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Post by barrythebook on Dec 30, 2019 15:40:43 GMT
"...you steer, i'll look out for sharks."
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Post by steve74 on Apr 26, 2020 17:44:22 GMT
Brilliant series 7 episode. Love the banter between Arthur and Terry here, especially during Arthur's demonstration of his security equipment. Maltese Tony is a great character and the fact that he went back to the hotel to get the money to repay Arthur was a nice touch. Seemed a bit out of character for Dave to give away Arthur's lock up location to two strangers, but we can forgive him anything after his Unchained Melody rendition. Great supporting cast, although Imogen's accent is a bit dodgy - but I can forgive her anything as well. 4.5 out of 5.
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Post by madaboutdeltics on May 13, 2020 10:57:09 GMT
Fantastic episode, I really enjoy series 7... I know DW says he left because it was becoming the George Cole comedy show... However I feel he has some fantastic lines too and his comedic timing is very good and he kind of acts as a straight man to GC. Loved the mention of Arthur selling Maltese Tony his first car which was a Vauxhall Cresta... I imagine it being the PA model which with its Americana styling would have been just the ticket for a spiv like Tony. classics.honestjohn.co.uk/reviews/vauxhall/veloxcresta-pa/Also noticed the location of the overbridge at Willesden Junction where Maltese did the money drop... A regular haunt of mine in my youth as a rail mad enthusiast being next door to British Rail Willesden depot.... You can even see an early BR AL class locomotive in the background... But perhaps too much detail... Pmsl Also great line up of British actors which is a feature of all of series 7
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Post by barrythebook on May 13, 2020 17:21:15 GMT
Also noticed the location of the overbridge at Willesden Junction where Maltese did the money drop... A regular haunt of mine in my youth as a rail mad enthusiast being next door to British Rail Willesden depot.... You can even see an early BR AL class locomotive in the background... But perhaps too much detail... Pmsl Not at all, you can never have too much detail, the more the better - great stuff
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Post by chopper on May 14, 2020 20:27:12 GMT
Also noticed the location of the overbridge at Willesden Junction where Maltese did the money drop... A regular haunt of mine in my youth as a rail mad enthusiast being next door to British Rail Willesden depot.... You can even see an early BR AL class locomotive in the background... But perhaps too much detail... Pmsl Not at all, you can never have too much detail, the more the better - great stuff Indeed - totally agree.
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Post by chopper on May 14, 2020 20:27:56 GMT
"...you steer, i'll look out for sharks." Another great scene, on that pedal boat.
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Post by nationalpelmet on Jul 2, 2020 18:40:22 GMT
Great episode, bit like “it’s a sorry lorry” with an earlier episode feel with a bit of location in soho. Maltese is a great character too. Wondered how much he had to pay for that car he’d spilt his claret all over. 😂 In fact, for a final series of a programme (albeit DW last one) it certainly doesn’t feel like it’s flagging. Good to go out on a series high.
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Post by chopper on Jul 3, 2020 19:17:16 GMT
I often think it would have been the best episode to end it on, and the still on Arthur’s face at the end, when he smiles as he tells Maltese that he’ll have to “buy it now” could have almost been a parting shot of an era, or potentially forever, which it is for me, as I don’t do the Ray era shows....
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Post by jjmolloy on Jul 3, 2020 19:55:19 GMT
I often think it would have been the best episode to end it on, and the still on Arthur’s face at the end, when he smiles as he tells Maltese that he’ll have to “buy it now” could have almost been a parting shot of an era, or potentially forever, which it is for me, as I don’t do the Ray era shows.... Regarding Ray, you're missing a lot of good stuff! But each to their own.
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Post by chopper on Jul 4, 2020 8:00:19 GMT
I often think it would have been the best episode to end it on, and the still on Arthur’s face at the end, when he smiles as he tells Maltese that he’ll have to “buy it now” could have almost been a parting shot of an era, or potentially forever, which it is for me, as I don’t do the Ray era shows.... Regarding Ray, you're missing a lot of good stuff! But each to their own. I tried them back in 1991, and have watched the odd repeat over the years, just can’t get into them.
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Post by heredia1 on Jul 31, 2020 18:02:52 GMT
I didnt think this was quite as strong as most of the others in series 7, the plot just didnt grab me for some reason. I could never take to the Ray Daley years either, though its been a long time since I tried and am very much looking forward to seeing them all now. I have gone thru the entire series 1-7 since early April so wont be stopping the binge now
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Post by chopper on Aug 28, 2020 19:43:44 GMT
On again today & I will never tire of it. Also, and as last few showings - far less, or even uncut now. Like many of series 7 - 5/5.
