denzel
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Post by denzel on Aug 20, 2019 17:38:10 GMT
Another fine episode, not classic Terry years at it's best, but still a bit of a classic nonetheless. Will be remembered mostly for the song featured in it, but also for a few other things, at least for me: - Tony Hoare wrote this. He's done some great episodes throughout Minder's run, to be sure.
- Mike Holoway has one of those familiar boats. Off the top of my head, only other place I can recall seeing him was in a show called Pauline's Quirkes, as himself. He has that pop star look to him, so darn well cast in this episode.
- Ok, so the white whistle happened to have been years before Smooth Criminal/Moonwalker hit. But come on..."oooow"! Who else thought this might have been channeling/responding to Michael Jackson?
- Nice intro to Mellish, who does well here...and Tony Hoare seems to have contrived the naming of him for Rycott's line...this is not exactly the sort of investigation I relish, Mellish.
- Hilarious moment when Arthur hurts his hand, and yells, ooooh..to which Terry, perhaps not noticing, replies that the tune is catchy, innit.
- Liked how Arthur hides his face from the returning punter at the lot, and a great moment with Rycott, when Daley walks past him...and gets him wondering if it could possibly have been him.
- An oddity in this episode, with Arthur calling Sharon, "Share-on". Not sure if this is a legit pronunciation, or another of Daley's dodgy ones, but he does call the other Sharon the same, in Monday Night Fever.
- Nobody's perfect, and Hoare's writing in this is poor in parts..particularly, the girlfriend's explanation on how they took advantage of finding what seems to be an exact clone of Zac, not to mention how they thought they'd get away with it, i.e that the actual fellow wouldn't be identified as someone other than Zac..sorry, but simply not believable at all...though that is only an issue if you've actually thought about it.
- Great stuff with the "artistes" at the studio...love the first one, "Clarence", and his bizarre English diction..sounds like he's using more posh diction than that posh version of The Firm's Daley tune!
- Nothing wrong with Mel Smith's performance at all. Actually, I'd half expected to hear complaints about it, like how people didn't buy Rene from Allo Allo as a fat hard man. But Mel's menacing manner probably made the difference.
- And I'd have to say, a somewhat poor ending, to a somewhat different episode than usual..bizarre in places.
- Some people notice cars, but I tend to notice the geekier things; there's an Atari 2600 box sitting in Daley's lockup.
What does Gorn mean in the title? Yeah, I believe it's "gone", as said earlier. Arthur says gorn from time to time..one instance is in Poetic Justice Innit..it's gorn, it's all gorn! Alternatively: the Gorn is the creature Captain Kirk famously fought..but that's neither here nor there..
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Post by barrythebook on Oct 13, 2019 14:15:26 GMT
Just watching ep3 of 'Widows'. A girl is auditioning for a job in a strip joint and I'm sure that the track she's strutting her stuff to is Zack's big hit.
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logie
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Post by logie on Mar 13, 2020 8:30:41 GMT
Enjoyed this, better than I remembered. S4 started well, for me, with the first 2 episodes, but then plateaued out a bit until this one. Tony Hoare does seem to be the most consistent writer overall. I always forget just how good an actor Mel Smith was, until I watch him in something. Another strong performance here from him and a decent debut from Mellish (I elaborate on this in the Chisholm & Jones thread).
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Post by nationalpelmet on May 17, 2020 20:42:19 GMT
Poor old Arthur needs help to get off the low sofa at the record company office. Good job Terry is there again !!
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Post by steve74 on May 30, 2020 14:20:35 GMT
A nice little episode with a good turn by Mel Smith as Cyril Ash. It all revolves around a missing master tape that has come into Arthur's possession which could prove to be a nice little earner (until he ends up demagnetising it). Arthur has some great lines in this episode. I love his outrage when he thinks he has been lumbered with "500 copies of some unknown gurgling degenerate". I like Mel Smith's performance as Zac's manager and his business arrangement for Arthur "You give me the tape or I'll smash your kneecaps". - "Very reasonable, very reasonable indeed" haha love it. Just a quick mention for one of my favourite Rycott lines "This is not the sort of investigation I relish, Melish" - great delivery. 4 out of 5.
