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Post by jno on Feb 17, 2015 16:20:25 GMT
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Post by emmo26 on Mar 24, 2015 8:56:51 GMT
One thing I didn't understand in this episode...., It was all right for Taff to get the so called "nod and a wink" for his police promotion when he joined up with the masons, but what gave him the right to put pressure and lay down the law on the other masons who were after Arthur's car lot.....
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Post by jno on Mar 24, 2015 14:37:08 GMT
One thing I didn't understand in this episode...., It was all right for Taff to get the so called "nod and a wink" for his police promotion when he joined up with the masons, but what gave him the right to put pressure and lay down the law on the other masons who were after Arthur's car lot.....
Well, I think that even within the secret dodgy fraternity community there still has to be some respect for the law of the land, or not?
"You're all bent" - Taff being an honest sort it seems wasn't going to stand back and let the privileged few rule the land with dodgy underhand dealings that would reflect back on the Masons I suppose, particularly as the deal was only about those three. That is how I read it.
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Post by wayne2467 on Nov 10, 2015 13:02:40 GMT
Bit disappointing for me this episode. Terry should have gone out with a better episode than this.
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Post by chopper on Feb 11, 2016 15:56:19 GMT
Yes-not the greatest finish to Terry's tenure. I still watch these ITV4 repeats - but not now,we're in Ray era again & I can't stand them!! I gave them a go,back in 91 - but hated them as much then as I do now! I'd rather watch Magnum!
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Post by jno on Feb 26, 2016 12:20:18 GMT
On pages 22 and 23 of the TV TIMES 4th - 10th February 1989, the week 'The Wrong Goodbye' was first broadcast. Page 22:Page 23:
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Post by Portland Road on Mar 23, 2016 8:07:40 GMT
It is striking how young he looks.
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Post by Terry on Mar 23, 2016 18:15:14 GMT
Good god, those clothes...
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Post by syrupapplesnpears on Dec 30, 2016 20:34:56 GMT
Hints of Arthur's retirement...probably a good one to finish. Love Terry's mime for 'two gross' and 'a monkey'. Poor old Mark Farmer getting stitched up by a cowardly Arthur, the dodgy bailiff...I'll miss those glimpses of old London and it's taken me a year to plough through the lot but it's been great and I'll go back to 'Gunfight at The OK Laundrette' sooner rather that later. "A pony, you slag!?!"
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Post by Wynn Chester on May 25, 2017 16:23:49 GMT
I've just come to the end of yet another very enjoyable Terry years trawl but next time, I'm going to swap Fiddler on the Hoof with this episode as the former has a much more befitting ending to Terry's reign as Arthur's Minder... now off to try (for the umpteenth time) to embrace the Ray years again with the same amount of enthusiasm...
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Post by gustav on Aug 11, 2017 22:26:07 GMT
Caught this on ITV4 today, haven't seen it for a while and I thought it was excellent. With added Iain Cuthbertson, Simon Cadell and Paul Eddington (I know he was supposed to be difficult in the filming but he comes over well in the show) I think it is a top episode. It's a good plot line and the whole thing is well done.
There is some excellent dialogue too like when Arthur says "To be an entrepreneur these days you've got to have wall to wall hi-tech, sloppy discs.." Then he tells the waiter in the posh club "I'll have the filleted mignon, off the bone." Great stuff.
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Post by Dazza on Dec 13, 2017 2:17:19 GMT
In the scene where taff over hears the conversation after the masonic meeting there is a bit of a blooper as one person had craft masonic regalia and the other chapter regalia. Although both are masonic you would not have both being worn at the same meeting..
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Post by thewoodster on Feb 9, 2018 9:44:22 GMT
I thought it showed us that there's corruption, even behind closed doors in the highest of establishments.
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Post by jno on Feb 10, 2018 6:11:06 GMT
I thought it showed us that there's corruption, even behind closed doors in the highest of establishments. It's an interesting point in this one - how far do freemasons go in order to support something that is clearly outside the law? Clearly Jones is incorruptible in this regard.
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Post by thewoodster on Feb 10, 2018 16:23:26 GMT
I think since early times the masons have been in positions to play the system to their advantage.
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Post by thewoodster on Mar 23, 2018 10:18:01 GMT
Numero uno...not..lol
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Post by pr1 on Sept 24, 2018 1:07:29 GMT
Watched this again tonight completing my second viewing of all the Terry episodes. Trying to decide if I should move on to the Ray episodes or start over again at the beginning. I didn't mind the Ray Daley episodes it's just that I prefer the ones with Terry.
