthur needed to be in the game.
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Post by ned on May 15, 2019 23:39:30 GMT
I think this is one of the best of the Ray years but there's something that's always bothered me about this one.
If Bechers never liked Arthur, why is he bothering to fit Ray up? After all, it's no longer anything to do with Arthur now he's retired so what's the point?
At the time I didn't go much on series 9, feeling it was a step down on the 8th. But I've changed my mind: 9 is probably the best Ray series overall even though my two favourite episodes are in 8 and 10 (The Greatest Show in Willesden & Bring Me The Head of Arthur Daley).
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Post by leaveitoutjohn on Jun 12, 2020 17:17:45 GMT
Colin Farrell (Alf the cafe owner) was also tasty in Around the corner episode
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Post by coyote on Jun 18, 2020 1:09:34 GMT
Unlike most others it seems, I didn’t find this one a standout episode. Some decent lines and and interesting premise in Arthur retiring, but I just didn’t find it that gripping compared to some. Great that Arthur helped Ray out and stitched up Beechers, but the ending was very abrupt I thought. I think that's fair, this one is almost a pilot episode for Ray going it alone - while watching it though - certainly for me you just know Arthur will be back at some point in the story. Nevertheless, 'Bechers' (I have no idea why he's scripted with only a single 'e' in his nickname) is a very decent indecent character and certainly one to add to the 'why didn't he get used again' list. It's because that's how the fence in the Grand National that makes the joke is spelt, even though it's pronounced "Beach-ers". See its history on Wikipedia |
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Post by jno on Jun 18, 2020 2:34:29 GMT
I think that's fair, this one is almost a pilot episode for Ray going it alone - while watching it though - certainly for me you just know Arthur will be back at some point in the story. Nevertheless, 'Bechers' (I have no idea why he's scripted with only a single 'e' in his nickname) is a very decent indecent character and certainly one to add to the 'why didn't he get used again' list. It's because that's how the fence in the Grand National that makes the joke is spelt, even though it's pronounced "Beach-ers". See its history on WikipediaI'm glad you've cleared that one up logie. |
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Post by McCann on Jul 3, 2020 12:00:50 GMT
Always liked this one, so I will stretch to an excellent. I find it does kind of end quite suddenly though, all wrapped up in the last minute or two.
But it is well done, it offers a few pearls of wisdom that you could apply to your everyday life, and with the introduction of the computer it's a relevant discussion even today - 27 years on. Like how to approach retirement or change in work, and look them in the eye to tell if you can trust them in a deal. That's my excuse anyway, I'm not just indulging in my Minder boxset, I'm getting life tips from the man of experience as well.
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Post by ltd on May 12, 2021 17:32:51 GMT
If Bechers never liked Arthur, why is he bothering to fit Ray up? After all, it's no longer anything to do with Arthur now he's retired so what's the point? The stolen jewellery storyline seems shoehorned into the episode and it's almost like they ran out of the time at the end to conclude it properly. It comes across as a poundland version of Three Cons Make a Mountain. A shame really because the rest of the episode is a great exploration of Arthur's milieu and the assorted faces he knows. |
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Post by bigaitch on May 31, 2021 21:07:31 GMT
Really episode. Some great characters and some good Daleyisms ‘Contacts Ray, contacts..’ and Arthur giving advice to his student....
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Post by pr1 on Jul 12, 2021 0:06:40 GMT
I enjoy this one a great deal. I like that it’s made clear that Ray is inexperienced rather than incompetent. Arthur’s magical filing cabinet is a series highlight.
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Post by logie on Jul 22, 2021 9:44:49 GMT
If Bechers never liked Arthur, why is he bothering to fit Ray up? After all, it's no longer anything to do with Arthur now he's retired so what's the point? The stolen jewellery storyline seems shoehorned into the episode and it's almost like they ran out of the time at the end to conclude it properly. It comes across as a poundland version of Three Cons Make a Mountain. A shame really because the rest of the episode is a great exploration of Arthur's milieu and the assorted faces he knows. ‘Poundland version of Three Cons Make a Mountain’.  Excellently put, and two of my least favourite episodes of the Ray years. Why is it when anyone’s trying to get one over on Arthur (and/or Ray) their acting becomes like something out of a bad drama school? (“Come on now - try to sound just that bit more sincere”). Minder is full of good actors who can play borderline straight / openly dodgy characters with such ease, but really go to pieces when trying to portray dodgy characters coming across as straight? I just find these episodes too cringe, and can’t believe Arthur or Ray would fall for such obvious scams. |
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Post by Toecutter on Dec 28, 2021 19:37:31 GMT
The stolen jewellery storyline seems shoehorned into the episode and it's almost like they ran out of the time at the end to conclude it properly. It comes across as a poundland version of Three Cons Make a Mountain. A shame really because the rest of the episode is a great exploration of Arthur's milieu and the assorted faces he knows. ‘Poundland version of Three Cons Make a Mountain’. Excellently put, and two of my least favourite episodes of the Ray years. Why is it when anyone’s trying to get one over on Arthur (and/or Ray) their acting becomes like something out of a bad drama school? (“Come on now - try to sound just that bit more sincere”). Minder is full of good actors who can play borderline straight / openly dodgy characters with such ease, but really go to pieces when trying to portray dodgy characters coming across as straight? I just find these episodes too cringe, and can’t believe Arthur or Ray would fall for such obvious scams. Same here,two awful episodes for me and the regurgitating of old plots (and the merry widows chasing Arthur) is just lazy writing. Enjoyed Bert in this and a couple of good lines from Arthur. |
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Post by garyw on Sept 5, 2022 2:42:58 GMT
Wife and I watched this episode today and enjoyed it (again). We both got a kick out of the St. Trinian references. An obvious one was the "Flash Harry" named character in this episode. The other not-so-obvious one involves Liz Fraser. She played a flirtatious police woman in "Pure Hell of St. Trinian's" and in it, while mildly flirting with a police officer, she says "That would be improper" with an emphasis on "improper" (and she's referring to a crossword entry). In this episode she says essentially the same line with the same emphasis on "improper" while talking to Arthur. OK, this is a little thing but I enjoy an obvious reference to an earlier and shared film Ms. Fraser had with George Cole.
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Post by jno on Sept 6, 2022 3:38:44 GMT
Wife and I watched this episode today and enjoyed it (again). We both got a kick out of the St. Trinian references. An obvious one was the "Flash Harry" named character in this episode. The other not-so-obvious one involves Liz Fraser. She played a flirtatious police woman in "Pure Hell of St. Trinian's" and in it, while mildly flirting with a police officer, she says "That would be improper" with an emphasis on "improper" (and she's referring to a crossword entry). In this episode she says essentially the same line with the same emphasis on "improper" while talking to Arthur. OK, this is a little thing but I enjoy an obvious reference to an earlier and shared film Ms. Fraser had with George Cole. Great bit of info there garyw!  |
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Post by Terry on Sept 6, 2022 4:43:52 GMT
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Post by manta on Aug 4, 2023 8:50:41 GMT
There's a few good bits and pieces in this but as others have said, it's a long way from gripping and no laugh out loud at all. The dodgy filing cabinet was classic but not much else. For me it just plodded along, and by now they have shown they can do so much better - maybe a bit harsh but I'm afraid this gets an Average.
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