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Post by westminster on Aug 28, 2020 20:05:21 GMT
On again today & I will never tire of it. Also, and as last few showings - far less, or even uncut now. Like many of series 7 - 5/5. I watched it today as well and it is indeed a cracking episode. But, do you know, somehow the later series just don't grab me like the earlier ones. Stylistically, they're just too 'late 80s' for me. The suits, the square lines of Arthur's Jag, Terry looking paunchy in a pair of Hi-Tec trainers.
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Post by chopper on Aug 31, 2020 13:36:31 GMT
I know what you mean, they do have a very different look about them, those episodes.
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Post by jno on Sept 1, 2020 1:08:09 GMT
On again today & I will never tire of it. Also, and as last few showings - far less, or even uncut now. Like many of series 7 - 5/5. I watched it today as well and it is indeed a cracking episode. But, do you know, somehow the later series just don't grab me like the earlier ones. Stylistically, they're just too 'late 80s' for me. The suits, the square lines of Arthur's Jag, Terry looking paunchy in a pair of Hi-Tec trainers. Yep, but at the time ... boy was I glad Minder was on! Series 7 is my nearest and dearest as these were first time around, original broadcast, old enough to get it.
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Post by ramone on Sept 1, 2020 6:52:24 GMT
I didnt think this was quite as strong as most of the others in series 7, the plot just didnt grab me for some reason. I could never take to the Ray Daley years either, though its been a long time since I tried and am very much looking forward to seeing them all now. I have gone thru the entire series 1-7 since early April so wont be stopping the binge now Similar to yourself heredia I started watching again in April and thought I wouldn’t like the Ray Daley episodes, but was surprised how much I actually did enjoy them.
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Post by joshmel on Sept 25, 2020 0:19:08 GMT
Fantastic episode. So many good scenes in it. Funny when Dave the bar man breaks out in a rendition of the song unchained melody reminiscing over jimmy young.
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Post by joshmel on Sept 25, 2020 13:04:53 GMT
Fantastic episode, I really enjoy series 7... I know DW says he left because it was becoming the George Cole comedy show... However I feel he has some fantastic lines too and his comedic timing is very good and he kind of acts as a straight man to GC. Loved the mention of Arthur selling Maltese Tony his first car which was a Vauxhall Cresta... I imagine it being the PA model which with its Americana styling would have been just the ticket for a spiv like Tony. classics.honestjohn.co.uk/reviews/vauxhall/veloxcresta-pa/Also noticed the location of the overbridge at Willesden Junction where Maltese did the money drop... A regular haunt of mine in my youth as a rail mad enthusiast being next door to British Rail Willesden depot.... You can even see an early BR AL class locomotive in the background... But perhaps too much detail... Pmsl Also great line up of British actors which is a feature of all of series 7 I totally agree one of the seeds of success throughout the whole duration of the show is the quality of British actors. The mainstays and the guest actors. Just a conveyer belt of talent. I like looking at the evolution of the actors and actresses that appeared in the series usually they were at that middle to latter period of their careers It’s always interesting to see the roles they played before appearing in minder and what they did after. some of the roles were “oven ready” for the actors even before they were cast.. For instance you look at James booth and his comic turn and it fit like a glove.
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Post by Albert Wendell on Oct 1, 2020 3:05:04 GMT
I voted excellent for this episode as it’s a great watch from start to finish. I found Maltese Tony both interesting and charming I also liked Imogen too and found the dialogue between the two of them enjoyable. Don Henderson (as one would expect) played Billy Lynch well the part where he told Arthur he was a good judge of character was good as it showed Arthur using his patter and spiel to calm the aggressive Billy and not get himself hurt. This episode showed that series 7 was back on form as both myself and others have commented that series 6 was the weaker of the Terry years (but still good). This episode along with ‘It’s A Sorry Lorry Morrie’ are first class and just as good as anything from series 1-5 with a believable plot and strong characters. This must have the greatest number of repeat performances as seven of the cast have appeared in other Minder episodes. The large poster near the security office helped to date the filming of this stating dates in July 1988, in the shot with the cyclist it’s states it’s for London Festival 1988. Micks black Ford Capri RLW 44R also appeared in an episode of The Professionals from series 1 ‘Heroes’ note the incorrectly spaced number plate in both photos which gives the appearance of a digit missing, car is on the DVLA database untaxed since the 30th November 1990. In Minder In The Professionals Terry also drove a Capri with a similar reg in the Minder episode 'You Gotta Have Friends' RLW 17R
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Post by chopper on Oct 1, 2020 21:08:43 GMT
Totally agree,series 7 was brilliant. But that Capri didn’t last long after this filming then, and didn’t look in bad shape. 7 characters from this episode we’re in previous episodes! I can think of a few of them, but not all, and I think I have watched this episode more than any other!...