As far as this episode goes I think it's good but not great by the standards of Minder. I know this wasn't the last episode Dennis Waterman made but I still think it's a shame Terry didn't get a proper send off from the show.
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Post by jno on Oct 12, 2018 3:46:57 GMT
Press photo:
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Post by Toecutter on Nov 7, 2018 9:54:37 GMT
Not the best way perhaps for Terry's departure,but never tire of this episode.Enjoy Simon Cadell as the slimy Bank Manager and watching it again on ITV4.laugh at the way he uses the age put down against both Arthur and Terry...When Terry wants to borrow 50k ,the reply 'Of course ,if you were an older man...' and to Arthur 'Of course, if you were a younger man...',
The scene where Rycott and Terry tell Justin to shut up where Terry gets hit by Mellish always makes me smile
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Post by denzel on Aug 11, 2019 10:02:12 GMT
As an episode of Minder, this one has a lot to offer. As a final episode of Minder, it indeed lives up to it's name. The wrong sort of goodbye, for not only Terry, but also for Jones, Rycott, Justin(e) and others. Still, for me, the positive outweighs the negative. Enjoy this one as much as any in series 7. - After doing well with Days Of Fines and Closures, David Yallop does a decent job with the plot and humour in this one, generally.
- Fair to say there were some great guest stars in this last Terry years episode. I'll mention more below.
- About the whole Freemasons thing; it's something I personally don't get, and don't think I want to, particularly. However, it in no way detracts from the enjoyment and general understanding of the plot. Three blokes use their positions of power to try and diddle our Daley out of his car lot and lockup. They could just as easily have been fellow entrepreneurs, or plain old gangsters. I suspect the writer made them who they were in order to have a way for Jones to cotton onto their scheme.
- The whole Daley dealing in dolls thing was funny. Liked how the Indian one sang it's nursery rhyme, and it's dodgy waddling later.
- Gotta say, Iain Cuthbertson was great as McKenna. He plays the villain in Supergran, but I know him best from here. At times I found him quite hilarious, and loved how he largely did his bailiff's job with a proud smile. I'd have loved to have seen him in other episodes..was too little too late though, at that point.
- Another good showing from Simon Cadell here..one wonders how long Arthur had his account with Pierce's bank.
- Melish's last showing as well, crashing the company car on account of crumpet.
- I found the moment where Arthur asks Dave for his usual, and a half for Terry and all, only to eventually notice that it's Tel behind the bar funny. I myself have just noticed that this is the second episode this series where Yallop has had Tel lumbered with the bar work.
- If this episode is the wrong sort of goodbye to Terry, it wasn't that bad of one for Arthur..even if he does come back for more series later. The Wheeler character was perfectly placed here, to spearhead the conning of Daley, and I felt Paul Eddington did a really fine job with this role, despite any agg he may have given production.
- When Arthur splashes out in the Winch...with readies, no less...Dave pours himself a glass. That's great.
- Arthur's comments wiping the smirk off of McKenna's boat race was humorous.
- I liked Tel's council cutie, Veronica, and the scene where he suggests a "planning meeting" of their own..whatever that would entail, precisely.
- Glad we got to see Royce Mills as Andrew one final time..his appearances to date were all in good episodes, helping him to become another good recurring character.
- After seven series, we get "Daley on the buses", with Arthur making "the supreme sacrifice", and being taken for Terry's father. This late on, even. Great, as usual, seeing Arthur so peeved about references to his aging, that he should give the driver a "How daaare you", which is always a well delivered line from George Cole.
- Justin(e) getting nicked down to Arthur was out of order, yet true to form. Liked Rycott's line, referring to him as "The Boy Wonder". Though the only wonder is whether or not Justin actually ever got out of the nick, this time.
- The last great scene in the Terry years is, not surprisingly, a comical one...the first part, with Billy from Leeds on the blower...classic stuff, and another great bit of comedy from George Cole, trying to appease Billy..however, I can't exactly say the same for when McKenna comes in. It's fair to say that the very last moment of Minder (for the Terry years) is extremely disappointing. Still, some of the best shows in TV history ended on such unmemorable terms - Star Trek's Original Series springs to mind - and yet it did their legacy and rewatchability on the whole no harm at all. The fact that Leon Griffiths, George Cole et al gave us 7 years of fun and laughs, means I can forgive the ending.