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Post by pr1 on Jun 29, 2020 4:08:56 GMT
I still like Arthur’s contempt for pop music until he thinks he can make money from it and I like all the name mangling he does in the episode.
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c79
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Post by c79 on Jul 28, 2020 15:12:29 GMT
When Arthur corrects Terry's "That's the difference between you and me.." to "..between you and I, Terence..", Arthur is grammatically wrong and Terry is correct. Maybe Tony Hoare threw in a little joke for the grammarians! (Taken me until now to spot it, mind!)
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Post by pr1 on Jul 28, 2020 16:19:24 GMT
When Arthur corrects Terry's "That's the difference between you and me.." to "..between you and I, Terence..", Arthur is grammatically wrong and Terry is correct. Maybe Tony Hoare threw in a little joke for the grammarians! (Taken me until now to spot it, mind!) I think it was an intentional joke because Arthur has previously been shown to mangle the English language and rules of basic grammar at times.
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Post by coyote on Jul 28, 2020 22:11:19 GMT
Enjoyed this more today than I have in the past, Mel Smith in particular was excellent. Nice debut from Mellish as well. In case anyone doesn't know, as well as being a comedian and actor, MS was also a very accomplished film director and noted bon viveur. Dropped dead at 60 but packed a lot of life into his years
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c79
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Post by c79 on Aug 12, 2020 11:38:05 GMT
When Arthur corrects Terry's "That's the difference between you and me.." to "..between you and I, Terence..", Arthur is grammatically wrong and Terry is correct. Maybe Tony Hoare threw in a little joke for the grammarians! (Taken me until now to spot it, mind!) I think it was an intentional joke because Arthur has previously been shown to mangle the English language and rules of basic grammar at times. Yes I think you're right pr1.
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Post by nickeccles on Sept 28, 2020 22:37:32 GMT
I love the ever so 80's 'Promo Video' of Zolar in the ubiquitous derelict warehouse donning a stupid hat & outrageous costume coupled with the usual video effects of that time! For me, another great episode with Mel Smith & the rest of em - it definitely transports me back to a more innocent time in my life! Minder was always & still is my favourite television program of all time While GC & DW are both true heroes of mine that I always enjoyed watching over the years! I've carried in my head so many of the one liners & used em to death! I still do to this day..............
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Post by joshmel on Oct 2, 2020 17:54:26 GMT
I recognised the street Mel smith drives down straight away. I stayed in a hotel called the pembrigde palace hotel a few years ago on the same street . Love that little pocket of London in Bayswater. Prince Edward pub to the top end.
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Post by arthurdaley on Dec 27, 2020 11:14:36 GMT
Is that George Cole's Winnebago?
Around the 16 minute mark, Arthur leaves the Barbers with Billy. When they cross the road to Arthur's Jag, the front end of a Winnebago can clearly be seen in the background(not the white camper van). I fancy it was used as Arthur's dressing room for the scenes both inside and outside of the B arbers.
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Post by daz on Jan 4, 2021 18:45:16 GMT
Watched this one today, very enjoyable.
Love Mel Smith in this, but overall the plot is a little weak to give it full marks.
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Post by bigaitch on Apr 9, 2021 21:21:33 GMT
I loved this episode. A great cast, decent storyline and some great one liners throughout. As well as those mentioned already the one that made me laugh was when Zacks grandmother told Rycott that he ‘Sounded like a policeman ‘ to which he responded, rather sheepishly ‘I am a policeman madam...’.
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denzel
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Post by denzel on Apr 10, 2021 20:02:03 GMT
A great cast, decent storyline and some great one liners throughout. As well as those mentioned already the one that made me laugh was when Zacks grandmother told Rycott that he ‘Sounded like a policeman ‘ to which he responded, rather sheepishly ‘I am a policeman madam...’. Haha, yeah mate, the grandmother was funny, on the whole..that line, and also how she insisted Zack was "without a blemish". A fine episode indeed.