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Post by Albert Wendell on Oct 2, 2020 23:53:08 GMT
7 characters from this episode we’re in previous episodes! I can think of a few of them, but not all, and I think I have watched this episode more than any other!... Seven cast members i.e actors/actresses not characters, they are listed here (on minder.org Episode Guide): link
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Post by bigaitch on May 11, 2021 17:17:24 GMT
I love this episode. I think Michael Kitchen plays Tony really well to the point I find myself really despising him for being a total wrong un and he deserves his pounding. Don Henderson I always think shone in whatever he played and he plays this part really well. For me however the funniest part is when Terry mentions to Imogen about avoiding “Old Bill” who she mistakes as meaning Arthur. Laughed loud,y at that when first broadcast and have every tine since. I agree re Carole Ashby’s accent, however her asthmatics more than compensate.
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Post by ltd on Dec 12, 2021 10:41:54 GMT
I agree re Carole Ashby’s accent, however her asthmatics more than compensate. Her accent's terrible, but what with Imogen being so handy and er...physically striking, I reckon she might have made a better replacement Minder than nephew Ray.
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Post by chopper on Dec 13, 2021 19:58:41 GMT
I agree re Carole Ashby’s accent, however her asthmatics more than compensate. Her accent's terrible, but what with Imogen being so handy and er...physically striking, I reckon she might have made a better replacement Minder than nephew Ray. I think she was mainly on the programme for her legs!….
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Post by Barrel on Dec 13, 2021 23:54:55 GMT
Im currently watching Minder daily with a view to making it my mission to have seen every episode by the end of January 2022 which will be 41 years since I first saw this show. Despite watching it during its original run from primary school age up until its end in 1994 and college....the truth was I probably only caught at most 40% of the episodes and some not in full.
So you can imagine this binge viewing is turning out a real treat ...I'm not watching in chronological order, being at the mercy of ITV 4"s schedule, I just started watching all of series 4 and 5 ,skipped all of 6 ..and have just watched all of season 7.
Series 7 for me is the best season ,its the series I remember most keenly, having reached 14 when it was first on. Rewatching it seems it really had a strong late 1980s feel ...was really in the moment ....wheras I've found personally that 1980-82 Minder seemed still stuck in the 1970"s....theres a real feel to this series that everything is flowing brilliantly,the humour,the plots, the balance between old and new characters and this episode is like all the others first division.
A hallmark of the seventh series was the strong casting of established acting names queuing up to appear and Maltese Tony is perfectly cast with Michael Kitchen.You can imagine his kind of London Maltese spiv decades earlier back when the Maltese gangsters ruled Soho.His intro had me chuckling " Arthur you old bandit"!
Carol Ashby I gather was a glamour girl of the early 1970"s although her accent here as" Imogen" is mysterious...not anywhere I can pinpoint even 30 years on ..I must confess at the time i thought she was Norweigan or Danish.Now its clear to me she was probably trying to do some kind of Eastern European accent.Speaking of accents,Trevor Thomas's dialogue speaking in South London cockney of having seen Maltese on tv with " that ponce who sells used motors" raised a chuckle...I also had no idea he played "Stretch" in the first ever episode of Minder.Good contrast in roles.Bill Murray and Trevor Thomas"s hardman characters indeed look " very tasty" as Dave puts it, so it was a shock when Imogen gives them both a good hiding.
The twist at the end was another suprise...would you adam n eve it...turned out Maltese isnt such a wrong " un after all!
Like i say this seventh series was really flowing superbly...ironically just like the only fools series of that year which shifted to 50 minute episodes and was at its zenith...this 7th season just had that feel..its such a,shame it was only 6 episodes....Its a Sorry Lorry Morrie...is my favourite episode of the series and it had a,similar feel in parts to the fools episode with Arnie and the gold chains...if only there could've been another couple of Terry seasons with this late 80s feel...it was clear to me the show was back after a 3 and a half year hiatus better than ever... revitalised ...and it shoulda been a era that lasted a bit longer...series 7 does seem different to the other Terry ones.
