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Post by jno on Feb 17, 2015 15:26:11 GMT
Link to episode on minder.org: www.minder.org/episodeguide/S05E03_ANumberOfOldWivesTales.htm You can't help but like Patrick Mower as Confident Clive in this one. Arnie is on top form too as is DC Jones who has a few great lines of his own to share! Great stuff. A nice little piece from actor Jonathan Kydd about working with Gary Holton from the Gary Holton tribute site on this one: tinyurl.com/jvgb72o |
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Post by ltd on May 24, 2015 4:53:21 GMT
You can't help but like Patrick Mower as Confident Clive in this one. One of my favourite episodes and Mower is brilliant in it. He was born to play Confident Clive. |
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Post by Albert Wendell on Aug 28, 2015 19:47:09 GMT
I watched this the third of three episodes from my WH Smith video tape that I decided to view and review over three consecutive Fridays (see my Get Daley & A Well Fashioned Fit Up reviews for the other two).
When we first meet Clive he’s seems a friendly enough chap and the viewer is given the impression he is one of the good guys however it soon transpires that he may be hiding something, as the story unravels we discover he is a bigamist five times over. It’s an unusual topic to choose for a central plot but one that works well. Others have mentioned (on other posts) Jones’ great line to Angie perfectly delivered by Meic Povey and it always makes me laugh even though I know what he‘s going to say. You can’t help feeling sorry for Angie as her first husband was a gambling drunk and she then finds out her new husband is a bigamist. The scene between Arthur and Angie is very well acted on both parts and really captures the reality of two people who don’t know each other forced to make small talk in stressful and awkward circumstances.
For fans of Arnie this must be his best appearance. It’s great when he turns up in the recovery truck and instead of apologising or explaining he’s just keen to show Arthur what he’s bought. I must also make a mention of Roland he’s only in two short scenes but the idea of Arthur bunging a fleet manger to mess up a car so he can get it cheap is wonderful, that car park must have been used for fleet parking as it has various MKIV & MKV Cortinas plus two Sierras there so top marks to the location manger as these little things all go to add to the authenticity of the show.
From a filming point of view the scene in the car when Terry, Arthur and Clive are returning from the health club looks to be shot just as its getting dark there’s a very bright sun set they are driving into, I don’t recall many Minders being shot at this time of day (early evening) perhaps they were running late that day and had to work on.
The ‘B’ word is used frequently throughout this episode which is fairly unusual as the swearing was toned down after the second series. I can only imagine that the ITV4 repeats are heavily edited due to this (another reason to purchase the DVDs).
Its been discussed before that many actors who have appeared in Minder have reached the age of ninety and above Una Brandon -Jones who appeared as Old Lady lived until she was 93.
A small blooper is made in the order of the marriages Mary suggests she has been married to Clive for nine years (in the Winchester) and Jones tells Chisholm that Mavis has been married to Clive since 1977 however when the wives meet Mavis tells Mary shes been married to Clive longer than her.
Overall a neat idea for an episode with some laughs and lots to hold the viewers attention.
5/5
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Post by gustav on Aug 31, 2015 9:22:11 GMT
It's a brilliant episode all the way through.
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Post by Agnes Magnus on Sept 3, 2015 22:14:32 GMT
The usual curious editing on ITV4 the other week.
They cut out the "B" word when Kate Williams' character has a go at Clive in the Winchester and yet it stays in when Terry and one of the wives are discussing the legitimacy of the boy!
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Post by gustav on Sept 4, 2015 8:40:48 GMT
Yes its used twice in that later conversation I think. I think the main criteria for editing they have is time and they inconsistently apply vague notions of what is acceptable to make enough cuts.
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Post by Agnes Magnus on Sept 4, 2015 9:42:21 GMT
It would be sensible for the cuts to be made at the beginning or end of a scene because the ones halfway through stick out like sore thumbs i.e. "Clive Cosgrove you" (SNIP!) As you say, gustav, they're inconsistent to say the least.