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Post by simonlotion on Aug 10, 2021 22:37:26 GMT
Was Jerome Flynn (Soldier Soldier/Robson & Jerome) the look a like in the studio knocking on the window ...Demented Dave I think... He's very young and it's uncredited and not mentioned on IMDB or Google.
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Post by barrythebook on Aug 11, 2021 19:14:55 GMT
Was Jerome Flynn (Soldier Soldier/Robson & Jerome) the look a like in the studio knocking on the window ...Demented Dave I think... He's very young and it's uncredited and not mentioned on IMDB or Google. Now you mention it, I can see the similarity. What date is Flynns first mention on imdb si? Was he working as an actor at this time?
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Post by swainy on Aug 12, 2021 6:41:13 GMT
Was Jerome Flynn (Soldier Soldier/Robson & Jerome) the look a like in the studio knocking on the window ...Demented Dave I think... He's very young and it's uncredited and not mentioned on IMDB or Google. Now you mention it, I can see the similarity. What date is Flynns first mention on imdb si? Was he working as an actor at this time? I’ve not seen this episode in a while but I think it was Dorian Healy that played Demented Dave. He also appeared in ‘Guess Who's Coming To Pinner’ from series 8 and also appeared in the Shane Ritchie version. Yeah, that is Dorian Healy.
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Post by barrythebook on Aug 12, 2021 19:22:24 GMT
Think you could be right swainy.
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Post by coyote on Jan 21, 2022 15:23:51 GMT
Listening to the Minder podcasts with Zac Zolar's song as the intro music, I've been struck how much it reminds me of the Lenny Kravitz song 'Mama Said'. Anyone else think that? I guess it's extremely unlikely Lenny has ever seen 'Minder' but you never know
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Post by thewoodster on Jan 24, 2022 21:05:19 GMT
You never know.
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Post by ltd on Mar 19, 2022 11:21:17 GMT
Listening to the Minder podcasts with Zac Zolar's song as the intro music, I've been struck how much it reminds me of the Lenny Kravitz song 'Mama Said'. Anyone else think that? I always thought it sounded like a bad Dr Feelgood track, struck me as quite dated even back in 1984.
I'm guessing Tim Healey is overdubbed but with his own voice doing a cockney accent. I remember him in an Aussie set series where he plays an ex-pat Londoner, not entirely convincingly, and he sounded very similar in that - Boys From the Bush I think it was.
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Post by dabizzo on Apr 22, 2022 3:03:13 GMT
Proof indeed this was released as a single - love it. This was the B-side according to discogs.
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Post by jjmolloy on Apr 22, 2022 15:17:47 GMT
Proof indeed this was released as a single - love it. This was the B-side according to discogs.
That wasn't released... It escaped..
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Barrel
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Post by Barrel on Apr 26, 2022 20:53:03 GMT
A good episode...Mel Smith is convincing as a hard nosed cuthroat music industry manager.
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Post by ontheslate on Apr 27, 2022 15:33:31 GMT
A good episode...Mel Smith is convincing as a hard nosed cuthroat music industry manager. Mel Smith was actually a very good serious actor he was great as the hard nosed developer in Muck and Brass
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myinspiration
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Now dipping back in and watching any episode I fancy - in any order!! Naughty!
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Post by myinspiration on Jul 9, 2022 17:37:42 GMT
Mel Smith played a similar 'gangster' character in an episode of 'Hustle' on the BBC. For a comedian/comic actor he played a pretty good hard man type! He's really good, isn't he? He was more of a comedian than an actor, but the line is quite blurred. I was really surprised how natural he was as Cyril Ash. He had some great lines too! "It's simple. You give me the tape and you get to keep your kneecaps!"
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john
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Post by john on Apr 19, 2024 20:13:03 GMT
For me, this is one of the poorest episodes. The story revolves around a dead body in the opening scene, a body which is a doppelganger of the guest star Zac. If it wasn't Zac, and it obviously wasnt, who was it and how come nobody in the script cared? Makes the story fall down. Thereafter, I would say that the jovial Mel Smith is unconvincing as the heavy. Cole and Waterman though are as good and professional as ever.
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