Bit disappointing for me this episode. Terry should have gone out with a better episode than this. Yes..I do wonder, as I do with many shows which end this low, if things might have been different had they known for sure that their star, in this case Dennis Waterman, would not be returning. I've just come to the end of yet another very enjoyable Terry years trawl but next time, I'm going to swap Fiddler on the Hoof with this episode as the former has a much more befitting ending to Terry's reign as Arthur's Minder. What, seeing Arthur's golden smile, at a beaten and bloodied Maltese's expense? Maybe. Then again, just about any other episode ending would have beaten what we got here, I reckon. Press photo: China dolls, eh? Or as Billy would have said... Japanese or summat! I have not heard of "China dolls", or Japan dolls for that matter ever before. I had thought this was a late cash-in on the Cabbage Patch Kids craze, based on their boat races. American dolls. Or at least, meant to be..Daley's consignment seemed to have arrived from several Asian countries, including India. Hints of Arthur's retirement...probably a good one to finish. Yes, as I said, this would have been better suited to Arthur as a final episode, than Terry. I'll miss those glimpses of old London and it's taken me a year to plough through the lot but it's been great and I'll go back to 'Gunfight at The OK Laundrette' sooner rather that later. Couldn't agree more. To me these Terry years are not only a reminder of the city I was born and raised in, but the era as well. I would do the same as you, starting right over from the pilot after each time I get done with the episodes..only time doesn't quite permit it..and besides, I love this show so much, I am not fussed about the episode order, and watch any episode I feel like, as and when I can fit them in. The Terry years are, if nothing else, timeless.
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Post by Twin2 on Dec 13, 2019 17:50:12 GMT
Watched this again on ITV4 this afternoon.
I enjoyed it as an "ordinary" episode but thought as the last Terry one it could have stood out more, a proper handover between Terry and Ray would have been perfect but hey ho.
I don't like the idea of the masons and find the whole thing very unnerving and just plain wrong but I'm glad their little scheme was stopped.
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Post by ontheslate on Dec 14, 2019 10:23:08 GMT
As others have said it’s a good episode but it’s not enough for Terrys last episode and at the time it was probably gonna be the last episode of Minder it should have been better
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Post by swainy on Dec 14, 2019 16:28:31 GMT
At the time they didn’t know that it would be the last episode featuring Dennis Waterman.
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Post by Twin2 on Dec 14, 2019 17:43:32 GMT
At the time they didn’t know that it would be the last episode featuring Dennis Waterman. As you may have guessed, I didn't know that in that case I'll stop moaning about it!
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Post by denzel on Dec 14, 2019 20:41:09 GMT
At the time they didn’t know that it would be the last episode featuring Dennis Waterman. As you may have guessed, I didn't know that in that case I'll stop moaning about it! I'd not have thought you were moaning at all, twin2.. It's still something we could have wished for, in hindsight..a handing over of the Minder torch scene.. having said that, though...they might have gone and had Ray beat Tel in a fight...to prove a point. so.. it's all good
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Post by jno on Mar 12, 2020 21:04:22 GMT
One from my own collection of goodies, in the press the same week as 'The Wrong Goodbye' was broadcast. 02/89 DAILY MAIL article on series 7 Minder conflicts
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Post by denzel on Mar 12, 2020 22:41:54 GMT
OK, that kind of bothers me now.. just which episode was that from, that picture of Tel and the bird, jno.
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Post by jno on Mar 13, 2020 5:10:54 GMT
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Post by denzel on Mar 13, 2020 9:18:42 GMT
ya, thought she looked familiar enough to have been from an episode. Recall it now..wasn't the scene screened from the other side though, mirrored...that's what threw me orf the scent, I thinks I had thought it was a different scene actually, but that scene turned out to be from another show. Thanks
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Post by chopper on May 14, 2020 20:56:37 GMT
I didn’t realise I hadn’t voted on this one. So remember watch8ng this - first time around in early 1989. It would be well over 2 years until it returned, with the Ray era... I gave it a go back in 1991, remember recording it on the video, as I was worried I’d miss some of it getting back late from rugby trainI Got! It didn’t stay recorded for long..... I tried a few more episodes of series 8, but it wasn’t meant to be for me....
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