A longer duration series 7 of say 13 episodes had rich potential for recurring characters and I was a huge fan of Justin...he was really hitting his stride in series 7....a shame we didnt see him after series 7.
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Post by barrythebook on Dec 14, 2021 19:23:43 GMT
Some good notes and points Barry and a good episode review. Great to hear that you're getting a daily/Daley fix of Minder
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Post by euston1971 on Mar 10, 2022 15:15:31 GMT
This script could have easily fitted in to the 'Ray Daley' era, as Terry was very much a secondary figure and Waterman was not looking his best in my opinion. Probably all the stress being married to Rula Lenska!
I only gave this a 3/5 and I felt this was just 'Minder' on auto pilot, despite a good supporting cast. Terry was increasingly a 'Go-Fer' as opposed to a 'Min-der'. In 'Re-minder', Waterman said that towards the end, they (Euston), were letting scripts in that would have normally been rejected (Similar to what happened in The Professionals). I wouldn't say 'Fiddler... was a bad script, but it isn't taking any risks. At all.
Some fans love Series 7, though it is a mixed bag. For my money, this was one too many for Waterman. Euston would have better off ending at Series 6 - as was intended (I remember reading Mark Lawson's obituary of the show in The Guardian) and then spinning Daley off into his own show instead of still using the 'Minder' brand.
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Post by jjmolloy on Mar 10, 2022 17:13:32 GMT
This script could have easily fitted in to the 'Ray Daley' era, as Terry was very much a secondary figure and Waterman was not looking his best in my opinion. Probably all the stress being married to Rula Lenska! I only gave this a 3/5 and I felt this was just 'Minder' on auto pilot, despite a good supporting cast. Terry was increasingly a 'Go-Fer' as opposed to a 'Min-der'. In 'Re-minder', Waterman said that towards the end, they (Euston), were letting scripts in that would have normally been rejected (Similar to what happened in The Professionals). I wouldn't say 'Fiddler... was a bad script, but it isn't taking any risks. At all. Some fans love Series 7, though it is a mixed bag. For my money, this was one too many for Waterman. Euston would have better off ending at Series 6 - as was intended (I remember reading Mark Lawson's obituary of the show in The Guardian) and then spinning Daley off into his own show instead of still using the 'Minder' brand. Yes, Tel is starting to 'fill out' by series 7 and starting to look like he needs a minder himself but the seventh series has some great episodes for me and it's great to see the changing face of the city from the rough and ready streetscapes of the early series.
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Post by chopper on Sept 20, 2022 19:38:51 GMT
This script could have easily fitted in to the 'Ray Daley' era, as Terry was very much a secondary figure and Waterman was not looking his best in my opinion. Probably all the stress being married to Rula Lenska! I only gave this a 3/5 and I felt this was just 'Minder' on auto pilot, despite a good supporting cast. Terry was increasingly a 'Go-Fer' as opposed to a 'Min-der'. In 'Re-minder', Waterman said that towards the end, they (Euston), were letting scripts in that would have normally been rejected (Similar to what happened in The Professionals). I wouldn't say 'Fiddler... was a bad script, but it isn't taking any risks. At all. Some fans love Series 7, though it is a mixed bag. For my money, this was one too many for Waterman. Euston would have better off ending at Series 6 - as was intended (I remember reading Mark Lawson's obituary of the show in The Guardian) and then spinning Daley off into his own show instead of still using the 'Minder' brand. Yes, Tel is starting to 'fill out' by series 7 and starting to look like he needs a minder himself but the seventh series has some great episodes for me and it's great to see the changing face of the city from the rough and ready streetscapes of the early series. Yes, first broadcast in 1989, I think - despite being filmed in 88. As you say - a completely different look about them .
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Post by jno on Sept 23, 2022 4:51:09 GMT
I'd argue that with the exception of 'Fatal Impression' the scripts in series 7 were probably better than those in series 6, certainly far funnier. I really like this episode.
What series 6 has going for it is the mid 80s vibe. Eps like 'Arthur is Dead', 'From Fulham With Love' are way worse than series 7 for me. Meic Povey told me in the final series the number of pink pages (script amendments) were way higher than usual as you can read elsewhere on the forum maybe due to unnecessary interference from the script editor.
If I were critical of series 7, apart from 'Fatal Impression' and 'Officer & Car Salesman' being weak I think it suffers from Terry not in a Capri, likely due to Dennis Waterman's driving ban.
Series 7 is right up there for me.
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