Amongst the famous faces on show in this episode, it's good to see Sue Holderness, soon to be cast as Marlene, the often talked about wife of Boycie in OFAH and Gary Holton between the two Auf Pet series he appeared in.
Hilarious moments include Arnie's 1984 jacket, the punch he takes when caught lifting that rust-bucket of a car and both scenes featuring the Health Club chap on the search for 'new members' (great reaction from Cosgrove/Mower to rebuff him)
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Post by jno on Sept 4, 2015 11:38:06 GMT
Cuts - this is why we have DVDs. As far as I am concerned Minder on ITV4 is not Minder, just an shorter interpretation of it to grab viewers. Nice it's on, but not the way it was meant to be enjoyed in full, hence it ain't Minder to me.
Meanwhile back on the topic of the episode, the wedding of course takes place at Chiswick Town Hall on Heathfield Terrace, a location that features in all three genres of Minder.
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Post by gustav on Sept 4, 2015 14:45:29 GMT
You are right jno but I have to confess that it is repeats on various channels that gets me into watching old series again. The cuts and clumsy editing is infuriating but despite that I do enjoying seeing them again.
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Post by ltd on Sept 4, 2015 20:05:36 GMT
Amongst the famous faces on show in this episode, it's good to see Sue Holderness, soon to be cast as Marlene, the often talked about wife of Boycie in OFAH and Gary Holton between the two Auf Pet series he appeared in. Also interesting to see Michael Attwell in a small role as the ex who turns up at the wedding. He played Eddie in Turtle's Progress, so it's sort of a clash of the Minders when him and Terry get into it. Sadly inconclusive though. |
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Post by ltd on Jan 7, 2016 22:33:13 GMT
A few similarities to the Public Eye episode "The Man Who Didn't Eat Sweets" in this one.
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Post by Zimbo on Jun 24, 2016 15:30:18 GMT
Mower is great in this episode. One of the best of series 5.
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Post by pr1 on Jul 11, 2016 1:48:01 GMT
Patrick Mower is outstanding as Clive! Another in the long list of great, colorful characters that appear through out Minder. The episode is also a nice showcase for Arnie.
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Post by leaveitoutjohn on Jul 11, 2016 21:51:53 GMT
The swimming pool is the same one as used in the Sweeney episode also with Patrick Mower.Golden Fleece
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Post by gra966 on Jan 27, 2017 6:43:44 GMT
Another brilliant comedy episode , with both stories , the wedding fiasco & Arnie s car collection I'm surprised we got as far as season 5 before we got an episode featuring Patrick Mower Perhaps he was busy with other commitments or keeping a low profile after Target ! Arnie collecting the old wrecks with that wonderful MK1 Transit recovery truck was great , in the days before it was down to the DVLA & wheel clamping You could tell this was the mid 80s by the vast amount of MK3 Cortina s in the scrapyard - all fallen victim of the mighty tin worm Yes , I also noticed it was the same swimming pool used in The Sweeney episode Golden Fleece , also starring Patrick Mower Chisholm is appearing more frequently now & as sarcastic as ever , even calling Jones a " Welsh Cretin" in this one As well as Bread , Kenneth Waller also appeared in later seasons of Are You Being Served ? as Old Mr Grace |
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Post by jno on Jan 27, 2017 7:14:01 GMT
I'm surprised we got as far as season 5 before we got an episode featuring Patrick Mower
Perhaps he was busy with other commitments or keeping a low profile after Target ! According to his IMDb record, since Target Patrick Mower has also been in an episode of 'Bergerac', 'Tales of The Unexpected', 'Strangers' and the 1984 film 'California Cowboys' alongside Timothy Van Patten of 'The Master'. What I have wondered about is what he did between 1984 and 1997 - he seems to have been in the theatre a bit during this period. |
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Post by Zimbo on Jan 27, 2017 8:43:38 GMT
It always puzzles me about that gap. It's a very long time without any TV work for someone who'd been so prolific. That's made me think that we should start a thread on actors who just disappeared, such as Stanley Meadows who has no credits after his Minder appearance. He was only in his mid 50s very early to retire from acting.
