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Post by thewoodster on Feb 22, 2018 10:03:31 GMT
The fight scene near the end,Terry and her husband. The 2 guys in the nightclub. Classic Terry years excellence.
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Post by rog73 on Aug 23, 2018 7:01:35 GMT
Not a bad one at all, but a complete change of pace. Not one of my favourites, but good to have some variation I guess. The lad playing Peter does a great job. Arthur came across as quite unpleasant in general here, and I’ve noticed it a few times in this series. Maybe it’s because I’ve just gone through to series 10 and started again? He’d mellowed a lot by then.
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Post by McCann on Aug 24, 2018 10:44:43 GMT
Average for me also. But no harm to have a bit of a break from the usual theme. Today, it would be seen as unacceptable for the mother to leave a 7 year old on a relative strangers doorstep in London. But in 1980, this was probably just about ok, under the circumstances, and she did a bit of research to find Terry and could track them from a distance.
The music at the end is ok, doesn't particularly bother me, but the set up of the large truck coming through on the street in the middle of the fight at the end is fairly staged. The truck driver stops, having nearly crushed the two lads fighting on the street, and then the driver just pulls off without more than a check in his mirror. Probably fine on a once off viewing, but I always find it looks a bit silly today on multiple viewings.
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Post by ace5150 on Aug 24, 2018 20:05:11 GMT
Watched today. Has its moments but the schmaltzy music at the end is a bit nauseating. A good fight made up for it. Always liked Dicken Ashworth as an actor. Anyone recognise Ray Burdis getting a slap? (Eckersley in Scum, now a respected screenwriter)
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Post by incapable on Aug 24, 2018 23:46:50 GMT
End montage music reminds me of You're My Waterloo by The Libertines for some reason.
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Post by jno on Aug 25, 2018 5:11:21 GMT
Watched today. Has its moments but the schmaltzy music at the end is a bit nauseating. A good fight made up for it. Always liked Dicken Ashworth as an actor. Anyone recognise Ray Burdis getting a slap? (Eckersley in Scum, now a respected screenwriter) Agree with all this ace5150. Another highlight of this one is Wally Waller's "Can't Walk On The Water", a gritty blues rock type number at the disco: bit.ly/2NmrkWw
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Post by barrythebook on Aug 27, 2018 18:46:13 GMT
The set up of the large truck coming through on the street in the middle of the fight at the end is fairly staged. The truck driver stops, having nearly crushed the two lads fighting on the street, and then the driver just pulls off without more than a check in his mirror. Probably fine on a once off viewing, but I always find it looks a bit silly today on multiple viewings. Agreed, surely the driver should have made an appearance. It's very,very unlikely that a truck of that size would ever have made its way down that road in any case. It's no more than a residential backstreet which trucks like that would have no need whatsoever to use.
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Post by jno on Aug 28, 2018 7:40:49 GMT
It's unusual Peter or Beryl are never mentioned again in any episode. Welcome to the Minder 'bubble' as Gary Webster once said - each episode pretty much independent of any other. The only real connection is Debbie, Des and similar scriptwriters and characters popping up now and again. In this case though, I agree - you'd think a mention from Terry to Arthur along the lines of something like "Heard from Beryl the other day, Peter's doing well" would have been a little nod further down the line.
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Post by johnnybear on Oct 3, 2018 14:46:55 GMT
Dicken Ashworth seemed like a pretty formidable opponent but our Tel took care of him promptly enough! I saw the Doctor Who film, Daleks:Invasion Earth:2150AD a few years back and noticed old dicken as one of the men trying to escape from the Dalek saucer in London! Strange how they start off as extras and then end up as Gunn-Sar in an episode of Blakes 7 in 1981 isn't it! JB
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Post by thewoodster on Oct 15, 2018 9:23:11 GMT
A unusually different path of episode for the Terry years. But still well worth a watch..anytime.
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Post by pete on Jan 29, 2019 20:57:25 GMT
Dicken Ashworth played a character called Alan Partridge in the early days of Brookside. Steve Coogan said it was where he got the name for his famous alter ego.
