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Post by tricky2005 on Aug 20, 2006 18:21:07 GMT
Hi,
Was watching the final episode of season 6 "Waiting for Goddard" on Men & Motors last night with Arthur and Terry having various bust-ups and Terry walking away at the end.
Was Dennis Waterman originally planning to leave after this season thus the falling out between the two main characters?
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Post by arfurjag on Aug 20, 2006 19:08:11 GMT
Hi, I believe so.....There is a three year gap between series six and seven so it is quite likely that it was an end but surely they could never have had a final ending with Terry and Arthur on such bad terms? good episode though. Mark minder-jaguar.tripod.com
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Post by tricky2005 on Aug 20, 2006 19:16:43 GMT
Thanks Mark, didn't realise there was such a long gap between 6 and 7.
I agree it would have been a bad way to end it between them.
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Post by Zimbo on Aug 27, 2006 16:08:26 GMT
Agreed. The Minder on the Orient Express ending is the best finale, surely
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Post by thewsca on Jun 17, 2007 18:58:55 GMT
Minder on the Orient Express is classic. I love the part when Chisholm first sees Arthur and can't believe it. Absolutely superb!
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Post by Albert Wendell on Dec 17, 2005 18:58:54 GMT
Yes I know what you mean it is different to the others in Series 6 it shows Arthur as being quite sensitive and almost a bit stressed, like when he storms out of Albert's shed and he says to Terry 'alright so I'm a hard man but if you cut me do I not bleed'.
I would probably put it to be the best one in Series 6 I found 'Give Us This Day Arthur Daleys Bread' and 'Arthur's Dead Long Live Arthur' a little hard to believe at times.
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Post by jno on Feb 19, 2015 11:50:07 GMT
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Post by jno on Feb 22, 2015 8:44:28 GMT
This is indeed a very odd one. Arthur seems easily aggravated at Terry's not being there at the start and the fall out at the end is not always nice to watch. I genuinely think though, that as Terry leaves the lockup Arthur feels he has done a bit of wrong and to me it is clear he thinks Terry needs to be on the team and that he is a pal despite a falling out. I think Arthur really struggles to say sorry and this is evidentfrom this one. Link to episode on minder.org: www.minder.org/episodeguide/S06E06_WaitingForGoddard.htm
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Post by VAT on Mar 18, 2015 20:05:04 GMT
Yes, a strange-ish episode for sure. Arthur comes back to the flat expecting to find Albert there...only to find Terry birding it up on the sofa and Albert gone. I really think Arthur felt let down by Terry. I'm not sure if Arthur did anything wrong in this ep, just trying to ensure Albert got his rightful inheritance. And Terry just let him go off somewhere. I think that's why as jno says he found it hard to apologise to Terry. May be wrong though...
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Post by VAT on May 3, 2015 16:32:53 GMT
Just noticed from some hand written notes in the script pack - other actors 'pencilled in' for roles include - Joanna Lumley or Carol Royle as Caroline Selby and Michael Hordern as Goddard!
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Post by gustav on Sept 16, 2015 8:47:22 GMT
This is a good episode I think. Ronald Fraser is very good. But there is a lot of anger in it, mostly between Terry and Arthur but also, at one point, between Terry and Caroline.
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Post by mrschisholm on Nov 18, 2015 18:26:12 GMT
I love this episode. It is one of my favorites. Ronald Fraser and Kenneth Cope are both very good, and it gives plenty for Chisholm to do. I love his expression at the end when he finds Terry and Caroline on the sofa and goes all embarrassed, “yes…well…afternoon, all,”
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Post by bensonrad on Apr 21, 2016 15:51:07 GMT
This episode was an odd one, after such a humerous run of episodes, I found the coldness from Arthur to Terry in this one a bit harsh. From reading the above if he was going to leave the series, I can see why, but that would have been a nasty way to end things.
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Post by jno on May 7, 2016 16:17:31 GMT
The script:
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Post by pr1 on Aug 15, 2016 3:35:14 GMT
This is an odd one isn't it? Certainly not bad though. No episode of Minder featuring both Ronald Fraser and Kenneth Cope could be bad. It's the tone that makes it so unusual. Arthur being mad at Terry and Terry finally getting fed up with Arthur knocks things off balance. This isn't the temporary aggro from both characters toward each other we've seen before. It's obvious that this time there are genuine hard feelings between Arthur and Terry. Both George and Dennis are utterly convincing portraying this.
If this had been the absolute final appearance of Terry and Arthur the ending would have been memorable but for the wrong reason. For such a light hearted show to end on a sour and sad note would not be forgotten by viewers. It would not have been an appropriate ending though. Who would really want to see Minder end this way? Fortunately it's not the end of Minder or even the end of Terry's time on the show.
I'd be interested in knowing Leon Griffiths thoughts when he wrote it. Did he ever discuss this episode in an interview? Did he know this would be his final script for the show? Maybe he was using Terry and Arthur as surrogates for his feelings about moving on.
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Post by njaustin on Mar 9, 2017 22:47:07 GMT
Just watched it. Much darker and less knockabout than previous episodes. So pleased the Arthur/Terry combo continued, even for just one more season. This would have been a grim finale...
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Post by njaustin on Mar 10, 2017 17:39:48 GMT
One other point: at the very end Arthur seems to be properly contrite when he calls after Terry offering his share of the finder's fee. It's a poignant moment and hints at how much Arthur actually realises that he needs Terry.
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Post by Wynn Chester on May 17, 2017 7:15:59 GMT
I'm working my way through the Terry years yet again and I'm not a great lover of the darker overtones between Arthur and Terry in this one... but as an aside, does this episode have the most amount of actors making reappearances as different characters? Apart from the obvious recasting of Ronald Fraser and Kenneth Cope, Donald Douglas makes his second Minder appearance as Mr Prosser, after previously showing up as one of the wine tasters in "A Nice Little Wine" [S02 E07]...