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Post by Arch Stanton on Apr 19, 2017 7:21:44 GMT
What I have wondered about is what he did between 1984 and 1997 - he seems to have been in the theatre a bit during this period. I'd like to think that was just a month of panto and the rest of the time he spent driving around in a flash motor, being a total cad and picking up ladies.. |
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Post by swainy on Apr 19, 2017 8:20:30 GMT
I'm pretty sure that Patrick Mower also writes & directs (for stage) so that might be what he was up to during those years. As well as being a cad  |
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Post by Zimbo on May 17, 2017 22:42:03 GMT
It really is a superb episode. Patrick Mower, who seems to be a bit of a marmite man, is well cast as Confident Clive. Mower was to make one more appearance on TV before mysteriously disappearing from screens for 13 years. Ray Winstone gives another good comedy performance as Arnie, only appearing on the end credits this time. Chisholm was brilliantly bemused by Clive's antics and the scene of the wives chasing Clive at the end is good. Gary Holton becomes the third of four of the Auf Wiedersehen, Per to appear in Minder.
As ever, George and Dennis are on top form
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Post by pr1 on Mar 5, 2018 4:34:43 GMT
On second viewing this is just as good. Patrick Mower is great as Clive. It is also a fine showcase for Arnie and Chisholm and Terry and Arthur are well served too. An all around great episode.
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Post by thewoodster on Mar 8, 2018 9:18:47 GMT
This episode is one of the best from this series.
Patrick Mower was at his best as Clive.
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Post by westldner on Aug 2, 2018 19:16:23 GMT
Takes a while for the episode to pick up, no problem with that but I had to give it a few re-watches to fully understand what was going on. Still was a good episode. Got silly towards the end, I liked it.
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Post by jno on Aug 3, 2018 2:58:49 GMT
I think it is fair to say (which it sort of has on this thread) that Patrick Mower was born to play Clive. This was a top bit of casting.
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Post by pr1 on Aug 3, 2018 15:33:17 GMT
I think it is fair to say (which it sort of has on this thread) that Patrick Mower was born to play Clive. This was a top bit of casting. He does play arrogant, self-centered jerks remarkably well. |
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Post by ltd on Aug 4, 2018 18:15:05 GMT
I think it is fair to say (which it sort of has on this thread) that Patrick Mower was born to play Clive. This was a top bit of casting. He does play arrogant, self-centered jerks remarkably well. And serial shaggers.  |
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Post by gustav on Aug 9, 2018 11:39:28 GMT
Yes I was never keen on Patrick Mower but he is very well cast in this episode. I have never voted on this one but I would mark it as excellent, a very enjoyable episode.
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Post by busli on Sept 23, 2018 10:19:14 GMT
Jonathan Kydd appeared as a market trader in an episode of 'One Foot in the Grave'.
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Post by ace5150 on Oct 30, 2018 19:28:47 GMT
Watched today, not seen since it's first transmission.
Marlene Boyce, Wayne from AWP, Kate Williams from Love Thy Neighbour.
Brilliant episode.
Jones line of "has a habit of getting them up the duff" is so funny.
Out of the wives, Angie for me (got to say that as its Mrs Aces name)
All on fine form, Minder at its best.
Loved the newsagent in the background with Clive and Terry unloading the Capri, with the JPS signage. Never smoked, but the gold lettering on gloss black ALWAYS looked great.
10/10 from me.
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Post by leaveitoutjohn on Dec 16, 2018 3:28:33 GMT
Spotted a little blooper.In the scene in the Winchester where Chisholm shouts oy to Arnie and Terry,Arnie is wearing a white jumper but in the next scene where they are coming out of the police station he is wearing blue overalls
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