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Post by Twin2 on Oct 29, 2019 22:06:10 GMT
Warren O'Neill was brilliant, such a cute little chap too. I wonder what he is doing now?
I felt sorry for Terry when he found out that Peter definitely wasn't his son. He seemed disappointed, albeit fleetingly. Thought Beryl was "a right cah" for telling him that he was his son when she knew 100% he wasn't.
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Post by barrythebook on Oct 29, 2019 22:35:18 GMT
Warren O'Neill was brilliant, such a cute little chap too. I wonder what he is doing now? jno has done some research in the past iirc and I think I'm right in saying that Warren O'Neil did very little acting but stayed in the TV/film industry as an animator or designer.
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Post by jno on Nov 19, 2019 7:13:19 GMT
Press photo (as shown in the article on previous page of the thread):
Nice montage of adverts from the original transmission.
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Post by barrythebook on Nov 20, 2019 9:13:01 GMT
...and only 3 or 4 adverts at a time which is plenty. Nowadays ad breaks seem to go on and on.
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Post by logie on Jan 2, 2020 9:35:09 GMT
Caught up with this one a few nights ago. Surprised by how much i enjoyed it; on previous viewings years ago I would have had this as the weakest in S2, but must be mellowing with age. Despite the dodginess of the storyline of leaving a young lad with a bloke she'd had a several-night-fling with a decade previously, certainly a subject matter you'd never get away with now.
For Only Fools & Horses afficionados, this reminded me of the episode 'Diamonds are for Heather' the 1982 Christmas special. That was an episode i regarded as the weakest, certainly of the earlier era before OFAH got stretched toward its end, but i re-watched that about a year ago and saw it in a whole new light. Although certainly one of the weakest in terms of pure comedy & one-liners I actually thought David Jason's performance was one of his best as he showed a whole new side to DelBoy, one that i couldn't appreciate in my younger days. Like i say, mellowing with age, but i thought this was an equivalent showing by Dennis Waterman - I was filling up at the end (although I also would have left off the musical montage - that was pushing it a wee bit).
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Post by barrythebook on Jan 2, 2020 20:37:59 GMT
leaving a young lad with a bloke she'd had a several-night-fling with a decade previously, certainly a subject matter you'd never get away with now. Agreed.....could easily of been the last time she ever saw her son.
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Post by Shot By Both Sides on Jan 3, 2020 6:15:00 GMT
As someone who was raised in council 'care' age 12 to 16 and a kid used to being pushed around from place to place and seeing a lot of 'uncles' this episode is one that has resonance.
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Post by Shot By Both Sides on Jan 3, 2020 6:17:48 GMT
Nowadays ad breaks seem to go on and on. A tv show just the other day went to an ad break just five minutes in. The ads lasted six minutes! When the show came back on, it was only nine minutes before it was off again for another five minutes of ads!
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Post by VAT on Jan 3, 2020 17:23:21 GMT
Nowadays ad breaks seem to go on and on. A tv show just the other day went to an ad break just five minutes in. The ads lasted six minutes! When the show came back on, it was only nine minutes before it was off again for another five minutes of ads! DVDS mate, the only watch Minder
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Post by pr1 on Jan 21, 2020 6:40:06 GMT
'Water damaged umbrellas'. Priceless!
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Post by scotchharry7 on Mar 9, 2020 10:08:26 GMT
Just watched this on ITV4 not a bad episode. I think the child protection services would be all over the mother. Totally crazy that she she just dumps the boy on Terry, admittedly she kept an eye from the corner but then she’s off. She knew him for for a few nights, nine years ago. Worse than that she’s trying to fit up Terry into believing the boy is his.
Disco scene was interesting, Arthur looked up for a bit of aggro himself after getting a pint spilt on him. The fight scene in the disco 14 minutes in, two absolute horrors were given a quick hiding from Tel deservedly after trying to pick a fight with the wee kid after bumping into him. Two grown men against a wee 7 year old, Jesus wept. Terry was brand new with the kid taking him on boat trips down the Thames, you could tell he would have been a good dad to him.