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Post by jno on May 17, 2017 7:38:10 GMT
I'm working my way through the Terry years yet again and I'm not a great lover of the darker overtones between Arthur and Terry in this one... but as an aside, does this episode have the most amount of actors making reappearances as different characters? Apart from the obvious recasting of Ronald Fraser and Kenneth Cope, Donald Douglas makes his second Minder appearance as Mr Prosser, after previously showing up as one of the wine tasters in "A Nice Little Wine" [S02 E07]... Difficult one to answer as arguably 'Christmas Bonus' wins this award. There are indeed three repeaters in this one, but I believe series 7 is likely to win the award overall... It's A Sorry Lorry MorrieRoy Kinnear, James Marcus, Ronald Fraser and Garfield Morgan = 4 Days of Fines and ClosuresGeorge Baker, Johnny Shannon, Paul Gregory, Colin Prockter and Tony Selby = 5 Fiddler On The HoofLloyd McGuire, April Walker, Billy Murray, Trevor Thomas, John Tordoff, Peter Quince and David Simeon = 7!
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Post by Wynn Chester on May 17, 2017 9:25:00 GMT
Cheers jno... some of those are beedin' obvious, but in my defence, all three are still to come on my current playing rota... well, that's my excuse anyway
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Post by VAT on May 19, 2017 18:43:53 GMT
A strange episode this one as I've often commented. Arthur and Terry seem to be at each throats a bit throughout this one...for example when Arthur blows up inside Albert's flat after Albert predicts his star sign..and goes outside and lets Terry know he's not welcome back in...but still I maintain I'm not sure what Arthur did wrong in this one....he's bunked Albert up somewhere nice and comes back to find Albert gone and Terry on the sofa more interested with his latest conquest...but its not the first time we see a bitter falling out between them though of course....Monday Night Fever for example...but, and I have no evidence of this of course, I feel there were clearly strains between GC and DW during this series, perhaps due to pressures in DWs personal life at the time, ....I personally think its evident also in Give Us This Day Arthur Daleys Bread...
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Post by Zimbo on Jul 31, 2017 13:27:13 GMT
A good episode, slightly spoiled by the unpleasantness between Terry and Arthur. Best scene is where Chisholm is uninterested following Arthur's mugging. I also liked Arthur linking the Cartier watches to footballer Raich Cart(i)er. Scooter was a great character and the sight of him clearing off from Chisholm in a Harrod's van was a great touch. Mel Martin was a good guest star as Caroline. Her hairstyle aged her a bit, compared to her appearance in a Bergerac episode two years earlier. The ending was a sour way to end the series (as planned at the time) I'm sure viewers couldn't wait for the Christmas episode...
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Post by gustav on Aug 5, 2017 17:10:37 GMT
I like this episode but I wouldn't put it in the top rank.
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Post by I used to think I was a parrot on Sept 14, 2017 20:10:40 GMT
I agree that the arguments between Terry and Arthur ruin the episode a bit. Arthur is a bit horrible in this episode. But then again he was mugged at gunpoint and Terry ruined Arthur crooked attempt to make money off Goddard. Terry gets a good job offer again from someone who feels he is better than working for Arthur.
Also if Arthur owned the London properties he owns in Minder today, would he be rich?
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Post by jno on Sept 16, 2017 3:45:53 GMT
Also if Arthur owned the London properties he owns in Minder today, would he be rich? Most probably. Jones has an absolutely nothing part in this episode - a real shame as more than anything this needed the Chisholm/Jones banter to lighten it up a little. When I watch this one it's very much a Chisholm solo concert which is ok, but just needs that extra 'Jones wit' to play off against a little I feel.
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Post by thewoodster on Feb 25, 2018 21:58:13 GMT
I agree jno, Taff had no part in this and his part was missed as you stated. The Arthur and Terry constant bickering in this also isn't the usual episode banter..it was personal from both characters.
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Post by pr1 on May 14, 2018 2:22:36 GMT
There are several laugh out loud moments at the beginning but around the fifteen minute mark a dark cloud appears. It is not much fun watching Terry and Arthur genuinely angry at each other. Thankfully this wasn't the end. I stand by the comments I made after watching this the first time. It is not a bad episode but it isn't much fun watching the friendship of two likeable characters fall apart. Something that stood out on my second viewing is when Chisholm is asked if he knows someone named Arthur Daley. Cheerful Charlie Chisholm's head nearly explodes!
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Post by thewoodster on May 14, 2018 10:46:54 GMT
Well said pr1 Totally agree.
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Post by westldner on Dec 19, 2018 20:16:32 GMT
I can't help but notice the gun. Rarely much guns in the entire run of Minder considering the first episode featured a shotgun. For the time, I personally wanted to know how guns were seen around London. That looks like a very flash revolver. That chrome look that it has. The manufacturer must really wanted to sell guns onto the market and all the times I've seen guns from the years, they are mostly have a very bland material texture or a very wooden feed for that handle which makes it feel a bit country. The pistols from the 80s to mid 90s onward had more of a Matt Black finish to them. I'm still watching the episode since I'm watching it from the DVD at the moment as I make this post but I really wanted to jump on here to explain how I see that gun and how it fits in the world of Minder at that time. Of course, the scene, how it employs the dark humour in there for the rest of the scene from the start of this episode.
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Post by westldner on Dec 20, 2018 16:44:35 GMT
Oh another scene with a weapon. Minder did this alot. I could see what the speculation is about if this was meant to be the last episode of Minder. They thrown in what the first episode. I thought the entire episode does strike the balance of how serious Terry and Arthur could get while keeping the humour in there.
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