The long suffering penny makes her last appearance, she calls Terry “hello Beryll” she’s like what then he’s giving it, “who’s this, oh sorry I thought you were some other bird, oh and by the way I’ve got a kid living here now. I’m suprised she didn’t just jump a plane the hell out of Terrys life then and there. No wonder we never saw her again.
Even the cops didn’t seem interested, when Terry tried to get help, it was crazy back then. I was about the age of the kid back then, it seems like we were left to just wander the streets. Ah the freedom, what a time. We just looked after ourselves back then. Now I wouldn’t let my 7 year old out my sight.
I liked the final confrontation, the way the guy leapt at Terry than smashed his face into the railings before nearly throwing under a truck. The guy was a bear too.
Poor Terry was crushed at the end I thought he was going to cry when he asked why tell he’s mine when he’s not. I’m sorry she says. He’s covered in bruises and she’s messed with his head and the bold Terry is trying to sort her out with a flat n stuff. I don’t think she deserved it. She’s lucky he never gave her it a bit tight at the end. But he’s a good lad.
Sentimental ending really emphasises how Terry felt about the kid.
An alternative storyline with the kid being left with Arthur, man he would have had him up chimneys and god knows what else. Arthur definitely had no time for the boy.
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Post by harryshand on Jun 10, 2020 14:45:06 GMT
Middle one of todays three and what a great episode. Nice to see Terry take centre stage and show another side of his character. Warren O'Neill's turn as Peter is very good as well.
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Post by aidan23 on Aug 17, 2020 13:08:47 GMT
The launderette in this episode is on the corner of Elgin Avenue and Shirland Road, W9. It’s still there and looks much the same
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Post by jjmolloy on Aug 17, 2020 13:28:19 GMT
The launderette in this episode is on the corner of Elgin Avenue and Shirland Road, W9. It’s still there and looks much the same Yes, I used it myself back in the 80s and 90s. Good to hear it's still there.
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Post by c79 on Nov 13, 2020 17:14:03 GMT
In 1980 this felt like a boring episode; I must getting soft in my late fifties, I now think it's really touching. Fabulous emotional acting from DW. Would have had even more impact so if they'd cut the slow motion schmaltz, and when Terry says "I think I'd like that too.." - pause two seconds on Terry reflecting, then cue end credits...
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Post by joshmel on Nov 13, 2020 17:14:23 GMT
Thought I was watching an episode of coronation street with the northern accents and storyline. Not the strongest episode the funniest line came when Arthur and Terry are discussing the water damaged umbrellas.
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Post by westminster on Nov 13, 2020 21:22:06 GMT
In 1980 this felt like a boring episode; I must getting soft in my late fifties, I now think it's really touching. Fabulous emotional acting from DW. Would have had even more impact so if they'd cut the slow motion schmaltz, and when Terry says "I think I'd like that too.." - pause two seconds on Terry reflecting, then cue end credits... Good post, I agree. Good acting from Dennis Waterman and Terry comes out well from this episode. Arthur, on the other hand, does not. Either way, it's a much better episode viewed from the perspective of middle age, this one.
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Post by coyote on Nov 18, 2020 21:45:26 GMT
One I remember pretty well from my childhood, although I think it must have been a repeat as I was only 8 when it was first broadcast. And tbh my memory of it is a fond one, probably because I'd have liked to have spent a few days with Terry. But sadly I didn't enjoy it that much this time around, it's very slow and obviously nothing like other episodes. There are some good bits like the slapping in the club and the punchup at the end but I hate the way Beryl makes a mug out of Terry and he stands for it, just like with Arthur (who, as others have said, doesn't come out well here). I also diskliked all the northern accents, reminds me too much of my own childhood in some sh1tty northern town . And as for the musical montage at the end, well I'm sorry but
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Post by wayne2467 on Nov 29, 2020 11:50:51 GMT
Did the lad Peter appear in anything else or have an acting career?
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